ZXRob
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Jul 11, 2019 21:18:41 GMT
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If it is like my escort then standing doesn't do them any good. I went to look at mine and it didn't start but had been sat since December and the guy said it hadn't ran since April. I did the aforementioned brake cleaner start then left it running. I then bought it and came back two days later and it started first time and has done ever since. Mine was also the same in that the line to the pump was dry and no fuel came up it (it has an inline filter so you can see) Before you go spending on pumps and that then I would hire the services of the glamorous assistant again and give it a whirl. If it doesn't start on brake cleaner/easy start then you know that you also have an ignition problem.
It's time like these I wish I lived around the corner from everybody!
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Jul 11, 2019 22:20:39 GMT
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While you're fiddling around with the carb, it's worth reinstating the return to the tank that's got the bolt in it. Someone mentioned the return (which seems to go back under the car ) is the higher pipe you can see on the left ?
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Jul 12, 2019 11:18:40 GMT
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Its alive!!! Cheers ZXRob !!! bought a can of easy start from halfords and it fired right up! I took the bottom pipe off the fuel pump and it poured out! after that took the top of the K&N off and blasted a bit of easy start in there!!
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ZXRob
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Jul 12, 2019 14:03:14 GMT
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Its alive!!! Cheers ZXRob !!! bought a can of easy start from halfords and it fired right up! I took the bottom pipe off the fuel pump and it poured out! after that took the top of the K&N off and blasted a bit of easy start in there!! I thought that would be the case. Give it a bit of a run until it's up to temp and then try starting it normally tomorrow.
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Jul 12, 2019 16:36:35 GMT
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Its alive!!! Cheers ZXRob !!! bought a can of easy start from halfords and it fired right up! I took the bottom pipe off the fuel pump and it poured out! after that took the top of the K&N off and blasted a bit of easy start in there!! That's why I recommend ensuring the fuel return is reconnected. Having owned 10(11? 12? - something like that) Capris, I've found that they always start better after standing with it working. Fitting the EFI from a Sierra or Granada is also worthwhile, if you can find it these days.
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Jul 12, 2019 18:47:56 GMT
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Its alive!!! Cheers ZXRob !!! bought a can of easy start from halfords and it fired right up! I took the bottom pipe off the fuel pump and it poured out! after that took the top of the K&N off and blasted a bit of easy start in there!! That's why I recommend ensuring the fuel return is reconnected. Having owned 10(11? 12? - something like that) Capris, I've found that they always start better after standing with it working. Fitting the EFI from a Sierra or Granada is also worthwhile, if you can find it these days. Thats fair enough. i will sort this out in the very near future. i thought it was already connected but maybe its connected the wrong way round as i said before the pipe above the capped off pipe is the return at the moment.
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Jul 12, 2019 18:55:00 GMT
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I'm turning my attention to the Temp, Fuel & Oil gauges now as the dash is still apart so if i need to pull the clocks this would be a good time i guess. My dials look like this when the ignition or car is on (Fuel rises from nothing to full, I have been keeping the tank full but when i got the car it wasnt full but still the same) I don't really know what I'm doing but i pulled the connections off the tank and it didnt rise. I was told to short these two connections together and see what the gauge does, is that right? My assistant is out of town till late tomorrow late so i couldn't try this. I cleaned up the terminals and put some copper slip on them, connecters back on... no change. I checked the voltage while they were disconnected, ignition on and it read 4.88v not sure if this tells anything other than its sending some voltage although is this the correct voltage ? I wanted to pull off the temp gauge and ground this to see if the gauge moved (i think this is the right test?) but cant get it off at the moment, it just keeps spinning round so i'll try it again tomorrow. Lastly with the oil... someone has disconnected this in the past. Something seems to be missing between the sender unit and the pipe or, they're the wrong unit to pipe?? Once these are working i'll be happy to take it out and about.
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Jul 12, 2019 19:00:46 GMT
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Jul 12, 2019 19:10:30 GMT
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That fitting looks about right; what is in your engine is a low pressure sender for a warning light.
Your fuel gauge sender is probably knackered. Pull it out, and work the float up and down with an ohm meter connected across it. The reading should change, I bet it doesn't
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I see! i wonder why thats in there!! I know i don't know a lot (as we can tell) but who ever owned this car somewhere down the line really did some strange things. then again its had a few owners!
Will look up in the haynes getting the sender out of the tank to test it. I'm guessing its more difficult with a full tank though?
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westycapri
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Hi
Love this car its great. I've a 2.0s so used to the joy of the dash gauges being temperamental.
Your right with the temp gauge just ground the end and see if it moves to the top. If it does it's probably the sensor that is knackered.
Before you go pulling out the tank do the above as if it it doesn't rise still and doesn't work it could also be a faulty voltage regulator on the back of the clocks. That will effect both the fuel and temp gauges
Also thinking about the oil pressure fixing maybe someone has converted it to a six pod dash from the more simple dash or the engine could of been swapped in without the pressure sensor being swapped over. That would explain why the oil sensor is different on the engine. I don't know any other reason why the sensor wouldn't match.
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Jul 15, 2019 18:34:42 GMT
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Well! it alive!! turns out the tank terminals were the wrong way around and the temp gauge works by grounding it! talking to Martin from Capri gear its must be wired wrong too so I might be able to save the temp sender unit once i correct it. ordered the correct oil unit from Martin at the same time so fingers crossed by latest next week it'll all be working. Added a inline filter pre carb too ( i know its missing a jubilee clip at the moment)
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Jul 15, 2019 20:05:38 GMT
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That's a great result!
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Jul 15, 2019 20:22:28 GMT
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A lick of paint on that rocker cover would cheer up that engine bay no end.
Glad your working through the issues.
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A lick of paint on that rocker cover would cheer up that engine bay no end. Glad your working through the issues. Thinking of going for classic blue when I get round to it .
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Jul 16, 2019 19:15:56 GMT
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Good result to get them working
Like others have said. If it was mine
I’d Paint the rocker cover Paint the fan a bright colour Gets some coloured plug leads Replace the wash bottle Pipe work with clear or colour tube Paint the servo black Polish the tube that come from the servo to the engine bay
Would transform the engine bay.
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Jul 17, 2019 17:36:52 GMT
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Decided it was time to be brave, re-tax it and hit the road! Since changing the wheels i noticed the other day when turning it around the clicking has stopped... maybe the old wide wheels were too much for it. Initially all was not well at all as dials, lights and indicators stopped working. Turns out to be a dodgy fuse bit of wiggling around and they all came back to life I i've got a CD player working so naturally went for a cruise listening to the Eagles haha Turns out its about twice as long as my girlfriends Aygo. Need to test this with a multimeter and make sure the wires are the right way around! knowing this car it could be that but the dash lights still don't work and drivers side, sidelights front and back plus the numberplate lights. When i returned as was messing about under the bonnet i noticed after a while of standing bubbles appearing in the fuel filter i added. Is this normal? i can see any signs of a leak on the floor and once it was running / immediately stopped it wasn't doing it. In a week i'll probably book it in with my local garage (used to old fords ) as i want to brakes to be checked over and maybe i'll order some braided hoses. I would do this myself i'm pretty sure i could do it but i don't like the idea of jacking the car up at the rear as i'm concerned with the age of the springs and it becoming unstable on my little halfords 2 ton jack. If it fell i'd be in a world of pain so maybe i'll spend on this. Might sound a bit soft but i should drive it before bad weather kicks in. Re last comment I definitely want the engine bay to look cleaner and will take this onboard. I'll get some black hamerite for the servo as i want to do some patches underneath too. With the Fan and the Rocker Cover... what paint do people use for hot surfaces?
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Jul 21, 2019 20:30:17 GMT
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Update:
A bit gutted today as i swapped over the new sender unit for the temp gauge and oil pipe union to replace the old electronic sender unit... I found out very quickly when i was at a set of lights why the oil presser union had been swapped... oil all over my feet and running down the dash. luckily i wasnt too far so was able to walk back and put the old unit back in. i guess someone was using it as a blanking plug. The pressure seemed good though, the gauge was at half and when i gassed it went a little bit above. I'm guessing this is better than being at the bottom haha!
The temp gauge still doesnt work but i also havent probably got the best connection on it yet as its only being held on the unit by one screw on the end. Sorry for the lack of pics !
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Jul 22, 2019 10:50:25 GMT
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Normal spray paint will be fine for the cam cover. Just rub it down well, prime it and then spray. A decent clear laquer afterwards will help keep it good. Also, it can't help that your fuse box lid is missing. Can't be helping the electric issues you are having. Ask Martin if he has a spare one?
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Jul 22, 2019 12:02:47 GMT
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Normal spray paint will be fine for the cam cover. Just rub it down well, prime it and then spray. A decent clear laquer afterwards will help keep it good. Also, it can't help that your fuse box lid is missing. Can't be helping the electric issues you are having. Ask Martin if he has a spare one? even better replace it with a modern bladed one, those pointy ceramic things were always source of pain when I had escorts.
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