mr
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ive got most of the parts required....i think. its a rota master turbo (freshly rebuilt by turbo technics),n/s manifold box ,o/s down pipe and connector,su carb,hard inlet pipe and oil feed line. still need a return line,and 2 gaskets for turbo though. got a spare sump for adding an oil retrun line into as well on the bench. just need to see some pics of one fitted to establish the best places to have everything. if its on another car and works fine ill gladly copy that set up. would rather do that than waste time trying to make something else work... it look like turbo feeds straight into the su.....do I not need to run it through an intercooler? ? any advice appreciated. ive only seen 1 carb'd ford v6 and that was a capri at battlesbridge and that had a custom manifold fitted.....cant afford that myself and yes its an essex,not a collogne. and heres the capri's one but with a boxes in carb set up
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Last Edit: Apr 27, 2011 5:03:03 GMT by mr
Got the car from 105 bhp at the crank to 152 at the wheels.nitrous going on next.....if it ain't broke,keep bolting on go faster parts until it is........ www.fordgranadaclubuk.freefo.de
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If you can plumb an intercooler in, then you should, it always makes a good difference in power and engine longevity.
Sounds like an excellent project, rare turbo too (I have a bit of a turbo fetish!).
Cheers,
J
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MWF
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I used to have a Turbo Technics F18 kit on an XR4x4. That was a single turbo conversion on a Cologne but it was using the K-Jetronic injection system not a carb.
I just checked my pics and you can't see a thing other than the boost pipe into the plenum.
The turbo was positioned directly off the nearside exhaust manifold with a crossover pipe running under the sump from the drivers side.
Mine was standard compression and ran 6psi with a large intercooler fitted with large electric fans. I was told by a tuner that they run very hot and are prone to overheating. Mine also had a heavy duty oil breather kit.
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mr
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mines the single turbo set up too mate,sits on the n/s manifold. has a relief valve thing at the end which feeds into the down pipe. i have no idea of how much boost there would be,all i know is that i was told it was a low compression turbo by the original owner. I'm guessing t'technics will have rebuilt it to the same spec. ive never seen a cologne turbo running an inline carb ,all i do know is that the carb bolts directly onto the side of the turbo . the oil feed will be off the oil pressure gauge and run back into a return pipe on the side of the sump. can i extend the distance from the turbo to the carb? if so i could squeeze an intercooler in line and re run the pipework back to the carb etc. just don't have any experience in turbos thats all. kinda like the idea having something rare .....even more if it actually works
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Got the car from 105 bhp at the crank to 152 at the wheels.nitrous going on next.....if it ain't broke,keep bolting on go faster parts until it is........ www.fordgranadaclubuk.freefo.de
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Apr 27, 2011 10:01:28 GMT
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Found this picture of a Mustang II engine with a turbo kit (the Mustang II was available with a variant of the 2.8 Cologne) Found it here - if you follow that link there is a downloadable old magazine article about Spearco turbocharged Mustangs
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I will get round to finishing it at some point
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Copey
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Apr 27, 2011 10:51:58 GMT
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zakspeed x-pack capri
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1990 Ford Sierra Sapphire GLSi with 2.0 Zetec 1985 Ford Capri 3.0 (was a 2.0 Laser originally)
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Copey
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Apr 27, 2011 10:53:00 GMT
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1990 Ford Sierra Sapphire GLSi with 2.0 Zetec 1985 Ford Capri 3.0 (was a 2.0 Laser originally)
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Apr 27, 2011 12:05:47 GMT
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The only SU carbed turbo kits i've seen were suck through so you cant fit an intercooler on em ? the old janspeed kits were like this and used a rotomaster turbo ? not the ideal seat up TBH although I thing janspeed only did them for the pinto and essex ? at least thats all I have on the janspeed setups? Any use ??
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stealthstylz
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Cologne v6 turbo pics neededstealthstylz
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Apr 27, 2011 12:27:52 GMT
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Suck through turbos are curse word. No intercooling and filling a turbo with fuel vapour is a disaster for longevity.
There are guides on the internet on how to convert a normal SU carb to take boost (what manifold is it using?). Run a pipe from turbo to intercooler then intercooler to carb. Run the fuel lines through a pressure regulator - feed boost into the regulator so that it raises the fuel pressure as boost goes up.
Matt
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Apr 27, 2011 14:32:43 GMT
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Copey, Zakspeed didn't use the 2.8i for their street Capri conversion. It was a carb conversion.
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Team Blitz Ford Capri parts worldwide: Restoration, Road, or Race. Used, Repro, and NOS, ranging from scabby to perfect. Itching your Capri jones since 1979! Buy, sell, trade. www.teamblitz.com blitz@teamblitz.com
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Copey
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Apr 27, 2011 14:34:46 GMT
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tell that to the owner buddy (Stuart and Debs from Restore a Ford)
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1990 Ford Sierra Sapphire GLSi with 2.0 Zetec 1985 Ford Capri 3.0 (was a 2.0 Laser originally)
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Apr 27, 2011 15:13:05 GMT
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Why would I need to tell him the Swaymar kit under the hood of his x-pack was not installed by Zakspeed in Neiderzissen? It simply wasn't. No need to irritate anybody. Just fact.
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Team Blitz Ford Capri parts worldwide: Restoration, Road, or Race. Used, Repro, and NOS, ranging from scabby to perfect. Itching your Capri jones since 1979! Buy, sell, trade. www.teamblitz.com blitz@teamblitz.com
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Apr 27, 2011 15:17:50 GMT
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Here, from Graham Robson, the dean of Ford journalists:
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Apr 27, 2011 23:45:07 GMT
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graham robson isn't that good his cortina book is full of errors.
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theres more to life than mpg & to much power is just enough.
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graham robson isn't that good his cortina book is full of errors. But I'm guessing it's better than your Cortina book, innit? ;D Besides, the Capri info about the Zak edition turbo is spot on.
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Team Blitz Ford Capri parts worldwide: Restoration, Road, or Race. Used, Repro, and NOS, ranging from scabby to perfect. Itching your Capri jones since 1979! Buy, sell, trade. www.teamblitz.com blitz@teamblitz.com
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mr
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thanks guys, heres what came with the kit....yeah i know its ...........ancient but most of its still there. i was under the impression that the air was blown through the su carb and then through the janspeed hard pipe directly into the standard inlet manifold. the original air filter wont be used for obvious reasons.... see pics of kit prior to cleaning etc. see pics below of kit. rotamasta turbo is all refurbed now and the carb is all cleaned up(still need a linkage for it). gonna need to know what pipes go where though. theres a connector at the end of the box manifold which ill guess at a poressure relief valve that needs to go to somewhere and theres pipe connectors on the carb etc too which ill obviously need to plumb in too
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Got the car from 105 bhp at the crank to 152 at the wheels.nitrous going on next.....if it ain't broke,keep bolting on go faster parts until it is........ www.fordgranadaclubuk.freefo.de
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Apr 28, 2011 23:18:25 GMT
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I might not have written a cortina book but know a hell of a lot about the mk3/4/5 & continue learning more. for a man who claims to know fords inside out there are plenty of simple errors in it that someone of his experiance shouldn't make.
also i've never understood for a bloke who sings the praises of the capri so highly why you don't live here.you could have even more & write your own capri book.
the 2.3 turbo lima eng is a suck through carb iirc in the early fox mustang.
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theres more to life than mpg & to much power is just enough.
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the 2.3 turbo lima eng is a suck through carb iirc in the early fox mustang. The I-4 Lima 2.3L went through all sorts changes and upgrades as it went on. For turbo guys, first turbo Lima was 1979 carb system, such as used on the Indy500 Mustang Pace Cars. Within a few short years, the Lima went EFI Turbo, on the Fox platform cars. Eventually, it got intercooled on select models. But the Lima ain't got nowt to do with the Cologne. I'd never live full-time in the UK, only because I cannot afford it. I have heavily contributed to a Capri book by Haynes writer Martyn Morgan Jones. It was released in October 2010. I got my check from Haynes last month! Martyn's done a good good job of it, and I was honoured to have been of assistance to him and Haynes:
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mr
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Apr 29, 2011 15:52:26 GMT
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So are we saying that id be better off sticking a filter where the carb is,running the turbo out through an intercooler and then into a sealed box with the carb in then?would the feed in purley be into the box or into the carb only?.
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Got the car from 105 bhp at the crank to 152 at the wheels.nitrous going on next.....if it ain't broke,keep bolting on go faster parts until it is........ www.fordgranadaclubuk.freefo.de
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Apr 29, 2011 16:24:39 GMT
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Unless the shaft bushes and float system are designed to handle super-atmo pressure differentials (and some carbs ARE, but most are not), the only recourse is to put the whole carb into the pressure box, so the atmo pressure inside and outside of the carb is equal. Otherwise, it's a FUBAR waiting to happen. This consideration is the dominant reason draw-thru systems were used instead of pressure boxes for a given carb choice.
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Last Edit: Apr 29, 2011 16:27:08 GMT by Team Blitz
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