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Thanks motardman. Mine is only a 1 litre but it goes perfectly well, and yes the brakes are really terrible on mine too! I'll be trying to do something about that, try a good brake service with new fluid and braided lines and take it from there. Thanks for your interest! The lack of servo makes the brakes quite alarming against even anything else of the era. You can use a bulkhead cut from a 2F polo to add a servo. I can't remember if I did that or not when I did a 1.3GT 2F drivetrain and harness swap into a 2. Can't find any pics of doing it sadly. That's good to know, I'll certainly look into that option. Thanks
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1989 Mini MG 1275 ~ 1987 VW Polo ~ 1989 Citroen 2CV ~ 1998 VW T4 ~ 2006 Volvo XC70
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Mar 28, 2024 21:22:35 GMT
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Apologies for the potato quality video, but SHE'S ALIIIIIVE!!! This was the first start in over 7 years. Runs nicely, I've got to go steady for a bit while the new pistons bed in, but thrilled to get it running and be able to move it under it's own steam. After initial start up I got a mate who is better with the mechanical side of things to double check my timing settings etc, all was tickety boo. Around this time it was time to move house (yes again). Managed to get some pictures of it on the transporter. Tucked up in the new and current garage. The first job in the new garage was to fine tune my home brewed door latch set up. This is my solution to lock and unlock the door, made to match the aesthetic of the door opening handle. Unlocked ...and locked I drilled markers into the lock cover to indicate position, it made sense to me at the time that red meant locked, I'd appreciate opinions on that, I don't think it makes sense, looking back on it. Maybe a locked and unlocked decal would be better. Next up I had to fix a bugbear of mine, the front number plate. They're usually just screwed to the font of the bonnet which I think looks cr@p. I bent my new pressed plate so it fitted snugly to the profile of the bonnet plate plinth, then trimmed it to the same shape and stuck it on with 3M tape. Yes I'm wearing Crocs. I'm not even sorry. Next challenge was to make a solution for the front door check strap. On normal non suicide door type 2CVs, the door hinges double as a stop, they're shaped so they hit the A pillar when the door is fully open, restricting further travel. Considering I had hinged the front doors on the B pillar using flipped over rear door hinges, it made sense to use the same type of rubber check strap used on the rear doors. The only problem being that the rear doors were already using the ideal check strap location. When I rejigged the front doors I predicted the check strap issue and so welded on some spare rear door check strap brackets in the same position as the rear doors, without really thinking any more forward than that. This meant I had to figure out a way of attaching both check straps to the same mount point. I know it sounds simple enough but without any extra hardware it compromised one or both of the straps so I made these brackets. These allowed both straps and the seatbelt holder loop THINGY to all be mounted in the same location without restricting anything. It works great, I think. That's all for now, thanks for reading! Pete
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1989 Mini MG 1275 ~ 1987 VW Polo ~ 1989 Citroen 2CV ~ 1998 VW T4 ~ 2006 Volvo XC70
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Mar 28, 2024 20:30:45 GMT
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Thanks motardman. Mine is only a 1 litre but it goes perfectly well, and yes the brakes are really terrible on mine too! I'll be trying to do something about that, try a good brake service with new fluid and braided lines and take it from there. Thanks for your interest!
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1989 Mini MG 1275 ~ 1987 VW Polo ~ 1989 Citroen 2CV ~ 1998 VW T4 ~ 2006 Volvo XC70
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Mar 28, 2024 13:37:07 GMT
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great job, do you have any engine plans? Thank you! I like the simplicity of these little engines so it'll be left standard, albeit with new belts and waterpump etc. It feels plenty fast enough for what it is, it's a light little car.
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1989 Mini MG 1275 ~ 1987 VW Polo ~ 1989 Citroen 2CV ~ 1998 VW T4 ~ 2006 Volvo XC70
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Mar 27, 2024 21:06:30 GMT
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Thanks for the replies chaps, I have found half an hr to get another update in. The next step was the rear valance and back of the rear arch area. This is what I was faced with I started cutting the rear corner out It's an awkward little area with a few panels intersecting and no access from above as the boot floor covers it. It's probably hard to make out what's going on in the photos but there are three little repair sections made and welded in here. Next up, the rear valance that goes around the tow eye. You can't get original looking panels for this bit, a rear valance panel is available but it's a one piece rather than the original two piece with a seam, which is pointless and looks rubbish so I made my own. Started with a nice bit of pitch pine to use as a buck to form the new panel over. Smacked it about a bit and it started looking something like something. I then made up the other part too. Old and new. Cut out all the rust and cleaned up the inner. The inner was rusty, it was mechanically cleaned up then given a few goings over with Jenolite rust remover (phosphoric acid) then sealed. It's not perfect but a skim of filler and it'll be grand. I also replaced a bit of the lower valance but this is the only picture that exists. I then made a new lip for the arch. I don't know why I havent removed the seatbelt reel yet. I was then excited to get the rear quarter welded back on but it's never that simple. I dug it out and was reminded that it needs work too before I can think about welding it back in. Mainly around the fuel flap area which was rusted out. I decided to try and make a panel to replace the whole recess and though I only ended up using a part of it, it was a fun exersise. Made a panel former to go in the bench press ...and mashed a bit of steel into it It sort of worked, with a lot of distortion around the edges. I used about half of it, the hinge mount area was fine on the original panel so I kept that bit. I still need to cut the hole. That's me up to date with this now, it'll be a couple of weeks til I get much more done due to the upcoming chocolate egg eating festival and agreeing to do some work for a client this Saturday. Thank you for reading
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1989 Mini MG 1275 ~ 1987 VW Polo ~ 1989 Citroen 2CV ~ 1998 VW T4 ~ 2006 Volvo XC70
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Mar 27, 2024 20:02:55 GMT
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Well I can't really add any more than what has already been said but this thread is flipping great! I've read the whole thing over the past couple of days. Great metalwork skills and interesting to see how you have got better and more fussy as the project has progressed. It reminds me of my polo project, same colour and era of VW, though I think yours is more rusty than mine. I mean it was more rusty!
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1989 Mini MG 1275 ~ 1987 VW Polo ~ 1989 Citroen 2CV ~ 1998 VW T4 ~ 2006 Volvo XC70
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Mar 25, 2024 22:01:55 GMT
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Cheers for the encouragement chaps, very kind and... encouraging! I started with the broken check strap bracket, just because it was offending me. It had torn away from the inner A pillar, quite surprising really, but an easy fix. I cut out the torn metal Welded in a new bit Straightened up and removed the pigeon sh*t welds from the bracket ...and welded it in position. I then repaired the outer skin section that I had removed and welded that back in. Then I moved onto the sill, which had a small hole on the inner section and floor pan. Next up, the bad bit at the back of the sill. This area seems needlessly complicated and a lot of it was simply rusted away. It wasn't too clear how it should be, so a bit of this is made up as I go along. Started by cutting out this mid sill section to reveal a strengthening gusset thing inside the cavity. I assume this is to strengthen the jacking point part of the sill. I cut that out to reveal more rust and filler stuffed through a hole from the inner side. This is the outer and the view from below showing some elegant previous repairs. Cutting all the rust away left me with this. Thankfully the structural mounting point was still very solid, which saved having to remove the rear beam. New section made and welded in The next part that had to be repaired was the seat base corner. To access that properly, meant removing the inner arch closing panel. Made up a little section to repair the seat base With that area solid, I could then make up and fit a new gusset/closing panel. Next up, this mid sill section. Next was the inner arch section. Now I made a total of this, I ran out of 0.8 steel and so used some 1mm which was far too thick to make a panel like this, I struggled getting the shape I wanted and I ended up having to make a few cuts and letting some fillets in. Cuts and fillets are terms used in butchery with is quite apt. It works fine though, and to continue on a butchery theme is quite beefy, but isn't pretty! Next up was the seatbelt mount area And then to close it all off again, the inner closing panel needed repair and refitting. Repair templates made Transferred to steel Tacked together Seam welded and dressed I then realised I should repair the fuel filler hole and the fuel tank breather tube whilst the closing panel was off, as access would be much better. For some mad reason, VW decided to route the plastic breather tube that goes from the tank to the fuel tank filler neck through a steel tube fixed to the inside of the rear quarter which has no drain point and is pretty much always rotten. I considered re-routing it inside the car or something but I like a challenge so I redesigned it keeping it in the original location. First step was to make a flange to sit on the inside of the inner arch to accept the new tube, and leaving space for a grommet to seal the plastic pipe where it enters the tube. The flange also has a drain hole at the bottom so any water that enters won't get as far as the tube. I then made a new tube from corrugated stainless exhaust pipe left over from fitting a diesel heater in my T4. This is where the grommet seals the hole from the inner arch side. Nobody will ever see this as it's inside the rear quarter so it's all a bit silly, but hey ho... Next repair was the fuel filler hole. I'll cut out the actual hole when I refit the quarter, to guarantee they line up properly. With that done, it was time to return to the closing panel and get that welded up. This area is now looking solid again. The next area to get my attention will be the rear of the rear arch, and rear valance corner. Til next time! Cheers
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1989 Mini MG 1275 ~ 1987 VW Polo ~ 1989 Citroen 2CV ~ 1998 VW T4 ~ 2006 Volvo XC70
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Mar 25, 2024 20:20:37 GMT
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Lovely work, John. It's very interesting seeing how you make these panels, especially with it being aluminium, which is an alien material to me. Keep it up!
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1989 Mini MG 1275 ~ 1987 VW Polo ~ 1989 Citroen 2CV ~ 1998 VW T4 ~ 2006 Volvo XC70
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Mar 25, 2024 20:13:42 GMT
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Wow, this is fantastic stuff. Respect to you for keeping up enthusiasm and focus on the build for so long.
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1989 Mini MG 1275 ~ 1987 VW Polo ~ 1989 Citroen 2CV ~ 1998 VW T4 ~ 2006 Volvo XC70
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Mar 22, 2024 20:30:49 GMT
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I thought I should probably start a thread for my accidental project, an '87 Polo breadvan. This car came about due to the old dilemma of affordable modern cars being unreliable over-complicated sh*te, and new cars being completely unaffordable and frankly very uncool 95% of the time. I was at a hillclimb and Mrs Panelbeaterpeter saw a polo breadvan and said "that's cool". I hatched a plan to find a Mk2 Polo to use for the school run and take a bit of strain off our T4 which is too nice to use as a daily. A few weeks later I saw one that was only an hours drive south, in Berwick upon Tweed. It was £750, and it had an MOT! I arranged to go and look and with an envelope of cash in the glovebox we drove down in the T4 with the kids in the back, as a storm came in and it started getting dark. Not ideal car buying conditions. When we got there it was p*ssing it down and dark. I had a quick look around the car, started it and it seemed fine. Impatient to get out of the rain I gave the guy the cash, got the keys and signed the docs, jumped in and headed to Asda for petrol. Obligatory fuel stop photo We then headed to the harbour at St Abbs to spend the night in the T4 before driving home the next morning. Apart from a horrendous banging at much over 30mph and a petrol smell in the cab, it seemed good. Who wants to play spot the Polo The next morning was the first time I'd seen it in the daylight and it was a fair bit rougher than I had hoped, sporting a TERRIBLE DIY respray and plenty of signs of filler and overspray over everything. Oh dear. The drive home was interesting, the knocking noise (pretty sure it's a failed driveshaft/CV joint) is very bad at anything over 30 which made the hours drive home quite nerve wracking. It made it home, and other than the noise it drove really nicely and is a fun little car. Once home, I got some photos of it and then jacked it up to see how bad it was... Mechanically it seems very good, but the body is very rough, found a few large holes which certainly haven't appeared overnight, no idea how the hell it had an MOT. This was my pile of checking tools. I'm not sure what warranted 4 hammers, the pointy fella was the trouble maker.
These were the immediately obvious problem areas. Hole in N/S rear sill Innoffensive hole in N/S rear wheel arch Jazzy cherry bomb holder upperer This bit is by far the worst bit, rear O/S arch where the fuel filler neck goes. Hard to see here but this hole is big enough to fit my hand through and I have big gorilla hands. O/S check strap was totally f*cked and displaying some fine welding. Note the ethereal mist of overspray on every f*cking thing. Stripped some more bits off to determine quite how bad that rear arch was. Not good. I messaged the pictures to the guy who sold it to me, he was a young guy and obviously had no clue it was so bad. I could have (should have?) kicked off and demanded some money back but it was in pieces on my drive by this point and I felt like it was kind of my own fault for not looking at it better the day before. After a quick chat it was decided that we would fix it. It is ridiculous really, the car is pretty worthless, but I like it a lot and my son LOVES it. I feel like I'm kind of building it for him, though realistically I'll probably get bored of it and sell it before he's 5. It's a nice base spec carb car with only 60k on the clock, the interior is near mint and pretty much everything is original. Plus, I've finished the metalwork stage on my other two projects and that's the bit I enjoy the most. It's my therapy. So step one was to move a load of curse word from my workshop and make space for it in there. Started cleaning up the worst area and it just kept getting worse. Parts of it were inaccesible so to do it properly I decided to remove the quarter panel. Window came out, revealing another hole... Drilled out the spot welds around the window opening and carefully cut around the edges of the panel. Then pulled the panel off Hmmm... crusty Followed by the sill which was also rotten At this point I'm equal parts depressed and excited. Thanks for reading, more soon.
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1989 Mini MG 1275 ~ 1987 VW Polo ~ 1989 Citroen 2CV ~ 1998 VW T4 ~ 2006 Volvo XC70
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That is looking very nice, lovely job. It sounds like a real pain in the derriere to have to uproot your entire life at short notice, I don't know how I would cope with that. Thank you. Yes it was a very difficult time. That's the downside of renting a property, you're at the mercy of a land lord. I think the law has changed now, meaning you can't be evicted like we were back then.
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1989 Mini MG 1275 ~ 1987 VW Polo ~ 1989 Citroen 2CV ~ 1998 VW T4 ~ 2006 Volvo XC70
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Yes I remember them being around £300 second hand. I think new they're about a grand for semi decent ones now. It's easy to get carried away with tools...
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1989 Mini MG 1275 ~ 1987 VW Polo ~ 1989 Citroen 2CV ~ 1998 VW T4 ~ 2006 Volvo XC70
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Mar 21, 2024 21:24:12 GMT
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Great stuff, I love a frogeye. I melted an airfix one in the oven trying to dry the paint when I was about ten. Still upset about that. I need to invest in a spot welder, it looks so like much less work than plug welds and the associated grinding... urgh. Keep up the great work!
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1989 Mini MG 1275 ~ 1987 VW Polo ~ 1989 Citroen 2CV ~ 1998 VW T4 ~ 2006 Volvo XC70
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Mar 21, 2024 20:51:18 GMT
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I will look forward to your next report, in 2031... This gave me a laugh, thanks teaboy Alas, I have another update! So next step was to start fitting up a few panels, starting with the front end. Having already done a "dry fit" prior to paint I knew it was all going to line up fine, so it was a good experience chucking on the front wings and bonnet, plus EYES. In non structurally important areas I'm using stainless hardware, greased well where in contact with mild steel to avoid ye olde galvanic corrosion. Fitted up a few other parts, all of which have been cleaned or restored, I'll not bore you all with the details of that stuff, so here's a few pics of the various bits 'n' bobs being thrown together with gay abandon. Vent flap mechanism Horn Front screen and vent flap Pedal assembly and choke lever Handbrake lever and heater controls I started sorting out the wiring loom and fitting up the bulkhead with various bits Got rid of the dim dip system because it's a freakin' god damn fire hazard. The usually very simple wiring on a 2CV was updated to include the dim dip system sometime in the 80's I think, it can overheat but it's not needed so it was removed and the wiring modified so everything works properly. My landlord then decided he didn't like the cut of my jib (what's a jib?) and gave me very short notice to leave my workshop, house and garage which were all rented from him. Serves me right for putting all my eggs in one basket. We had a new baby at the time and I ran my business from the workshop as well as having a big garage full of projects, so this was a major life disruption which forced me to sell the Acadiane and some other projects. I kept the 2CV and the mini and we managed to rent a new place an hour away with a biggish garage where I could carry on the 2CV build. Moving the 2CV from one garage... To another! And carried on fitting things! Stainless battery tray Fitted some new side indicators to the flitch panels, due to the age it needs side indicators at the front and the plastic things that are stuck on top of the wings on 2CV's of this age don't float my boat. These were little LED side marker lights meant for trucks, but they are appropriately retro looking and most importantly very small and subtle, which I like! On 2CV's the paint code is normally stencilled onto the bulkhead, so I thought I'd put the new paint code on there. The car is unashamedly non original, but I like these little details so I made a stencil, trying to copy the strange font that Citroen used to mark paint codes. Next up I rewired the new rear lights to take the Citroen wiring connectors. This way the colour coding works the same and it looks confusingly original whilst also having lights from a VW T2... Next up I wired in the numberplate bolts which double up as numberplate lights. "Lite 'n' Boltz" they're called, and I really like them. I've had them on my mini for years and they're a neat solution. Both rear lights, numberplate lights and fog light fitted up. Excuse the state of the rear bumper, I'm yet to sort that out! Next up I fitted the bonnet grille and mesh. This is 1960's era grille, the best looking grille for a 2CV in my opinion. Sprayed some bits, seat runner mount and screen demister thingies. Yes those parts are being sprayed on the washing line. Yes I do get away with murder. Quality control midget checking on progress. I seem to have forgotten to take pictures of a lot of the next stage, but I got the roof, bootlid and rear wings fitted. It was really great to get to this stage, the car is slowly emerging! That's all for now, thanks for reading! Pete
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1989 Mini MG 1275 ~ 1987 VW Polo ~ 1989 Citroen 2CV ~ 1998 VW T4 ~ 2006 Volvo XC70
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Mar 19, 2024 21:12:47 GMT
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Erm... it seems 7 years have past since I last posted. Sorry about that. So what's been happening with the 2CV? Well, life got in the way again; but I appear to have gained two children. Not that I'm using them as an excuse, because I have been doing things with the Citroen albeit at sort of a glacial pace. Imagine if you will, a snail carrying heavy shopping, that sort of pace. Around 2017 I stopped using a digital camera to document the build and started using my phone which made it much harder to keep track of where the photos were. I've finally got round to gathering all the build photos together from various back up devices and will keep the updates coming regularly til we're up to date. Last time I posted, I was about to fit new brake pipes so that's where I'll carry on the thread. I eventually discovered that the brackets I was needing for attaching the brake pipes into the rear axle tube came with the pre-made brake pipe kits , so I ordered one of those and got cracking. The rear brake pipes are sort of strange on a 2CV, there are no flexys, instead there is a long coil of brake pipe that threads through the axle tube, it acts a bit like a torsion spring to cope with the movement of the rear arm. Knowing how copper work-hardens, this seems a bit of an odd idea to me, but I've not heard of any failing so it must work! The brakes were the last job to be done before fitting the body onto the chassis, so on with that next.
The first job was to fit the clips, sort of speed fasteners with a threaded insert. These had been "stewing " in vinegar for a few years to kill the rust, then soaked in oil before fitting. Next up I had to fit the seal that goes between the body and the chassis. This keeps the top of the chassis dry, which is also the floor, and stops squeaks and vibration. This was an Aldi special, sort of a neoprene foam that happens to be just the right size. That was run along the edges of the chassis, with cut outs made at each fixing point. It was then time to throw on the body. Everything lined up nicely apart from the rear most chassis mounts which clashed with the body a bit, and there were no holes for bolting down the back of the boot floor. I think the chassis must have been from another A series, maybe a Dyane. Anyway, I notched the rear corners to allow the clearance I needed and drilled holes for the boot floor mount bolts, one of which sat right on the box section of the chassis so I had to fit a rivnut. If this was a critical mount I'd have welded a nut in, but a rivnut was perfectly adequate on this occasion. The body was then bolted down. A great moment, mostly because I gained a good 3 square metres back in the garage! Next up, exhaust fitting. I had always liked side exit exhausts on 2CV's, though they were only ever factory fitted to the commercial models so I had to do a bit of fabrication. On a saloon the exhaust is meant to poke unceremoniously from under the rear bumper, and as so has an extra mount at the back of the car which steadies the exhaust somewhat. If you take the rear mount away, the exhaust waves about like a flag. Citroens solution on the commercial models was essentially a baffle to restrict movement of the rear most hanger. These aren't available new so I copied the one on my Acadiane and got busy with a bit of 2mm plate steel. I made a side exit by modifying the rear section of exhaust that I didn't want. That's all for now folks!
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1989 Mini MG 1275 ~ 1987 VW Polo ~ 1989 Citroen 2CV ~ 1998 VW T4 ~ 2006 Volvo XC70
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Oct 11, 2017 19:41:03 GMT
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Deposit received.
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1989 Mini MG 1275 ~ 1987 VW Polo ~ 1989 Citroen 2CV ~ 1998 VW T4 ~ 2006 Volvo XC70
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I'm afraid I don't have a trailer, but I could arrange at cost. £1000 is cheap for one of these but I need it gone because I'll soon have nowhere to put it. Cheers
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1989 Mini MG 1275 ~ 1987 VW Polo ~ 1989 Citroen 2CV ~ 1998 VW T4 ~ 2006 Volvo XC70
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Beautiful Merc!
The van is LHD, as are all Acadianes as they weren't ever made for a RHD market. There are some about that have been converted.
I'll email both who requested. Cheers.
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1989 Mini MG 1275 ~ 1987 VW Polo ~ 1989 Citroen 2CV ~ 1998 VW T4 ~ 2006 Volvo XC70
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I personally used it for "general hooning".
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1989 Mini MG 1275 ~ 1987 VW Polo ~ 1989 Citroen 2CV ~ 1998 VW T4 ~ 2006 Volvo XC70
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Edit - message from the chap I bought the car from. I can add some more detail to this as Peter bought the van from me. It is still on points but has a transistor-assist kit fitted, similar to Boyer Bransden - to remove the condenser from the setup as modern condensers are curse word. In regards to the dodgy lights on the MOT, I'm 99% sure this is from when I was MOTing another car and stole the bulbs for the MOT. I know I put the bulbs back but cant remember for sure if i connected them up. I also fettled the light switch just before the sale due to a dodgy horn contact inside so there is every chance I just forgot to connect the switch wires back up. I drove this van for ten years and never had any major problems with lights so I am convinced it is just wires needing connected at some point along the way. IIRC I put new rear wheel bearings on the van not long before Peter bought it, and I also remember changing at least one kingpin. The engine of the van Is very young - only about 20K miles tops. It was completely rebuilt for me by an engine specialist in Glasgow who has built more 2cv engines than I've had hot dinners and then further fettled by myself, Sean Lyon and Ken Hannah on multiple occasions to wring every little bit it had to give. I love the engine in this van. It would do 70 uphill with the van loaded and 85 on the flat. I am very tempted to buy back the van just for the engine. The van is what it is. An honest van that needs the usual toeboard welding and a weekend spent tidying up the surface rust. Good luck to whoever buys it! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Due to loss of storage, I'm very reluctantly putting my Acad up for sale. I got it out of the garage today, charged up the battery and it started fine, first time since 2015 when I bought it off a friend and drove it from Falkirk to Edinburgh. It's been in the back of my garage ever since, forever being promised a restoration, but I've never had the time. It's basically a really solid van and could pass an MOT and be back on the road with not much work. Check MOT history online for details of fail list from 2015, nothing dreadful. It's on the original chassis which is rock solid, usual surface rust but nothing more concerning than that. Most of the usual acadiane/dyane rust areas are sound, upper bulkhead, bonnet hinge. It does need a lower bulkhead repair as the outer is holed, would also benefit from front pans. Not an MOT fail. Sills are good. Load area is good. Front tyres aren't too keen on the whole "holding air" malarkey so go flat within a couple of days. I think one or both of the front brake discs are warped as the pedal height fluctuates under braking, otherwise the brakes work well. It runs and drives fine, engine seems good and I think it has electronic ignition fitted. The fog light pictured on the car isn't included, but I'll fit another for the buyer. Comes with the following parts. Front valance, acad bumper and goalposts assembly, O/S/F wing and closing panel painted in BLUE METALFLAKE. Citroen C15 roofrack. Doesn't fit at present but will do with a bit of the old jiggery pokery. Best to collect on a trailer unless you're a kamikaze type, in which case bring a couple of rims with good tyres. Blame Photobucket for lack of photos. I have loads which I can email, or go on facefaff and search for a group called PRE 1996 RETRO CARS AND PARTS FOR SALE UK, there are loads of pics on the ad there. Price is £1000 firm. No swapsies. Text or Whatsapp is best, I can't always get to my computer during the day. 07837760007 Cheers Pete
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1989 Mini MG 1275 ~ 1987 VW Polo ~ 1989 Citroen 2CV ~ 1998 VW T4 ~ 2006 Volvo XC70
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