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Very smart Duncan! Why not keep the Momo in there? Thanks mate. I love the 4 spoke - I think it looks so cool and Porschey. I've got a decent leather Momo style 3 spoke, and a worn alcantara one. So, I'm going to fit the leather 3 spoke, get the 4 spoke recovered (and if it's not too pricey the alcantara one as well) and it will be a shootout between all 3 of them when finished. Cheers Duncan I've got a 4 spoke I took out of mine in excellent condition, it'll be cheaper than recovering yours
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Stunning car chap, inside and out!
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woolie
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Apr 21, 2015 18:54:40 GMT
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hey dude, did you have to lower your metering head for the intercooler pipes? i have an s2 turbo i am about to do the same to. Got a 951 intercooler ready and waiting!
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1979 Porsche 924 turbo
2002 VW T4
1969 VW beetle
New & Used Porsche 924 / 944 spares www.wooliesworkshop.com
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duncanmartin
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Apr 21, 2015 19:25:29 GMT
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I don't think so, but mine' an S1 so it might be slightly different. It's a really tight fit with the intercooler silicone pipes though - the bonnet needs a decent shove to shut properly! James at jgcporsche.co.uk/ fitted everything for me, and I think he then fitted an intercooler to his 924 Turbo as well, so give him a bell and see what he says - he's now an expert! I still need a new tailgate, but I need to find the time to come up and pick one - if I don't get my in gear beforehand would there be any chance of you bringing one to the national? Cheers Duncan
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Apr 21, 2015 20:01:37 GMT
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hey dude, did you have to lower your metering head for the intercooler pipes? i have an s2 turbo i am about to do the same to. Got a 951 intercooler ready and waiting! Depends where you put the IC. There's next to no room for pipework. Bodywork will need cutting, things will need moving regardless if S1 or S2 as the ancillaries are pretty much the same. Not one element of my car is now in the same place, but then I went over the top.
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Steve 924 turbo - Omega forged pistons, lightened and balanced bottom end, ARP studs + Cometic MLS HG, Piper fast road cam, Carrera GT turbo soon to be GTR spec!!, 951 ducted FMIC, Custom intake manifold, Mittelmotor dizzy & cam pulley, Adj boost - dyno’d 225bhp @ 1.0bar, now up to 1.3bar! Engine datalogged and on boost fuel enrichment managed with Zeitronix ZT2 & Phormula KS4 knock sensor, 944 turbo all alloy radiator, Hayward & Scott custom exhaust, GAZ Gold coilovers, Fuch'ed up, Quaife
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hey dude, did you have to lower your metering head for the intercooler pipes? i have an s2 turbo i am about to do the same to. Got a 951 intercooler ready and waiting! Mines a s2and the metering head wasant moved just custom pipework made up .
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I'm pretty sure the front of mine got cut more for better flow to the interccoler than anything else . But mine has a custom rad and oil cooler due to the lack of space .
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Apr 22, 2015 15:39:08 GMT
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duncanmartin
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Apr 22, 2015 19:20:59 GMT
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That looks like a nice 931. It's a bit more modified than mine (removable front panel?). I was trying to keep mine as returnable to standard as possible. So the only permanent modifications are the holes in the slam panel where the intercooler pipes come up through. The radiator is moved an inch or 2 back using adjustable mounts, and everything else is bolted up to the standard pipework (and I've got all the old bits sitting in my garage). Once the steering wheel is sorted, the next modification will be adjustable boost (and steering column bearing replacement). It's currently running 170bhp at 0.45 bar boost - I'd like to put it up to 0.8bar and see what it would make. 1.2 is a bit aggressive though - I don't really want to put modern engine management on it and with the standard stuff at 1.2 bar I'd be scared of blowing it up! Cheers Duncan
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woolie
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Apr 22, 2015 21:19:21 GMT
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thanks for info, i know james i will give him a shout too.
i am looking at making front end removable too.
i have seen various threads on fitting intercoolers and space is a big issue. I'll post up pics as i do mine.
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1979 Porsche 924 turbo
2002 VW T4
1969 VW beetle
New & Used Porsche 924 / 944 spares www.wooliesworkshop.com
07837664009
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I love reading this thread :-) as it reminds me of my old 931 which had an intercooler and adjustable boost (they fly at 1.2 bar) These pics were some of the inspirtion for my build. Yours and a Dutch car which used 951 front end to mount the 951 IC in a factory way. White parts are original Silver panel is the 951 front end grafted in after cutting the 931 panel out using factory seams so looks original Green badge panel is a super rare factory bolt on version which bolts to the 951 front slam panel perfectly After paint With IC in place But don't expect the four vents in the badge panel to supply enough cold air if you plan on increasing boost beyond 0.8 bar. At 1 bar the turbo outlet temps will be well over 100deg. If the IC is below the bumper, then this will give it a direct cold air feed. Mine now has a cut out in the front bumper with 951 cold air duct fitting so its getting blasted with ambient air. Also bear in mind the stock cast pistons and rings won't like too much abuse. The Carrera GT used forged pistons with its 0.75bar. The Carrera GTS used even beefier versions for its 1.0-1.1 bar. Mine has super beefy Omega forged which hopefully survives any extra heat and the odd detonation incidents. Stock pistons will melt and rings will snap. My car also now runs a 944 full ally radiator, header and swirl pot to deal with increased heat higher boost/power generates. The result is from this To this Car now runs 1.1 to 1.2 bar. Butt dyno suggests circa 220-230bhp in 1100kg chassis. So it does fly!! Sorry for the thread jack Duncan Hope it helps you Woolie
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Steve 924 turbo - Omega forged pistons, lightened and balanced bottom end, ARP studs + Cometic MLS HG, Piper fast road cam, Carrera GT turbo soon to be GTR spec!!, 951 ducted FMIC, Custom intake manifold, Mittelmotor dizzy & cam pulley, Adj boost - dyno’d 225bhp @ 1.0bar, now up to 1.3bar! Engine datalogged and on boost fuel enrichment managed with Zeitronix ZT2 & Phormula KS4 knock sensor, 944 turbo all alloy radiator, Hayward & Scott custom exhaust, GAZ Gold coilovers, Fuch'ed up, Quaife
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duncanmartin
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Apr 23, 2015 17:54:26 GMT
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No worries Steve - your car is awesome, and I really like the before and after pictures. Shows how OEM plus it is. Mine's all blue hoses and obvious aftermarket pipework, but in principle it could go back to original! Because I didn't do much cutting, my intercooler is hanging down below the bumper, so should get reasonable air flow. Cheers Duncan
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duncanmartin
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Apr 28, 2015 18:09:33 GMT
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I've been using it for the last week. I can't stop myself taking photographs in the work car park! I think this is my best so far: 20150427_071552 by duncancmartin, on Flickr
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woolie
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Apr 29, 2015 19:48:19 GMT
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looks awesome
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1979 Porsche 924 turbo
2002 VW T4
1969 VW beetle
New & Used Porsche 924 / 944 spares www.wooliesworkshop.com
07837664009
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duncanmartin
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1980 Porsche 924 Turbo duncanmartin
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May 16, 2015 17:53:19 GMT
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I collected my re-covered steering wheels today. I fitted the Alcantara one because I had the boss on it already. It looks (and feels) awesome: 20150516_123959 by duncancmartin, on Flickr Thing is, the other wheel looks really damn good too. It doesn't feel quite as nice (leather rather than alcantara), and the horn push is slightly battered, but it's original (ish), and it is really nice. It would probably last a bit better as well. Both wheels have the same material as before, but with silver stitching for that little personal detail. Decisions decisions! 20150516_123949 by duncancmartin, on Flickr I can recommend royalsteeringwheels.com/ - good service, good turnaround and reasonably priced. He had loads of wheels at his place, including one from a brand new RS6 that someone sent him to cover in alcantara! Cheers Duncan
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Clement
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May 16, 2015 19:02:23 GMT
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Ooooooh that's lovely <3<3<3
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woolie
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May 18, 2015 10:37:53 GMT
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I love reading this thread :-) as it reminds me of my old 931 which had an intercooler and adjustable boost (they fly at 1.2 bar) These pics were some of the inspirtion for my build. Yours and a Dutch car which used 951 front end to mount the 951 IC in a factory way. White parts are original Silver panel is the 951 front end grafted in after cutting the 931 panel out using factory seams so looks original Green badge panel is a super rare factory bolt on version which bolts to the 951 front slam panel perfectly After paint With IC in place But don't expect the four vents in the badge panel to supply enough cold air if you plan on increasing boost beyond 0.8 bar. At 1 bar the turbo outlet temps will be well over 100deg. If the IC is below the bumper, then this will give it a direct cold air feed. Mine now has a cut out in the front bumper with 951 cold air duct fitting so its getting blasted with ambient air. Also bear in mind the stock cast pistons and rings won't like too much abuse. The Carrera GT used forged pistons with its 0.75bar. The Carrera GTS used even beefier versions for its 1.0-1.1 bar. Mine has super beefy Omega forged which hopefully survives any extra heat and the odd detonation incidents. Stock pistons will melt and rings will snap. My car also now runs a 944 full ally radiator, header and swirl pot to deal with increased heat higher boost/power generates. The result is from this To this Car now runs 1.1 to 1.2 bar. Butt dyno suggests circa 220-230bhp in 1100kg chassis. So it does fly!! Sorry for the thread jack Duncan Hope it helps you Woolie yes, the IC install is how i have done mine. I am looking at plumbing next and not sure which way i am leaning.
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1979 Porsche 924 turbo
2002 VW T4
1969 VW beetle
New & Used Porsche 924 / 944 spares www.wooliesworkshop.com
07837664009
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duncanmartin
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1980 Porsche 924 Turbo duncanmartin
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May 22, 2015 19:52:04 GMT
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I put the original wheel back on. It looks better now I've cleaned the centre portion with some autoglym vinyl care stuff I had. Doesn't photograph quite right though - it looks a bit brown, but in real life it is the same colour as the dashboard. 20150522_185914 by duncancmartin, on Flickr It does mean that I can read the dials when sitting in the drivers seat, which helps. I shall see how I get on with it now before I make my mind up as to what's staying (and what to do with the alcantara wheel if I don't have it on this car (I feel the only logical answer is get another car to put it on, but I don't think my wife (or neighbours) would be happy with that!). I discovered the probable cause for the missing boost at the 924oc National last weekend. The recirculating valve is supposed to clack when you lift off the throttle (releasing pressure to stop the turbine from stalling), but it doesn't make a sound, meaning it might very well be stuck. Hopefully I can get that sorted and it will then make proper boost and better power. I also found out that the vacuum plumbing is a bit confused. That's fair enough, the garage was working from a couple of old photos of the intercooler install from it's previous location, which was an S2. Still, I think I understand how it's supposed to work, so I may have a go at changing things soon. Cheers Duncan
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May 22, 2015 21:06:35 GMT
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The vacuum plumbing is simple. It's the same whether S1 or S2. It just looks confusing at first until you get your head round it. There was a coloured drawing on 924OC some while ago which would be a great help for you.
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Steve 924 turbo - Omega forged pistons, lightened and balanced bottom end, ARP studs + Cometic MLS HG, Piper fast road cam, Carrera GT turbo soon to be GTR spec!!, 951 ducted FMIC, Custom intake manifold, Mittelmotor dizzy & cam pulley, Adj boost - dyno’d 225bhp @ 1.0bar, now up to 1.3bar! Engine datalogged and on boost fuel enrichment managed with Zeitronix ZT2 & Phormula KS4 knock sensor, 944 turbo all alloy radiator, Hayward & Scott custom exhaust, GAZ Gold coilovers, Fuch'ed up, Quaife
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duncanmartin
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May 29, 2015 20:29:12 GMT
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I have an exploded diagram Chris sent me and a few pictures of his car and Pete's car from the national. I just need to get around to hunting where the pipes all come from, and then I can label up and look to put them right. If I get a few dry hours this weekend I may start labelling things! However, today I thought I'd look into sorting the mounting for my phone. Rather than having the annoying green thing sticking to the windscreen (and falling off at inopportune moments), I thought I might try something a bit different. I made a steel plate the same shape as the speaker that came out of the dashboard hole. Then I chopped the old plastic mount up and screwed it together. Placed in the hole it looks like this, and the cover fits over the top. 20150529_191543 by duncancmartin, on Flickr I'd like to hinge the speaker grille at the top, so that it closes over the plate and the phone holder when I'm not driving it, but I can flip it up and put the phone in when it's in use. The hinge has to be stiff enough that the cover would stay open over bumps and it has to be attachable to the grille as well! 20150529_191552 by duncancmartin, on Flickr Any suggestions for suitable hinges? Obviously it will all get painted black to stay suitably subtle once everything is all finished. Cheers Duncan
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