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Jul 13, 2014 12:48:18 GMT
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This car wasn't going to be a keeper, but it happens now that it is so it's time for a thread to be dedicated to it after realising it was taking over my Princess thread a bit too much, the story began here: retrorides.proboards.com/thread/123005/1980-austin-princess-more-xantia?page=67Xantias are in a bit of a no-man's land at the moment, like a lot of 90s cars. They're pretty anonymous in modern traffic and daily use and considered a bit new for the full-on retro experience. They come with a lot of toys, mine isn't top of the range but it still comes with air conditioning (working), electric windows all round (working), remote (not working anymore) central locking (working), power steering (working) and a built-in immobiliser, all things you'd expect of a modern car. Fact is, this car is 17 years old now but isn't really showing that age, park it next to an Escort of the same age and the Escort looks antiquated. So how am I going to make this interesting here? Mainly, by keeping it cleaner than a clean thing and sticking to a very rigid 90s OEM ethos with modifications, many of which are very easy to achieve and very easy to get wrong. Less is definitely more and I'm not very good at less. Originally, my brother bought the car but it hated him and kept breaking so he gave it to me, this is what we were faced with. The Xsara alloys did suit it remarkably well, but many, many years of living under trees and never being deeply cleaned made a solid car look rougher than a badger's bottom. The interior looked pretty good on the cleanliness front until I started deep cleaning. Came up fairly quickly, and was a good way to spend a sunny afternoon. After a few days of hard graft, my brother and I had cut through the majority of the chalk white paint and tree sap and general dirt to find that underneath it all there was quite a good thickness of paint all over and really very, very minimal cosmetic faults. The rear outer lenses were both damaged, one had a hole and the other a crack. I was putting this as low priority until someone reversed into the cracked one in a car park and broke it even more, I was not happy about this. But luck was on my side and I found an as-new set on eBay for hardly anything. I also got a bit carried away and end up removing the tailgate lights to clean behind them and resealing the tailgate membrane which was occasionally letting water in. I even peeled back the loose bits on the rear number plate, fettled out as much dirt as I could then reglued it before putting it back on the car, just because it looked so rough. A swift bit of debaging action - see, typical 90s stuff - to the tailgate saw the rear end looking very, very nice. I made a start tidying up the scraped rear arch and the long crease in the rear quarter, neither of which were bad but both of which still need a little more work to be perfect. I also tidied up the other rust-stained arch and revealed a bad repair, cleaned it up and put some top coat on. This is a common rot spot and about the only rot spot on Xantias. It will be repaired fairly soon, for now it's been tidied, treated and painted so it looks better and the rust is slowed until I can get some free time with the welder. The hole is in the outer skin of a triple-skinned area and isn't structural but would likely fail an MoT if presented in this condition so it will be addressed before very much longer. Also cleaned out the fuel filler pocket and flap, both of which were gunged up with ick so badly it wouldn't drain. It's a bit of an odd car for me too this one. It's extremely capable, runs on veg oil so incredibly cheap, has my favoured suspension type of fluid in spheres and comes equipped with a turbo to make hills as easy as flat roads. It's comfortable, competent and reliable (so far) and while I'm not the biggest fan of the driver's seat, I can't really find fault with it. This is easily the nicest car I've owned so I want to keep it that way and make it nicer still if I can. Certainly, it's probably the most sensible car to be using while the Princess is undergoing some serious sparkly stick action, which you can read about over here: retrorides.proboards.com/thread/123005/1980-austin-princess-more-xantia?page=1
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Last Edit: Aug 14, 2014 19:48:53 GMT by Deleted
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Jul 13, 2014 12:54:04 GMT
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Today, I did something that many people won't understand. I swapped the attractive Xsara alloys on the Xantia with some much less attractive steels and trims. Mike also paid a visit in his silly red car. There is method in the madness though. I agree, the Xsara alloys looked great on the Xantia, they really did, but they weren't very me. I wanted something a bit more me and to do that I needed to get the Xantia back on some steel wheels. The fact that the steel wheels have Michelin tyres in the factory size rather than Westlakes in a low profile is, for me, a large bonus and while the wheel trims do look a bit Halfords they are Citroen original. Note also the Xantia roof rack, front bar pushed back so it's more aesthetically pleasing to me. The gains in MPG without the roofrack on the car are so minimal that it makes more sense to leave it fitted, I pull the front bar forwards if I need a larger roof rack. The other lovely thing Moog (previous owner) brought me was the parcel shelf. It makes a huge difference to how tidy the car looks from outside and reduces cabin noise considerably inside. The new tyres are very, very grippy and the clutch feels better on these wheels than it did on the others. The speedo also appears to read more accurately and it's slightly less effort to get the car moving. In addition, the ride feels smoother and the wheels now fill the arches much better so all in all I'm much, much happier with the car as it is. I'll be happier still when the Synergie wheel trims I've bought are delivered as I'll get all of the above and some sexy looking wheels instead of the so-so wheel trims look I've got going on right now.
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Jul 13, 2014 14:21:06 GMT
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If youre going for a 90s theme, surely the only acceptable wheels are either soft 3 spokes, or TSW venoms!
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Jul 13, 2014 16:55:18 GMT
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Three spokes ftw! SAAB three spokes do fit, ideally with spacers to bring them out a bit as the Xantia has a surprising offset of 15 where the SAAB is 35-45 depending on the alloy set you get. In the meantime, some Citroen Synergie wheel trims will do the trick, possibly painted white to match the car, possibly left factory silver... here's some silver ones... ...and here's some white ones on a fantastic slab of Tissier Ambulance. But definitely looking at this sort of thing for inspiration. Colour wise it's pretty easy, this is the sort of thing I'm looking at and the key part to making it work is that the car has to be impeccably clean.
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Jul 13, 2014 18:10:20 GMT
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Nice choice of car! I had a Xantia for a few years and absolutely loved it. Even after all these years I sometimes get a bit angry at myself for selling it. The ride with CX/BX spheres was superbly smooth and the handling still wasn't half bad. I currently have a Pug 406 as a daily, and while it is in many ways a better car than Xantia, it will never have the same smooth ride. Here's a few pictures of her if you don't mind: And a bonus: A video of Xantia on 3-spokes - Click
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Jul 13, 2014 18:47:31 GMT
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That looks sooo clean, A new rear numberplate and it would be mint!
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Jul 13, 2014 20:02:35 GMT
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bumper3d: congratulations, you win the internet tonight! Is yours a very early car? I notice it has chevrons on the bonnet rather than the grill. I've been considering getting that grille for mine instead of the one it has too. monty: it isn't clean enough, still loads of tiny blemishes for me to rectify, but a lot closer than she was that's for sure. I'm looking at getting custom sized plates made, a big Rover 75 style one for the back and whatever size I need to fill the front bumper recess properly. The number plates on it look pretty rough after all the other work that's been done. There's a few trim niggles too, but nothing serious.
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monty
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Jul 13, 2014 21:22:09 GMT
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That looks sooo clean, A new rear numberplate and it would be mint! Que? I didn't post that!
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Jul 13, 2014 21:28:09 GMT
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er... oh, I see what's happened... I should've tagged @daaaaaan instead.
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bumper3d: congratulations, you win the internet tonight! Is yours a very early car? I notice it has chevrons on the bonnet rather than the grill. I've been considering getting that grille for mine instead of the one it has too. Heh, thanks! It's a 1994, so it's actually one of the very last with this front end. I also like the steering wheel in these over the bulky airbag one, though I'm a bit disappointed they dropped the one-spoke designs.
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i love this thing, but i need a modern car at the moment, so have been looking at the citroen c5 estate on hydra3 suspension, after driving round france and belgium in a picasso last week the ride was so good compared to my current car it has changed my whole idea of suspension
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Jul 14, 2014 10:58:59 GMT
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Really, there's nothing a Xantia is missing as a modern car, it even has a CD port for plugging in an MP3 player or whatever and it has that reliability you'd want from a modern. I've become almost completely used to the fact I can get in, turn the key and drive wherever I want to without fear of reprisal from the angry mechanical gods. The only advantage I'm aware of with the C5 is that some parts are a little easier to acquire, but they appear more prone to breaking. The Xantia seems to sit very nicely in a niche that's normally reserved for Peugeots, it has all the nice little touches of a Citroen for comfort but all the sensible practicality and reliability of a Peugeot which makes it pretty much perfect for everyday use.
Just don't expect it to be an exciting or characterful car to drive until you find how fast and flat you can go around corners.
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monty
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Jul 14, 2014 21:29:17 GMT
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er... oh, I see what's happened... I should've tagged @daaaaaan instead. You tagged me, I've no idea why his username is coming up as the same as mine.
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er... oh, I see what's happened... I should've tagged @daaaaaan instead. You tagged me, I've no idea why his username is coming up as the same as mine. He hasn't tagged you, he's tagged Monty. You're not 'monty', you're 'daaaaaan'. You're getting your display names and your usernames mixed up. Usernames are unique; display names are not, so although you have different usernames, your display names are the same. Tagging uses usernames, not display names, Mr Vulgalour assumed that your username was the same as your display name and therefore tagged 'monty' in his post. If you want to know what someone's username is, hover your cursor over their display name on their post. If you don't have a cursor because you're on a phone or tablet, click on their name to take you to their profile, it will show their username there.
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Last Edit: Jul 15, 2014 7:26:08 GMT by VIP
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monty
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You tagged me, I've no idea why his username is coming up as the same as mine. He hasn't tagged you, he's tagged Monty. You're not 'monty', you're 'daaaaaan'. You're getting your display names and your usernames mixed up. Usernames are unique; display names are not, so although you have different usernames, your display names are the same. Tagging uses usernames, not display names, Mr Vulgalour assumed that your username was the same as your display name and therefore tagged 'monty' in his post. If you want to know what someone's username is, hover your cursor over their display name on their post. If you don't have a cursor because you're on a phone or tablet, click on their name to take you to their profile, it will show their username there. Is it not a bit stupid to let people have display names that are already in use by someone else? And he did tag me as I got the notification for it. Both my username and display name have always been Monty since I joined in 2007 so it isn't me who has things mixed up.
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Last Edit: Jul 15, 2014 9:25:33 GMT by monty
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It's not the end of the world.
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Jul 15, 2014 10:22:40 GMT
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He hasn't tagged you, he's tagged Monty. You're not 'monty', you're 'daaaaaan'. You're getting your display names and your usernames mixed up. Usernames are unique; display names are not, so although you have different usernames, your display names are the same. Tagging uses usernames, not display names, Mr Vulgalour assumed that your username was the same as your display name and therefore tagged 'monty' in his post. If you want to know what someone's username is, hover your cursor over their display name on their post. If you don't have a cursor because you're on a phone or tablet, click on their name to take you to their profile, it will show their username there. Is it not a bit stupid to let people have display names that are already in use by someone else? And he did tag me as I got the notification for it. Both my username and display name have always been Monty since I joined in 2007 so it isn't me who has things mixed up. Now I'm getting muddled up! Anyway, just read the opposite to what I said before and you'll understand what's happened. He meant to tag 'daaaaaan' (displayname 'monty') and by accident tagged 'monty' (displayname also 'monty').
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Last Edit: Jul 15, 2014 10:24:04 GMT by VIP
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monty
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Jul 15, 2014 10:25:03 GMT
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Is it not a bit stupid to let people have display names that are already in use by someone else? And he did tag me as I got the notification for it. Both my username and display name have always been Monty since I joined in 2007 so it isn't me who has things mixed up. Now I'm getting muddled up! Anyway, just read the opposite to what I said before and you'll understand what's happened. I do understand what's happened and to paraphrase your swiftly deleted post, I am not "un-calm". I just think it's silly to allow multiple uses of the same display name as it results in exactly the kind of confusion above.
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Jul 15, 2014 14:15:53 GMT
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When Ruffgeezer did the front corner for me, he mentioned it could do with the lower front arm bushes doing. Looked at the paperwork and this was an advisory in 2013 as well. I've been sort of experiencing - you can't really feel or hear it - an occasional 'bobble' when I'm driving along. I can't describe it better than that. I'm guessing this is the same thing. £30 for a pair of the hub-side bushes seems reasonable but I need to know I can afford it before I place the order and for that I need my house moving date to be sorted. I also thought I'd price up some new numberplates since I'd certainly need at least the rear replacing for the next MoT. I have found a place that can do a custom rear plate for me, but it's at least a week to wait until they get the new materials order in so I've left that for now. I do have a discount account with another local company though, so I made use of that and for less than a tenner got myself a brand new front number plate. A bit of fettling of the front bumper to make it as clean as I could saw the front end further improved. It is a small extravagance but one I think is permissible. Needs - clutch, lower front arm bushes, new wipers (still okay, but starting to fail), new rear number plate (for MoT), welding patch to rear door jamb, rear brake overhaul, LHM change/flush Wants - early Mk1 grille, few interior bits of trim, few exterior bits of trim, three spoke alloys, new windscreen, factory extras, factory toolkit/jack Nothing too desperate required, it's still chugging along very happily and doesn't demand much of my time, which is just as well as I haven't much time to give it.
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Jul 16, 2014 23:30:53 GMT
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It does look good I have to say? Common you say? The only one I used to see (and probably the last one I saw) was one the garage used to use! The hydopnematic suspension does appeal very much to one. Owning such a Citroen has been on my list for a while, especially since a friend of mine purchased a DS not so long ago! It is good to see that you are sticking with the car . If you get bushes, I'd go either for Poly items or Motaquip or TRW. I'd say Citroen but I doubt they are cheap.
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