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May 15, 2020 19:53:37 GMT
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Not keen on cheap oil I actually use Mercedes own brand stuff as the price is reasonable enough and I know the quality is decent
When I was 16 I did a weeks work experience in a Garage and MOT centre ( I won’t mention any names but they are long gone) When we did a service no matter what car it was all the Engine oil came from the same 200litre drum, when I asked the mechanic I was working with what grade oil it was all he said was “Unipart multi“ I said to him “Don’t you have to use a special oil in Diesel engines” To which he replied “you ask to many fxxxxing questions kid”
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Last Edit: May 15, 2020 19:54:13 GMT by time
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May 15, 2020 19:59:59 GMT
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My work experience was the same, one big barrel, 60k car or 20 year old truck, same oil. Guy I use will only use manufacturer's recommended oil, tells the customer up front it may be pricey, if they want it cheap he tells them to find someone else. Hes got barrels and bottles of everything in his garage.
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ferny
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May 15, 2020 20:59:14 GMT
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The supermarket oil will, without question, meet its claimed specifications. It just will. However, it is normally reclaimed oil. This means that although it will meet the specifications, that's pretty much all it will do. As an example, I can cover 100m whilst running. Therefore I am a 100m sprinter. Usain Bolt can also do that. Who would you put your money on to do a better job? The supermarket oil will be fine for topping up between changes or used in a light use engine. I wouldn't use it in any other way. But then, I won't use Comma or Triple QX either... Or Castrol or Mobil. I'm slightly fussy. 😉 Go on, Ferny; I'll bite. What's up with Castrol or Mobil then? And what do you rate? Nothing all that interesting really! Castrol - one of their chemists told me to avoid them. That was good enough warning for me despite using Magnetic for years at the time. Mobil - I was on the cusp of stripping the Mazda engine due to top end noises until I got into conversation with a colleague who remarked their Insignia was also noisy on Mobil. On the next change I used Fusch and the noise went away. Shell, Gulf, Millers and Fusch (Silkolene) have always resulted in good experiences, but I'm always open to trying new stuff.
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Jem45
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May 15, 2020 21:10:55 GMT
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Go on, Ferny; I'll bite. What's up with Castrol or Mobil then? And what do you rate? Nothing all that interesting really! Castrol - one of their chemists told me to avoid them. That was good enough warning for me despite using Magnetic for years at the time. Mobil - I was on the cusp of stripping the Mazda engine due to top end noises until I got into conversation with a colleague who remarked their Insignia was also noisy on Mobil. On the next change I used Fusch and the noise went away. Shell, Gulf, Millers and Fusch (Silkolene) have always resulted in good experiences, but I'm always open to trying new stuff. I stress about this stuff and then I think... I only keep a car for about 6 months usually. I should just get down to Lidl
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Carbs 'n chrome
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vader
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I use valvoline VR1 in the Stag. Has a good ZDDP rating which I’m told is good for the cam buckets.
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A few things that I have observed over the years, Older style engines do need the correct weight oil, like 20/50... not 10/20 the running in period with older engines should not be done with syn, because of its better lube capabilities the cast bore tend to glaze, rather than bed in, Remember ,modern engines do not have cast bores, they are treated bores which do not really need running in, Older engines oil pumps do not cope well with lower viscosity oils, and give low oil pressure, Older, meaning 60s and 70s engines mostly rely on Higher volume to lube as their machining tolerances are generally not as good than the modern CNC machined engines, so lower viscosity will get round a modern easier
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In case people are not aware you can usually find the manufacturers own oil on ebay for very reasonable prices .
Seen GM/SAAB , Renault . Ford etc on there.
In my case the Renault oil is cheaper than ok oil from halfords or ecp .
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keyring
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May 16, 2020 10:30:24 GMT
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I think as others have said, it really depends on what you're doing with the car and budget as well I guess...
Personally I've never used supermarket oil, and doubt I would, but for a couple hundred quid winter beater, to me it doesn't matter, but if it's a car you plan to keep or take care of, i'd be buying a reputable brand oil for it, especially anything with a turbo or performance orientated...
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ChasR
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May 16, 2020 12:46:32 GMT
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Typical attitude it seems, in many walks of life, is that 'Cheapest is always Best'. . . . . . . yeah, course it is . . . . I guess my evidence was purely luck then?
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May 16, 2020 14:22:33 GMT
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Supermarket oil is very good for doing a flush on an engine that has been neglected. There is much less risk of ending up with block oil galleries than with an engine flush. I'd never run it long term though just for a 20 mile drive to clean the engine before dumping it and putting decent oil in.
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May 16, 2020 16:03:01 GMT
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Ive always used GMs own brand oil, most of mine have only ever had 10/40 semi synthetic which is whats recommended by GM for my models and 20ltr drums are normally about £38.00 on trade club
The 3.0 24v Carlton has done nearly 400,000 miles on the stuff so it must be ok!
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Phil H
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May 16, 2020 16:08:38 GMT
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curse word - already bought about 20 litres of the Tesco fully synthetic to use where a semi is specified. To be fair it’s for the sprint car (MX5 engine) so will do maybe a couple hundred miles tops between changes.
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Last Edit: May 16, 2020 16:10:22 GMT by Phil H
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May 16, 2020 18:58:57 GMT
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I was expecting mixed opinions to be honest and didn't think it was going to be towards using supermarket. Never use their fuel other than occasional Tesco 99 in thr T5.
The only time I've used supermarket oil was in a Rover 75 diesel, fully synth stuff from Asda. Seemed okay, and was cheap.
I usually use triple qx or Miller's. I've got some for the service anyway just delivered, probably just use the Tesco stuff for a flush, it's been parked up for three months and at 200k might as well.
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May 16, 2020 22:52:06 GMT
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It strikes me that whatever oil you choose, somebody will tell you how wrong you are.
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Like with anything in life it is about balance and common sense. some people will (usually blindly) spend money needlessly on what they believe to be better quality but in reality isn't and then some will pay less regardless of quality- both ends of the spectrum and neither meeting the objective, ultimately. Supermarket brands will meet minimum requirements, won't wreck your engine (as far as I'm aware no multiple lawsuits) and as said above are going to better than the oil that's in it- but then don't believe everything you read from either side-by-side they all have an agenda.. and that includes the marketing wibblepoo you see on expensive brands like Miller's nanodrive- yes I have used it and it's a good quality oil but not for daily driving, that's where a cheaper oil would actually do a better job for your needs vs expensive in my opinion I always use fully synthetic and change oil regularly and get the correct weight for the job, that's the key for me. CAstrol, Millers, Fuchs/silkolene, Shell, Mannol, Liqui Moly and Gulf are the only brands I've ever used based on my needs for the car. There's very little real world difference between the ones mentioned and the (good) cheaper ones in my view but I've pretty much always owned turbo cars so I've always wanted to put what I personally see as quality oil so because of their baseline spec, I've never bought Tesco and always thought it was worth paying more. BUT if you've got a cheapo daily runner/eco or see cars as an A-B then Tesco oils will be perfectly adequate and anybody saying otherwise are talking out their and blindly follow marketing and price point likely without realizing that Tesco oil is possibly made by their favourite brand. Let's put it this way don't for one minute think QX or any other motor factor oil is going to be any better.. Don't think that Toyota type iv at 50 quid for 5ltrs is going to be better than Mannols version at half the price about then also don't believe if you've got a high performance engine that 15 quid oil is going to be as efficient, contain the same esters and detergents as a 40-50 quid GOOD oil, there's some that just go off their rep and use The same ingredients as those you'll find with a Tesco label on though. The point is if you're just going to judge a product on price and the judgement of people who do the same then you're going to have a delusional perception of quality... Do you research and then decide what YOU need for your car.
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Phil H
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Unless something has changed overnight Tesco don’t make their own oil - it’s made for them by one of “the others”. Shell used to make stuff for Halfords for example.
Question is who?
Chances are they’re flogging it off so cheap because the new batch from a different third party is on its way through the supply chain. Or they’re changing the label...
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Found this from a few years ago TESCO'S MOTOR OIL. :according to the wonders of Google its made by Comma who supposedly make Halfords oil too:
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I was informed that all Halfords oil as said above is manufactured by comma oils
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Phil H
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Fair enough - that’ll do me.
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vitesseefi
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Regular changes help a lot on anything. Long-life oil is the devils work intended to drive fleet servicing costs down. It’s a sales tool. Certainly doesn’t equate to long engine life.
The insides of my 330k A6 TDI which has had oil changes at 6 - 10k intervals throughout are far cleaner than her 80k TT which was on long life schedule for its first 40k ( just two changes)
A6 has used either VW Quantum 10/40 semi-synthetic or Triple QX 10/40 semi synthetic. TT gets Triple WX 10/30 fully synthetic now and seems happy enough on it.
The Triumphs usually get VR1 or one of the Millers classic oils.
Nick
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