cjhillman
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ChasR
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It'll be the quadrant at fault.
Ford I believe still sell them. Anembo do an alloy one which will never die again. It comes with its issues however. They are that you'll need a MkV clutch pedal with the allen screw adjuster and you'll lose the auto adjustment. It will however outlive the car and save you changing the hateful thing again.
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cjhillman
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Ahh thats interesting! i think if it means replacing the pedal i'll just buy a couple of quadrants (if its that £4 one anyway).
Is it a horrible task? I just looked at a picture on ebay of a mk3 clutch pedal and can see where it sits.
Also found this video of a mk5 quadrant change... he seems to be having a nightmare !!
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An old trick used to be stamp on the clutch pedal fast and hard to see if you can get the ratchet part of the quadrant to jump over the broken tooth to the next good one by temporarily stretching the clutch cable due to the speed and ferocity of the pedal action. I would only attempt this with the new quadrant to hand as it can just break the next tooth off and then you have no clutch. i used to take the steering wheel off, cover and one nut and remove the drivers seat, 4 bolts so you can lie on your back, feet on back seat and head in foot well gives you much better access to do the job, pry bar the lever on top of the gearbox back carefully un hook the cable, swap quadrant, set in slackest position and pry bar the lever back on gearbox and re-connect the cable, a bit awkward but easily a DIY job.
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ChasR
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Given how much of a pain they are to change the alloy one will soon look like a good option. It's easier to change them with the seat out, but it's still not a nice job.
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Norman
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Hi Chris, They are not too difficult to change if you are supple. I would change that as soon as you can. I had one in the 90's and when sitting at a road junction with the clutch down waiting for a gap in traffic the clutch would fully engage and I lurched into the road narrowly avoiding traffic. This happened on more than one occasion. Norman
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taurus
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I remember selling my last Escort fitted with one of these abominations and swearing never ever to buy another Ford. Even with genuine Ford rachets they lasted only about 6 months or so.
Fiddly to replace but not really difficult. I never took the seat out but then I was a bit younger back then and could twist and wriggle with more elegance. These days it would resemble a stranded walrus in the throes of agony if I attempted it.
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ChasR
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Hi Chris, They are not too difficult to change if you are supple. I would change that as soon as you can. I had one in the 90's and when sitting at a road junction with the clutch down waiting for a gap in traffic the clutch would fully engage and I lurched into the road narrowly avoiding traffic. This happened on more than one occasion. Norman it depends if you don't mind laying on your back in the footwell trying to do funny angles with your head whilst beneath the dashboard. I know the old school garages hate doing them here. I don't know of many people saying they're OK to change. Yes, it's simple but not where the location is.
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Did loads of these as a young mechanic in the 80's, not a hard job but awkward and like its been said before they don't last long, if you're planning on keeping the car for a while I'd go for the alloy update and forget about it doing them again.
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cjhillman
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Jun 28, 2021 18:20:20 GMT
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Just reviving this thread as I still have this Car and guess what... the quadrant is slipping and banging a lot again. I've bought two "new" ones off ebay and had a look yesterday about fitting it.... God it looks a pain in the ! ( I let a garage do it last time) So looking at the haynes it says unclip the clutch cable from the gearbox end, take off the pin from the end of the clutch pedal/any shims, Undo the cable from the pedal end and I guess it should all slide off? In the manual it mentions disconnecting the brake pedal from the servo rod and sliding both pedals out... I cant see why that would be necessary ?? It looks like just the clutch would come off on its own? Also, I didnt get stuck into it yesterday as I was having a nightmare getting access to the end pin due to the heater matrix air ducts. I'm considering doing this tomorrow or Wednesday but trying my best to not be without a working Car. Anything else I should know about getting this clutch pedal off? Thats my main concern, this pin at the end and dismantling too much or not enough to get the thing off.
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ChasR
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Jun 28, 2021 19:30:48 GMT
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Last Edit: Jun 28, 2021 19:31:00 GMT by ChasR
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cjhillman
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Jul 27, 2021 15:32:14 GMT
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Alright , finally tackling this myself. God what a horrible job!! I've had it all apart, out on the table but refiting it is a nightmare . I took the seat out too. 1) Mainly getting the return spring in the pedal and the quadrant on the cross shaft at the same time... that seems an impossible task. I can get it all together without that spring but can't get it on the pedal at that point. I tried with pliers behind the pedal but, it aint happening. 2) also I don't think the end of the clutch cable will fit in the end of the new quadrant. It seems slightly smaller than the old one. I guess i'm going to have to modify it. Lastly the old quadrant pawl would slip over the quadrant teeth and ratchet all the way down. This new White one only ratchets a few teeth then gets stuck... is that because its new or is it the wrong size? This is the first time I've ever messed with one so not idea. I've been at this hours now so lying down absolutely spent. had it all together about 3 times then realised something wasnt right or i'd missed something. The white one is the new one.
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