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Thanks for the advise joem83, and MiataMark, i appreciate you guys taking the time to give it once over. Of course as i've got bids on the thing eBay wouldn't let me amend my listing, so for when it doesn't sell this time make it less wordy, stick to bullet points for the good and bad, and take a few new photos with a cleaner engine, and interior, plus put the front headrests up. It's funny, i didn't think about any of this when i was taking the photos or writing the listing. I just thought take pictures of car showing what it looks like, and write a description, I never know what to write for one, perhaps that shows, maybe it makes it look like i've padded it out? I look at peoples listings who don't bother with he description, and instead just fill out the item specifics box. I never bid on those cars as to me that looks a bit impersonal, it always looks to me like they don't really know the car, hence why i like to try to write some sort of description. Although, i must say if the description is too long, then i don't bother with these people either, that to me looks like they're trying too hard. So i'm guessing somewhere in the middle, like you say, bullet points! I've just had a quick browse at other X-type estates that are currently at nearly twice the price of mine on the bay at the moment, and they all have bullet point style listings. Next time, so will mine! Thanks guys  I must admit SmokeEm, before i bought the Jaguar i did consider buying a Mercedes S210 Estate for my trip to Germany, but the thing is, i kept looking at them, but i just don't like the look of them, and i really wanted to keep the cars in this project to all be cars that i wanted to own, as i can't see the point of just padding it out, and filling it up with cars i've bought because i needed to buy something, anything... I was quite lucky that the Omega showed up, as for me, it was one of the cars on the list, and at the time time it fitted the bill perfectly! I have had limited experience with Mercedes, my only one to date being a mid eighties 500SEC... I really liked this car, and i quite fancy another, although, and this might sound odd, i quite fancy the poverty spec 380SEC, just for the sake of comparisson. As for the Mercedes W210, no, not really, i've never been a fan of saloon cars (although strangely if a Lexus LS400 shows up cheaply enough i'll probably jump on it!), the cars i like a pretty much all chosen for their aesthetics, and saloon cars have never done it for me at all, infact i'd probably rather a people carrier! No, no, that was a lie, i have my limits lol! I have been looking at a Mercedes C208 or two, i think they're quite an attractive looking car, and they look like quite good value for money, so i probably wouldn't rule one of those out, but it all does depend on what turns up on the day i look for the following months car. |
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Is this where the thread ends, with another unsucessful listing of the Jaaaaaaaag on fleabay? Without the sale of the Jag i can't really move on to the next vehicle, because to be frank, i've not got the room to store it! So, where does it go from here? Is it down to the lake I fear? Ay ay ay ay ay ah, Ay ay ay ay ay ah! Ooh dear, got a bit Nick Hayward/Haircut 100 there for a second, that can't be good, and won't help anyone! Well, the only thing to do is re-list the old girl, everything is saleable, you just need to find the right victim, er, person who wants to give you the right price! So taking some advice from various forum members, ^see above post from djefk^ i read this thread ( retrorides.proboards.com/thread/102246/sell-car-ebay-fun-profit ) found elsewhere on this most excellent forum... Come up with your start price. This is easy. Its 99p. Your reserve is as easy to work out. There is not one. A low start stimulates interest but if you out a reserve on which is too high then that initial momentum will not be maintained. If you put a reserve on which is “too low” so it is quickly met, then you may as well not bother with a reserve and save yourself the money. If you start the car at what you want for it, whether that is your bottom price or your “reasonable” price then you risk losing bids and watchers to people who are wrapped up in an auction with plenty of bidding action taking place. You may get no bids or just the one or two. I have to say I am really convinced by the 99p no reserve approach, having migrated there from 99p start and a low reserve. It took me a bit of convincing (again Bruce) but it does work. That low reserve was just wasting me money. A high reserve will really deter bidders. If you don't use a reserve then you don't risk having a huge gap between the winning bidder and the next bidder I must admit i'm quite nervous about selling the Jaaaaaaaag with a starting bid of just 99p, and with no reserve, but i guess if all else fails atleast we'll know what a 2004 Jaguar X-type estate with an agricultural engine is actually worth! As for why it's not selling for what i'd hoped for, i have had a lot of time off this month, and it has given me time to ponder things a bit, and have come up with a few theories. The first one is that i paid too much for it in the first place. When i bid on the Jaguar back in February i was quite desperate for a diesel estate car, not as desperate as i was about to become after buying the Jag, but i'll not go into that here, as it's already been covered a couple of pages back. So i put a bid in that was possibly too high in the hope that no matter what, i'd win... BIG MITSAKE!! No matter how deperate, bid to what you think its worth, no matter how much you want it, or deal with the consequences, and don't whinge when it all goes shitfaced and you end up selling it at a loss! Secondly, going back over the original listing i decided to have a look at the bidding history where i noticed that Mr (or Mrs for that matter) d***6 put in quite a lot of bids in £10 incrememts, so i'm wondering if i got bid up by one of the sellers friends? Possibly Probably!! But none of that matters, it's mine now, and so is the problem of selling it to someone else! I have also wondered if this is a case of bad karma coming and biting me in the bum! I mean when i originally posted my little piece on the Jaaaaaaaag when i originally started to use it i said amoungst other things... So, first impressions. Well, i'm a bit disappointed if i'm honest. I've never been a Jaguar man really, i never liked the E-type, I never liked the XJS i do have a couple of other niggles. One is the interior rear view mirror, and this is probably specific to me, and people who are about my size. For me, it's just in the damn way all the time. I reckon Jaguar could've mounted it another three or maybe even four inches higher on the windscreen and it would've been fine. The other thing about it i don't like is that i find the seats are a bit small for my lardy ar$e, and therefore not very comfy, plus i think the ride is a bit harsh. Not good, a ten year old Jaguar should in my opinion have a better ride than a thirty year old lowered Talbot! So, not as complimentary as i could've been about the old thing, but thats how i felt at the time. I have also wondered if Geoff Lawson, whos last piece of design work for Jaguar before he died was the Jaguar X-type has got wind of how i felt about his final piece of design and is looking down on me from Heaven saying "pistonpopper, there's no way you're gonna sell my beautiful car until you fully appreciate it and understand what a fantastic car you have there! You must change your ways and opinions of my beautiful car!" Probably not, but you never know  Please excuse my madness, i'm a little bit tired, and my painkillers are kicking in  So having asked for advise when i last listed the Jaguar, both joem83, and MiataMark took the time to have a look at my fleabay ad, and commented that the body of text was too big, and might be better as bullet points. I then went and had a look at all the other Jaguar X-types on the bay, and pretty much all of them had higher bids than mine, and all had been listed not with a big body of text, but with bullet points. When i re-list it, i will try this method too! They also mentioned that some of my photos were not doing me any favours, namely these...  Grubby looking engine...  Tatty floor mats, and could do with a going over with the vacuum cleaner...  Front headrests looking down which looked strange, and makes it look a bit sad... Funnily enough when i took the photos and listed the car on fleabay i noticed none of these faults, but now that they've been pointed out to me, thats all i see when i look at my listing! Taking this advice onboard, when i do re-list it i shall do so with a new bullet point stye description, and new photos too, plus of course 99p start, and no reserve  in the hope that i will find new interest in the Jaguar. Other things i noticed about my two attempts to sell the Jaguar on fleabay were:-  On my first attempt to sell it i had just 48 watchers, but 18 bidders and it ended at £1445.00. The second attempt i had another 12 watchers, but 5 less bidders, this had a detrimental effect on the bidding, as it ended at only £1120.00, not ideal! Especailly as i had made my mind up that if it got to £1500, i'd let it go for that. The other thing i noticed was that only one of the bidders on the second auction had bid on the first one, and he/she bid less the first time round. Of course, looking at my two listings and seeing how much less bidding activity happened the second time round i'm a bit concerend that this time it will end around £800!! That wont be good, as that will put me about £1000 out of pocket, and that will make it hard to justify carrying on! Of course reading this doesn't help soothe my nerves either lol... ...but I do know the more times you put the same car on eBay the lower the price becomes... Oh dear, let just keep everything crossed that new pics and description will help sell the Jag at a decent price!  By the way, Mr. Lawson, if you are tuning in to my little thread about your car from the other side, i would like to take this opportunity to say that my initial reaction to driving your car was wrong, it has grown on me to be honest in my extented care of it. The turning point was when i had to make a cross county dash at 4am one morning, i had to press the car quite hard, infact VERY hard, much MUCH harder than i would ever drive under normal circumstances, and it surprised me a great deal, and it made me quite aware of just how capeable this oil burning Jaguar really is. It turned from something in my mind that was a lardy, heavy, dull, blunt tool of a car that lumberred along into something really quite sharp, accurate, and astonishingly fast, dare i say even a bit sporty!! It really came alive that morning, and it really showed it's pedigree, later that day when i was sat back at home reflecting on the days events i realised that i was genuinely surprised by how it went, and handled, i never thought it had it in it. I think that it's actually a far better car than i originally had thought. I still don't think it's as good as it should be, but my opinion of it has chaged quite a lot. |
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Good luck this time around!
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Have you considered listing it as a Classified advert with Make an offer?
It's £15 for 28 day listing, you can revise the listing as often as you want & people can make you offers that you don't have to accept.
Only down side is, if you want it gone in a set time, it's not forced to sell.
Good luck with the re-list!
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Have you considered listing it as a Classified advert with Make an offer? It's £15 for 28 day listing, you can revise the listing as often as you want & people can make you offers that you don't have to accept. Only down side is, if you want it gone in a set time, it's not forced to sell. Good luck with the re-list! Agreed, I always use classified. Less time wasters and no final value fees either! |
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Good luck this time around! Thanks, third time lucky... hopefully! Have you considered listing it as a Classified advert with Make an offer? It's £15 for 28 day listing, you can revise the listing as often as you want & people can make you offers that you don't have to accept. Only down side is, if you want it gone in a set time, it's not forced to sell. Good luck with the re-list! I haven't considered the classified advert method for a couple of reasons, first, when I browse ebay for cars I never look at the classified ads as for the most part I think that the prices don't usually reflect the value of the car, whereas an auction tells you what people are willing to pay. Sadly in the case of my X-type, that's not enough, but if you're going to take on a project like this one then you can't expect a win every time. Although once in a while would be nice ha ha. But I'm gambling, and no gambler always wins, the only winner in gambling is the house, or in my case the house of ebay. The second reason for not using the classified ad method is time. I just don't have the time to put it up for 28 days, even though after this listing ends it will have been on ebay for 30 days! But the plan was to buy it, drive it, and sell it before the month ends so that I don't have loads of cars hanging around. This time it hasn't worked out like that, I don't know why, but I never expected that to happen. But it's all part of the learning curve I guess, and as long as I learn from this experience, recover from it, and move on I guess it's all part of the fun of the project. |
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Jun 11, 2015 14:20:30 GMT
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Am looking at classifieds if my Disco doesn't sell this time, the cost of relisting after being messed around by buyers is starting to take its toll, selling 2 cars has cost me £50 already and there still parked on my drive.
I think its obscene that ebay has decided to charge you relisting fees now.
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Some days you just need to take a grinder to an inanimate object, just to make your day a tiny bit better!!
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Jun 12, 2015 19:15:18 GMT
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I think its obscene that ebay has decided to charge you relisting fees now. I know what you're saying there fella, so far in listing fees alone it's cost me nearly £50 to sell the Jaaaaaaag, and i've realised that i must've paid too much for it in the first place... Dammit!! Still, you live and learn i guess! So after much advice from various forum members i have re-done my listing for the X-type in a bullet point stylee listing both the good points and the bad points in the hope that this time, it will sell. Well, this time it will sell as after reading and re-reading alistairk's thread "How to sell a car on eBay for fun and profit" in the Useful Threads and FAQ section... come up with your start price. This is easy. Its 99p. Your reserve is as easy to work out. There is not one. I ditched the reserve price, which saved me about eight quid i think, and started the auction at the paultry sum of just 99p...  Now, i realise that at Mc Dowells and various other burger chain resturaunts you can get a soggy cheeseburger for just 99p, and i am led to believe that this is good value for money, but not as good value for money as a Jaguar X-type for 99p... Lets just hope that it sells for more than that, believe me, if i only get 99p for it, I won't be lovin' it! I also addressed the engine and interior photos issue, and after a short amount of time with some WD-40 and a cloth the engine looked like this...  This...  And this...  Which i think is far better than my previous, and frankly quite lazy effort of this... For the amount of time spent cleaning the engine i should've done that in the first place. I don't know why, but i just couldn't be bothered the day i took the original photos, and i think it shows. I also addressed the problem with the interior photos, and the sad looking seat headrests...   Which i think is an improvement on this... And in the back...   Which again is a vast improvement on the previous effort which showed the front seats looking like they'd been told off like a naughty child and were sulking about it! With the new interior and engine photos i figured in for a penny, in for a pound i might aswell take new photos of the exterior aswell, just so that the whole ad on fleabay looks fresh and new.  I'm not going to bore you with loads of photos of the outside of the Jag, but heres one of it's bum too!  There, i think that looks better doesn't it. And with more of alistairk's advice on selling a car on ebay still clanging away in my ears... put your car on a 10 day listing timed to end on a Sunday evening some time between 8 and 9 pm. This gives any potential viewers 2 weekends in which to come and view. Bruce is of the opinion that there is more browsing of eBay on a Sunday evening than any other day or time. I was determined to list it so that it ended in the right time frame, but by the time i'd finished editing and faffing around with my listing it was already a little bit past my deadline DAMMIT!! Meaning that my listing will actually end at 21:21:42 BST on Sunday 21 June 2015. Hopefully being twenty minutes or so late won't have too much of a detrimental effect on the final auction price, again, only time will tell! Anyway, here, as before is the link to the latest advert on ebay for the Jaguar:- www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151711212684?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 Please feel free to place a bid!  |
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Geordie
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Jun 12, 2015 19:27:26 GMT
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Now that, Sir, is a job well done. Engine bay looks fantastic, and good to see the seats seem more head-up and cheerful.
I loved my X-Type diesel. Did 13,000 trouble free miles in it between July and I think it was February when I sold it. Your advert made me think about buying another.
Good luck with the sale. It's already had 9 bids and stands at £560.
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Jun 12, 2015 19:32:35 GMT
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Thankyou, and you're right, you should buy another, buy mine, BUY MINE lol  |
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Jun 12, 2015 20:47:06 GMT
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Future reference you can select a start time so you can dictate your end time  ? New ad's a marked improvement over the others, should sell easily this time. What's with the rear wiper? Broke? |
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Jun 12, 2015 21:21:45 GMT
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I've often found listings ending after the 28th of the month do better, people living from payday to payday have newfound wealth, just before the mortgage payment goes out on the 1st-5th of the next month, with that said the risk of a no show increases- because they suddenly have a reality check that their wealth is to be short lived........
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Geordie
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Jun 20, 2015 20:27:47 GMT
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Twenty bids, none for a few days though. Currently at £1,020, there's 24 hours left. Fingers crossed there's a late rush in bids.
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'95 Rover 623SLi (65k miles)
'99 Renault Laguna Executive
'55 BMW 318i (52k miles) for sale
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What's with the rear wiper? Broke? Yep, broke, I didn't notice it before as I've not had to use the rear wiper yet, but after reading your comment I thought I'd try it today while I was out and about in it, but when I flicked the switch, nothing happened. On closer inspection I would say that the wiper motor is seized! Twenty bids, none for a few days though. Currently at £1,020, there's 24 hours left. Fingers crossed there's a late rush in bids. Hopefully it will get a few late bidders, I don't think I'm going to get anywhere near to getting my money back on it, but hopefully it'll make £1500 which will still mean I'm seriously out of pocket but what can I do? The funny thing is I'm also selling my non running motorbike project as well in order to soften the blow of the loss the Jaaaaaaaaaag makes. But the motorbike has loads of interest, and loads of bids, very odd. My friend, a car dealer reckons that if you put "spares or repairs" or "project" in the listing title you get more interest because people get caught up in a bidding frenzy because they think it will go cheaper and therefore once they've fixed it up they'll make good profit on it. Time will tell I guess, but let's just hope that by the end of the auction tomorrow the auction will be much higher... Keep everything crossed people! |
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Jun 21, 2015 23:13:37 GMT
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Good idea for a thread, hopefully it'll keep going despite the Jag loosing a bit of money?
We bought a 2006 VZ commodore wagon late last year.. Our cars have a longer wheelbase than the Omegas had, so they are a bit roomier. Ours has the 3.6 V6 and it goes pretty well and we get about 30mpg..
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MiataMark
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Twelve Cars In A Year!MiataMark
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The interior shots look much better, I might have been tempted to push the front seats forwards for the interior shots to make the legroom look more....
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Geordie
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Jun 22, 2015 18:01:55 GMT
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Well, £1,260 won't have had you throwing a party I'd imagine  |
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'99 Renault Laguna Executive
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Jun 22, 2015 22:14:50 GMT
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Oomph, bet that stung a bit. Looks like someone got a good car there, I expected it to fetch more, alas, once you start getting up toward the 200k miles, folk start to worry about big bills.
So what is next then ?
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Good idea for a thread, hopefully it'll keep going despite the Jag loosing a bit of money? A bit of money... So what esle can i say about the Jag? Well, it cost me £1800.13... When it didn't reach it's reserve the first time i listed it and it ended at just £1,445.00 i was tempted to let the winning bidder have it then, but i thought i might do better if i re-listed it with a lower reserve. The second listing also not meeting it's reserve and ending at just £1,120.00. I guess listing it without reserve got me an extra £140 so i shouldn't grumble even though that does make me £540 down! If i'd have just cut my losses on the first listing i would have still lost too much (£355) but it would be better than the loss i've made on the final listing of it. More car selling experience and an expensive lesson gained! We bought a 2006 VZ commodore wagon late last year.. Our cars have a longer wheelbase than the Omegas had, so they are a bit roomier. Ours has the 3.6 V6 and it goes pretty well and we get about 30mpg.. I must admit, i quite like the Holden Commodore, and oddly there's one that i'm watching on ebay, but theres no way i'll have it, it's too much money, and i'm struggling a bit at the moment as i'm sure you can imagine... The interior shots look much better, I might have been tempted to push the front seats forwards for the interior shots to make the legroom look more.... Again, this is something i would never have imagined to do, another trick of the trade that i just didn't know about. Well, more knowledge for the next listing i guess, thanks  Well, £1,260 won't have had you throwing a party I'd imagine Err, no, not exactly, but what can you do? I guess you either let it get to you, and dwell on it a bit, or you just suck it up and move on. Of course, i can't do this indefinately, but well just have to see how the next one goes i guess. Oomph, bet that stung a bit. Looks like someone got a good car there, I expected it to fetch more, alas, once you start getting up toward the 200k miles, folk start to worry about big bills. So what is next then ? Yep, i'll say, i expected it to go for a bit more too, but as was pointed out earlier in the thread somewhere, every time a car gets listed it goes for a bit less, i was worried that i'd only get about £800 for it at one point...  Still, i realised when i started this project that i probably wouldn't get my money back every time, but once in a while would be nice! I've not even broken even once yet! In the plus column though i shouldn't have much to worry about if HMRC come knocking! Also, if nothing else we've learned that a 2004 JAGUAR X-TYPE SE D Estate with roughly 8 months of MOT on it, and 184000 trouble free miles is worth approximately £1,260.00! The funny thing is as i was worried that i wouldn't get my money back for the Jaaaaaaaaaaaaag i decided to sell one of my Motorcycles, a non running Yamaha TW125 project.  There it is in all it's lovelyness. Now, i described this as a non running project of a bike with no keys or documents, i have never had this running, and infact it was one of those projects that i was going to get to "some day" but as i felt the Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag wasn't going to get my money back i figured that it was time to release the TW back into the wild in order to keep my toybox fund topped up, so that i can continue to play for a bit. What i found strange is that my perfectly good Jaguar X-type estate, thats all good and running and in a fit state to hit the Queens highway had 1064 page views, 69 watchers, and 24 bids. Not many people asked me any questions about it, and it didn't seem to have much interest in it, possibly because it's the third time it was listed, but i don't know. In contrast to the Jaguar, my unroadworthy, non running Yamaha TW project had 3794 page views, 197 watchers, and 37 bids, and i was constantly answering all sorts of questions about it, most of which had already been answered if the person who was asking the question had bothered to read the listing. I find the popularity of my bike to be very odd, don't get me wrong, they're a nice bike when they're all up together, and roadworthy, but mine isn't. I guess it's just a case of the bike is cheaper/easier to do up, and probably more likely to appeal to Dads who might want a project to do with their kids, i'm guessing it's more a case of just a different audience. Having said all that, the fella who bought the Jaguar has 334 ebay feedbacks and has been a member almost since the dawn of time, and the fella who has bought the bike is a new member, without any feedback... I have a feeling that the bike probably isn't sold, but i'll have to see! Incidentally, while i'm thinking about it, only one bidder has bid on the Jaguar every time it was listed, i would have thought that atleast two or three of the original bidders would have bid on it on every listing, unless of course the other bidders all found other cars instead, but i guess we'll never know. As for what's next... Patience friends... Patience... All will be revealed! Besides, i've not finished the write up about the Jaaaaaaaaaaaag yet. |
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in the hope that i will find new interest in the Jaguar. Other things i noticed about my two attempts to sell the Jaguar on fleabay were:-
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