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Jul 19, 2020 16:57:57 GMT
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my latest daily was from gumtree off an Eastern European chap, most straight forward car purchase ever. I've sold on owners clubs, auto trader but mainly ebay. If you're in no hurry for the cash and the car is common then ebay has been fine for me. I'll accept a viewing if I'm going to be home anyway. Just ignore the idiots.
Put my imprezza on the owners forum and had calls within ten minutes, sold it on the second caller. Bloke said he'd send me a deposit. I said turn up with the money and you can have it, I don't want to hold the deposit of someone I've never met, I'll keep my bank details to myself.
Line viewings up on the same day and tell all viewers that's what's happening. I was on my way to buy car and the bloke called and said it was gone, not a problem as he said he had viewings before me.
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cjj
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Jul 19, 2020 21:58:50 GMT
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Tbf every Eastern European person I’ve dealt with have been spot on, I’ve bought and sold a couple of Mercs to them, I’d guess it’s much the same as any person In life Either a total timewaster or a decent honest buyer I’m definitely advertising my astra on car and classic and classic car weekly once my log book arrives My previous car was bought by a Polish couple and it went quite straightforward - this just seemed a bit odd. I would say they either didn't want it before they'd arrived (despite seeming enthusiastic) or just wanted to see what the actual car (as in, Make/Model) was like. Either way, didn't seem at all interested in buying or interacting in any way. Not one native has shown interest yet - seems to be very much continentals so far.
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cjj
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This is much the kind of experience I have on Facebook:
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Jul 20, 2020 10:49:17 GMT
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At least he's polite.
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cjj
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Jul 20, 2020 10:57:10 GMT
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True, in words at least. I went to university with a lot of Indian/African students (we had a high foreign intake) and it can be quite strange, because being 'polite' is almost a mannerism and doesn't necessarily always mean they are being polite. E.g. although the sentence has a polite structure, it is contextually impolite. I imagine it has some sort of transcendence from empirical rule somewhere, not sure. A bit like 'Please get out of my way'
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Last Edit: Jul 20, 2020 10:57:46 GMT by cjj
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Jul 20, 2020 18:33:16 GMT
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i don’t ever get into offers before someone has seen it. I normally say if you are expecting to turn up and offer 1/2 what it’s advertised then don’t waste your time as I won’t accept it.
I’ve also had issues with people winning on eBay, then turning up and trying the knock the price down. You just have to be VERY firm. I had one guys ‘mate’ turn up to collect who tried to knock it down while he was on the phone to him. In the end I asked to speak to him and said ‘you either pay the agreed price, or I sell it to someone else and your friend gets off my property’. I handed the phone back...something was mumbled and the cash came out!
I can see why some people hate selling cars. Weirdly I kinda like it haha
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Jul 20, 2020 19:01:58 GMT
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I’ve also had issues with people winning on eBay, then turning up and trying the knock the price down. You just have to be VERY firm. I had one guys ‘mate’ turn up to collect who tried to knock it down while he was on the phone to him. In the end I asked to speak to him and said ‘you either pay the agreed price, or I sell it to someone else and your friend gets off my property’. I handed the phone back...something was mumbled and the cash came out! I had that with 2 gents that came from London to pickup my Hilux, had agreed price with the buyer already. They tried haggling (I'm guessing they would have kept the difference) so I told them they can either pay the agreed price or drive their recovery wagon back to London empty. Safe to say they quickly paid
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cjj
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Jul 20, 2020 20:20:52 GMT
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i don’t ever get into offers before someone has seen it. I normally say if you are expecting to turn up and offer 1/2 what it’s advertised then don’t waste your time as I won’t accept it. I’ve also had issues with people winning on eBay, then turning up and trying the knock the price down. You just have to be VERY firm. I had one guys ‘mate’ turn up to collect who tried to knock it down while he was on the phone to him. In the end I asked to speak to him and said ‘you either pay the agreed price, or I sell it to someone else and your friend gets off my property’. I handed the phone back...something was mumbled and the cash came out! I can see why some people hate selling cars. Weirdly I kinda like it haha I had that when I was in uni. I rebuilt a '90 Honda NS125R 2T from a bit of a snotter into a nice supersport replica. Had to put it on ebay because I was being turfed out by the landlady (had no family to fall back on). A local lad turned up and was desperate for it, but I let the auction run. It sold for £800 or so and I was including a big tub of spares. Two properly interbred looking brothers turned up and tried to knock me down. I refused. He went on a test run and came back complaining it was too slow and something was wrong with it, but he had left the choke on full the whole time I don't think the poor bike lasted long. I used to enjoy it but had some really bad experiences selling. I hate it now. I mostly hate people, and you have to sell cars to them, so that's probably it
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Jul 20, 2020 21:19:21 GMT
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Sometimes when you first get into the car hobby Complete messers can teach you vital lessons in life and how to take some people’s “honesty” My lad has being playing with his own cars since he was 14 Last year when he was just 16 a fella offered £200 under what he wanted for one of his cars, I convinced him to accept it and I would help him to buy his next project I guess most know where this is going......total timewaster kept him on a string for a week But it turned out for the better he got his full asking price a few weeks later But he is now quite a good judge of character and doesn’t suffer fools , much Like my dad taught me This is all part of our hobby unfortunately, but I still get a kick out of buying and selling older cars some 37 years after I bought my first car
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Last Edit: Jul 20, 2020 21:19:53 GMT by Mercdan68
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Jul 20, 2020 22:15:05 GMT
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Currently I am looking to buy a new-to-me car, possibly retro, possibly modern...
Almost every ebay ad I click on is a scam! Seems you can tell by the location "United Kingdom, United Kingdom" and a photo with an email address in it. Only one or two photos, usually
What's the actual scam? Take multiple deposits then scarper? Phishing for your bank details?
Apologies to any genuine sellers I've described, but if you think this is the way to sell a car, you're a plum!!!
Are there really people who fall for this?
Why can't these people just work for a living!
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cjj
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Jul 22, 2020 19:31:43 GMT
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I've asked for some clarification, but I was a bit baffled by this: On first glance I thought it was a "I'm interested but I'm going away, can I view prior to that", but I'm assuming perhaps they think I'm selling a spaceship. Answers on a postcode while I wait for clarification.
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Jul 22, 2020 20:26:23 GMT
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he claims to live far away and somehow thinks you should lower the price to entice him to travel to you.
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cjj
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Jul 22, 2020 21:39:46 GMT
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he claims to live far away and somehow thinks you should lower the price to entice him to travel to you. Ah, that fits. I did ask for clarification but just got an offer of 15% less than what I'm asking. I'm not particularly keen on the concept of that, as it often ends up being the new starting point for haggling if/when they turn up.
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TessierAshpool
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Jul 23, 2020 10:47:44 GMT
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Someone offering a price before they've even seen the vehicle is something I've had quite a bit. I suggest they come and see the car and then we can discuss what they think it's worth, and then usually they are never heard from again...
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cjj
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Jul 23, 2020 11:56:24 GMT
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Someone offering a price before they've even seen the vehicle is something I've had quite a bit. I suggest they come and see the car and then we can discuss what they think it's worth, and then usually they are never heard from again... I partially understand it - if you have a budget of £1500 and a car is up for £1750, you don't necessarily want to travel 150 miles for the seller to not budge, so it's fair to sound that out. I think the nuance is, however, that a fair and serious person would normally make various enquiries or additional comments first. E.g. "Does it need any work doing? Does everything work? Are the tyres ok?" [seller provides details] "Based on the car being as described, I'd would be happy to pay £1500 - is this something you'd consider" Not: "Hi what is the lowest you would take" (irritates everyone. I normally ask 'what is the highest you will pay?') or "You are asking too much. I will offer 1500" or "I am coming from a long distance so can only offer 1500" (smacks of 'I expect you to pay for my geographical limitation') So I'm not against the pre-viewing haggle, but I'm very much against amending the asking price prior to haggling.
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Jul 23, 2020 13:04:16 GMT
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I have negotaited the sale price a few times before they have seen the car (I always advertise a fair bit higher than I want lol) so when they do come and view there is no further negotiation (that said I have done but that was because an issue had happened in the mean time) That way they get to haggle & I get how much I actually want. These have all been people traveling 1hrs + to view, saves wasting either of our time - 90% have left with the car
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cjj
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Jul 24, 2020 21:45:30 GMT
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Scores on the doors in the end:
Car and Classic - not one enquiry (don't think anyone even looked at it, no idea) Facebook - lots and lots of creepy/weird/scammy looking people. I deleted the ad twice because of the messages I was getting. Gumtree - mostly as above, but lots of odd ones where someone was really interested, but then changed their mind within 30 mins. eBay - quite a bit of interest, lower threshold of odd folk.
So yeah, eBay was £20 or so, but seemed to be more effective than the other options.
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Last Edit: Jul 25, 2020 8:42:52 GMT by cjj
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Jul 25, 2020 11:22:50 GMT
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You guys are reading far too much into the psychology of selling these vehicles.
Unless they're gold plated and unique, then they have a price, and that price is the difference is probably between what you would like for it and what the buyer is willing to pay for it.
I have dealt with most people now when buying and selling vehicles, from higher end to low end. If the person is genuinely interested then you can do a deal. If they're a low-baller, then you have to politely reject them. Just have to hope you don't get the psycho, but they were probably a psycho before you met them and will be a psycho after you meet them.
I always like to have a phone chat with the person who's coming to look at the car so you can give them the reality check on what it is they're coming to look at and find out a bit about their expectations, so you don't waste your time.
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cjj
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Jul 25, 2020 19:16:42 GMT
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You guys are reading far too much into the psychology of selling these vehicles. Unless they're gold plated and unique, then they have a price, and that price is the difference is probably between what you would like for it and what the buyer is willing to pay for it. I have dealt with most people now when buying and selling vehicles, from higher end to low end. If the person is genuinely interested then you can do a deal. If they're a low-baller, then you have to politely reject them. Just have to hope you don't get the psycho, but they were probably a psycho before you met them and will be a psycho after you meet them. I always like to have a phone chat with the person who's coming to look at the car so you can give them the reality check on what it is they're coming to look at and find out a bit about their expectations, so you don't waste your time. There's nothing to read too much into - it's a superficial observation of a superficial thing. Some people are dreamers/time-wasters/troublemakers. Depending on the platform, you'll just get a fair share of strange people. Some people don't want to talk by phone, they'll be adamant on sticking to Facebook/Gumtree/Text Message, so it makes it hard. I've sold £400 cars (Ka) before and had people go psychotic because they found a bit of paint that wasn't original, or the brakes being a bit spongey. I've sold £400 cars (Volvo 480, remember them?) that the owner didn't give a hoot about and just wanted a snotter to chuck the dogs in. £400 is a lot of money to a lot, and not a lot to others, and expectations can be wildly different. Basically, I feel over time I've learnt to try and spot more of the former than the latter (it's not worth selling a used car to some people who will expect it to be brand new for scrap money). Equally, selling a car for 10 times that becomes a nightmare if you get someone from column A. My biggest concern in this case, though, is that I was selling something that is specifically targeted for Catalytic Converter thefts, so I wanted to swerve anyone that seemed remotely strange in the concern that they were just sniffing out my address.
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I took an offer on the Astra I’m selling on here And other places Accepted the offer ...no contact since Then this morning I took a call via car and classic Lot of questions ...then “I’ve got to speak to the wife”” Made me laugh out loud
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Last Edit: Jul 26, 2020 9:38:25 GMT by Mercdan68
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