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Oct 27, 2012 13:03:19 GMT
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Blimey, this is such a lovely motor...!!! I must drag my Granada out soon as I haven't used in ion months... This thread has compelled me to put the battery on charge and pump up the tyres on the old beast in order to get it moving... ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) I cannot wait to see the conclusion of this project...!!!
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eurogranada
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Well this week I was one session short on working on the car. I only had one short evening and I used that as best I could. I'm still prepping the car for the blaster. Almost done now. I have started sanding down the rear wings. This so the blaster only needs to lightly blast them clean so warping is absolutely not an issue. With full paint on it probably wouldn't be an issue eihter as the company doing the work is specialised in old cars but still, better safe then sorry. I only have the roof to go and the wings to finish. It seems a fast job, but it isn't really. As there is filler on the car, it takes a while to get it all off with 80 grit paper. But it's the preferred way of my bodyman so.... This is how she looks now. ![](http://granada-mk1.nl/images/rsgallery/display/IMG_0215.JPG.jpg) ![](http://granada-mk1.nl/images/rsgallery/display/IMG_0216.JPG.jpg) On other fronts there has been progress at last. It proved a lot more difficult then one would imagine to buy all nuts, bolts, rings, screws etc. all new and in a quality that can withstand the wheather and still look good in a couple of years. I was thinking yellow passified (?), but that is still susceptible to corrosion after a while. So I decided to buy the bolts in standard zinc, and then to have them processed by another company. I'm having them de-zinced and then coated in P1000 an aluminium/zinc coating that far exceeds the quality of the yellow passivate. Ok, it's going to cost me approximately 55-100 euro, but I'm having some 40Kg's done. And that includes hinges for the hood and doors etc. The finish will be a silvery colour, but not the blue silver. It's the first time I'm using this process as it is relatively new, but I have high expectations! So in the next 3 weeks a lot should be happening. The car should be moved to the blasters and be blasted and the bolts should all be delivered to me and then processed. Once that is done, I will fully rebuild the front and rear suspension subframes. And it should all look like new. The suspension itself has been blasted and powdercoated some time ago and was fitted with Polyurethane bushes. I can't wait and am quite excited about the progress. Just hope to be able to realise all plans!
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eurogranada
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Blimey, this is such a lovely motor...!!! I must drag my Granada out soon as I haven't used in ion months... This thread has compelled me to put the battery on charge and pump up the tyres on the old beast in order to get it moving... ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) I cannot wait to see the conclusion of this project...!!! Well get on it then! ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) And do let us know if or when you do! They really are lovely motors! They were in standard form a very beautiful car and most comfortable as well. Power was also available for them. Mine will not be standard but should remain true to the concept. A comfortable, fast, luxurious and still beautiful car...
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eurogranada
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Don't worry about people reading, most will, but don't have anything other than wow, or looks great to say, and that is like stating the obvious, and fill your thread up with pointless comments ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) +1. I've got this bookmarked. Thanks!! The more people I can interest the better it makes me feel and it sure helps keep the motivation up!
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Oct 28, 2012 10:01:03 GMT
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The suspension was done in P1000 I think you said? and I take it that that's blue silver? What are the seats from, forgive me if you've already said, I couldn't see a reference to where they're from.
A very interesting build, that I look forward to reading every time I come here. My Dad always had saloon Granadas, so I have very fond memories of them.
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eurogranada
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Oct 28, 2012 10:33:40 GMT
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The suspension was done in P1000 I think you said? and I take it that that's blue silver? What are the seats from, forgive me if you've already said, I couldn't see a reference to where they're from. A very interesting build, that I look forward to reading every time I come here. My Dad always had saloon Granadas, so I have very fond memories of them. Hi there... The suspension components were first stripped to bare components. ball joints, bushes etc. were all removed first. Then the parts were shot blasted and powdercoated. I chose a metallic grey colour for that as it sets off against a black car bottom yet isn't too in your face. I showed some of that stuff in my second update post on page one. All fasteners like bolts and nuts and rings will be coated in P1000. That is silvery, not blue silver like standard blue passivated zinc. It's a combination of aluminium and zinc coating. I chose P1000 for one because it uses no hydrogenperoxide (?) which can cause brittleness in metal. You wouldn't want that in suspension bolts now would you? It also is much more corrosion resistant then standard yellow and blue passivates. I have somewhere said where the seats are from. I don't want to emphasize that too much as they are non Ford, but I loved them from the first time I say them. They are volkswagen passat cc 2009 and up. They are also in the regular passat, but the rear seat doesn't have the 2+2 arrangement being separated by a small storage unit with cup holders. They will need considerable work to fit mind you. but nothing one can't handle with a welder. The great thing is that on e-bay germany they are very easily found (although it seems to get harder then before) at reasonable prices. Reasonable in comparison with retrimming your original seats in genuine leather or even vinyl. Try doing that for under 600 euro! And they are heated and fully electrically adjustable. As you can see, any questions one might have, I'll try to answer them as best I can.
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You're doing a very thorough job on a nice base vehicle.
Please give some thought to changing to V8 power - it would add another dimension to the finished product
John
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You're doing a very thorough job on a nice base vehicle. Please give some thought to changing to V8 power - it would add another dimension to the finished product John Thanks for your comments! Given the way you are handling your own projects "thorough" from you really means something to me. And yes I try to be... I did give V8 power some thought, but for the price of a 207hp V6 cosworth BOB with fully electronic automatic box I couldn't get myself a V8. At least not a Ford V8. And although I'm not 100% commited to using only ford parts (given my VW seats for instance) I personally would like the running gear and mechanicals to all be Ford. The 5.0 mustang or even 4.6 blocks are not very common here and when you do find one they are expensive. I also don't know how easy a 4.6 (that somehow does more for me than the 5.0) 32v engine would be to get running on original or aftermarket ecu. Drawback from aftermarket ecu is the cost. Even a megasquirt is still pricey and then you have to be able to find either a base map or have the knowledge to map it yourself or invest in a rolling road session... And a V6 cosworth is not a slow engine. And the Granada is to me a comfortable cruiser that can make others eat dust if I want to.... And that is fun enough. Just pulling away from a red light in a 40 year old car faster than fellow road users would have expected makes me smile... Also with the direction our government has taken just yesterday (doing away with tax exemption for oldtimers, adding more tax to fuel which already is at 1,75Euro for '95 octane) I think having a slightly economical engine (a BOB can do 1:10-12km's when not pushed at all times) is a sensible thing... But...engine replacement is one of the easier things to do at any time. Really restoring the body etc. is a much more involved process. Engine swaps can be 80% prepared for while still using the car. So depending on what the future brings moneywise and regulationwise and how well (or not) I like the currently envisioned cosworth powered end product I may in the future still go V8. But I'd like it to be a modern fuel injected one and preferably Ford. I'm on a very tight budget (part of the reason as well), but sick of doing it the budget way so I now try to go all out in what I do but still on a budget. Works progresses slower but is done better. I'm now at a point that several things are coming together and that feels great!
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Only a small update today. I spent yesterday evening at the workshop sanding for 2,5 hours. I feel like I have not much to show for it, but it's taking a while to sand through all the filler on the car. Even the roof is covered in a thin layer. But I'm getting there. Half the roof has been done and the left outer rear wing is now 75% bare metal. ![](http://granada-mk1.nl/images/rsgallery/display/IMG_0219.JPG.jpg) ![](http://granada-mk1.nl/images/rsgallery/display/IMG_0217.JPG.jpg) In other news, arrangements have been made and within the next two weeks the car will be transported to the shot blasters workshop. They currently have a BMW prject to finish and then mine is next. It's only a matter of time now. That to me is a huge step forward! It'll show all the rot (or by then just holes) that needs to be mended and that should really put a clear focus on where to work to. Plan of attack for the bodywork is simple: start at the front and work your way back. When the original body is rust free and intact again, the floor will be addressed to be able to fit the new seats and the scuttle/bulkhead will be attacked to make room for the scorpio aircon/heater boxes. But for that the engine has to be in on its subframe. So that is another of my side projects. I will quickly start work on that when the car is at the blasters. So not much more to show or tell. Waiting on the fasteners so they can ben sent for processing. With delivery times and processing turnaround it'll be the end of november I guess. The best thing is: I'm psyched (is that the right spelling) to get on it as much as I can!!
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Oct 30, 2012 11:15:23 GMT
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great looking project, will be watchin this with interest ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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You're doing a very thorough job on a nice base vehicle. Please give some thought to changing to V8 power - it would add another dimension to the finished product John Thanks for your comments! Given the way you are handling your own projects "thorough" from you really means something to me. And yes I try to be... I did give V8 power some thought, but for the price of a 207hp V6 cosworth BOB with fully electronic automatic box I couldn't get myself a V8. At least not a Ford V8. And although I'm not 100% commited to using only ford parts (given my VW seats for instance) I personally would like the running gear and mechanicals to all be Ford. The 5.0 mustang or even 4.6 blocks are not very common here and when you do find one they are expensive. I also don't know how easy a 4.6 (that somehow does more for me than the 5.0) 32v engine would be to get running on original or aftermarket ecu. Drawback from aftermarket ecu is the cost. Even a megasquirt is still pricey and then you have to be able to find either a base map or have the knowledge to map it yourself or invest in a rolling road session... And a V6 cosworth is not a slow engine. And the Granada is to me a comfortable cruiser that can make others eat dust if I want to.... And that is fun enough. Just pulling away from a red light in a 40 year old car faster than fellow road users would have expected makes me smile... Also with the direction our government has taken just yesterday (doing away with tax exemption for oldtimers, adding more tax to fuel which already is at 1,75Euro for '95 octane) I think having a slightly economical engine (a BOB can do 1:10-12km's when not pushed at all times) is a sensible thing... But...engine replacement is one of the easier things to do at any time. Really restoring the body etc. is a much more involved process. Engine swaps can be 80% prepared for while still using the car. So depending on what the future brings moneywise and regulationwise and how well (or not) I like the currently envisioned cosworth powered end product I may in the future still go V8. But I'd like it to be a modern fuel injected one and preferably Ford. I'm on a very tight budget (part of the reason as well), but sick of doing it the budget way so I now try to go all out in what I do but still on a budget. Works progresses slower but is done better. I'm now at a point that several things are coming together and that feels great! Well, you're taking things a step further than I have ever done, with the full body strip and shotblasting. I can very much see the appeal of that, but I have to manage my own motivation levels and for me personally, seeing the whole thing completely stripped and in pieces would be too daunting. As for V8s, there was a 1980s Mustang 5.0GT for sale near here earlier this year, 5-speed manual gearbox and mild but sensible tuning additions, for £2,500 - bodywork was shabby. It had some saleable parts (e.g. Ford GT body kit) and I seriously considered getting it as a donor for the Volvo, but decided not to in the end. Anyway, I look forward to seeing yours progress. John
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Well, you're taking things a step further than I have ever done, with the full body strip and shotblasting. I can very much see the appeal of that, but I have to manage my own motivation levels and for me personally, seeing the whole thing completely stripped and in pieces would be too daunting. As for V8s, there was a 1980s Mustang 5.0GT for sale near here earlier this year, 5-speed manual gearbox and mild but sensible tuning additions, for £2,500 - bodywork was shabby. It had some saleable parts (e.g. Ford GT body kit) and I seriously considered getting it as a donor for the Volvo, but decided not to in the end. Anyway, I look forward to seeing yours progress. John Hi John, I must admit, it is daunting at times!! A bare shell has to be really bare for blasting or chemical stripping. Really every grommet and every screw or bolt should be removed. That is a lot of parts! But to me it's like this...If I were to continue with the car as it was, I would have fixed the visible spots, but never had known that there were patches on the car with rusted out plates underneath. Or I would have found them later on after a bunch of work and money. Like the first time where the car was super solid under the wings, but after a while I started finding rust flakes (big ones) in the engine bay. Shouldn't have been possible with a solid car so out came the grinder to investigate, and the result was shown in one of the earlier posts on page 1... I wanted to prevent this from happening. Precisely as I am on a TIGHT budget. All the money going in has to count if you know what I mean. So doing things right is extra important to prevent me from spending money now and again in two years. Also I want the car to look new for as long as possible when finished. Any process, whether blasting or chemically dipping, will never ever get all rust out, cause between two spotwelded joints, even the fluids won't fully reach and the sand has even less of a chance. But, it's better than not doing anything (unless you know you have a solid car with no patchwork over rust). And it's also why cavity waxing or painting or whatever one chooses still remains so very important. But on the other hand, it's also an even bigger reward when you start building up the layers of paint and start putting on (new or reconned) parts to a bare shell. But admittedly, it's a huge undertaking. But the rewards should be huge as well. On the V8 subject. If I had 2500 euro (or pounds for that matter) just lying around, my car would be a lot further along! That is to me a huge sum to pay for an engine and some saleable parts... For reference, my cosworth BoB engine and gearbox cost less then 500 euro's and we got the whole car with them... A V8 I'd have to have up and running for about 1000 euro's including a suitable gearbox... For relatively modern Ford V8's I have to shell out a lot more over here as they just aren't plentyful. But nothing beats the sound of a smoothly running V8! I'm open to suggestions even if they are for the future! Is a project car ever really finished?? And to be honest it wouldn't be the first time plans have been radically changed.... So who knows. But for now I think I'll stick to the cossie V6 lump. Thanks for reading though!
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Oct 31, 2012 17:10:14 GMT
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Rover v8 can be had for as little as £5, as you seam set on an auto box, add another £30, wireing it, 50p
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Oct 31, 2012 17:42:58 GMT
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This deserves something much better and more refined than a rover v8, I reckon a BOB will work nicely in this. My dad had a scorpio cossie with that lump and gearbox and considering the heavy ugly lump it had to pull it didn't half shift. Plus wet roundabouts were EPIC fun!
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Oct 31, 2012 20:24:36 GMT
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Rover v8 can be had for as little as £5, as you seam set on an auto box, add another £30, wireing it, 50p A rover V8 is neither sexy nor Ford produced. I'm sorry but it just doesn't appeal to me for thuis build. Be different if I were building a britisch TR6 or Stag or something. I'd be looking for more of a modern efi engine, 32v would be nice. We'll see!
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Oct 31, 2012 21:01:32 GMT
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Rover v8 can be had for as little as £5, as you seam set on an auto box, add another £30, wireing it, 50p This budget plan made me LOL! its probably not too far off the mark, but at the end of the day you get what you pay for, Rover V8's ingest major league dormouse knackers every day of the week IMO
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Oct 31, 2012 22:15:42 GMT
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it's nice to see a mk1 coupe get a proper build ;D and even better to see one with a BOB and autobox going in with the EEC V brain as well ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png) will you be getting the shell dipped after the blasting and repair work?
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But nothing beats the sound of a smoothly running V8! I had the option when I bought the TVR of that or a V8 Chimaera but whilst the V8 is a lovely noise I actually prefer the V6 noise - its more sporty plus its said a good V6 isnt far off the sound of a V12 (back in the 80's the alfa v6 for example was pronounced by several magazines as the best sounding mass produced engine of all time and they said comparable to some Ferrari V12's) what I like about dropping in the Cosworth V6 like youve done, is that its a logical progression from the 70's Ford Essex V6 that was fitted to many mk1 grannys - and is what Ford themselves fitted to its modern incarnation. in effect its a modernised classic and still sticking with original manufacturer parts for the mechanicals is a nice touch- a Ford V8 wouldnt (in my eyes at least) be doing that, as Ford US is very different to Ford Europe
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