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I'll make no bones about it I'm not one for heavily modified motors especially the stuff with wheels that don't fit , stuff that scrapes the floor, acute camber angles that ensure that only 10% of the tyre contacts the road and generally stuff that's been chopped & messed around with to what I consider a excess - it all much too often sets me thinking that the owners suffer from a 'vanity attention seeking deficiency' or it's done in a stubborn 'I'm doing it just because I can' - I realise it sets a scene & carries support from like minded individuals but it constantly reminds of the fashion shows with catwalk models paraded up & down dressed in a outfit made from a cardboard box, a black bin liner and decorated in used tea bags that were washed in a dew pond 'Just because they can' I fully appreciate it takes all sorts in society - carried amongst the all sorts a wide and varied range of tastes, styles & likings and I for one don't expect everyone to like or appreciate the type of motors that floats my boat & ticks my boxes - some of it is pretty standard stuff, some of it quite rare and a little bit of it mildly modified with taste So returning to my original heading 'I don't appreciate modified motors much' - I spotted this last night Now my own view & opinions on what I like & don't like - doesn't mean I cant appreciate the time, commitment, dedication, expense & vision that someone has gone to in order to produce the end result - and this has an abundance of every factor that I've just listed and a whole lot more - this particular vehicle is currently for sale too for a fraction of the original build cost www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1252436So for the third time in this post I'm going to quote 'I don't appreciate modified motors much' - However I could readily find a home for this in my fleet
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Last Edit: Aug 7, 2020 12:32:17 GMT by Deleted
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duncanmartin
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The engine bay is super clean, the interior is really nice, and all the running gear sounds like it's done properly. However, that roof is a work of art. Wow.
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I like allsorts...i appreciate the work that goes into stuff...but that misses the mark for me. Front end and wheels really ruin it but it certainly is an eyecatching moggy.
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'80 s1 924 turbo..hibernating '80 golf gli cabriolet...doing impression of a skip '97 pug 106 commuter...continuing cheapness making me smile!
firm believer in the k.i.s.s and f.i.s.h principles.
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I really like that. Apart from the wheels, they just don't suit it.
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Paul Y
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I like it apart from the wheels. A huge amount of work gone into that and the more you look at it the more you see. Can see why it ticks your boxes Mr Grumpy. P.
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cjj
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I really like that. Apart from the wheels, they just don't suit it. Yep. Reminds me of the 3rd F&F film where they put the skyline engine in the Mustang, and fit an awful set of wheels on it that don't match
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Overall I really like it, but it could do with different wheels, and as much as I like the front end treatment, Id love to see that woodwork treatment on a more standard minor.
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I really like that. Apart from the wheels, they just don't suit it. You see you've just hit the nail on the head 'it takes all sorts' - For me I look at the rigid oblong type spokes and consider the likeness and symmetry that follows the same block profile of the woodwork frame down the side of the car - they also mirror the wood slating on the underside of the roof and in my eyes they suit the car perfectly - I take the round slightly oval profile of the headlights and how they follow the similar radius profile of the windscreen radius corners - then the custom fabricated grille that slightly copies the overall profile of the windscreen - I'll shut up now before you get the impression that my real day job is that of a art critic for 'The Observer'
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Last Edit: Aug 7, 2020 10:33:37 GMT by Deleted
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All the wood has been beautifully crafted and is a work of art. One of my pet hates however is modern car seats in classics. Overall it's a very nice job though.
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There are certain motors that I really don't "get". I don't understand the whole "as low as you can go" (unless on air or hydraulics), I don't get bodykits and stretched tyres make me feel ill. I can however, like Chris, appreciate how much work goes in to some of the amazing cars we see on here.
That Minor is a work of art in places,but why those wheels, and why 17s? It doesn't need them. Bigger is not necessarily better. 15" banded steels though with Baby Moons? Yes please!
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I like it too, not the wheels
And as Chris says, loads of money spent on it.
Actually looked at it for price and realised I do not need it £17k’s worth.
Love the detail in the roof too.
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I too like it apart from the wheels. The front is a little odd, I think the front is too flat to work with the Mercedes headlights. I've seen beetles use those headlights and they look really good, as it already matches the shape of the front end.
Beautiful nonetheless
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I like modified cars.
Some of the rarer models should be left alone, unless they were modified in the period and then they shouldn't be put back to the earlier version. Some exceptions to that... The Chrisman Coupe ( a famous old Bonneville LRS racer ) was restored by Art Chrisman after a well known customiser had done a lot of damage to it.
Same with the Futura concept car. A amazing concept car built by Ghia at enormous expense, and also ( like the Chrisman Coupe ) turned into a TV show prop ( in the care of the same customiser. This car hasn't been brought back to its former glory, but hopefully at some point it will be...
On the other hand.
The Morrari ( a low light Morris Minor body on a Vette powered Ferrari single seater chassis) was, and so was the Pat Hoare GTO ( a fiberglass 2 seater also on a Ferrari single seater chassis) To me, those cars should have been preserved in modified form. Because they had continous history, and in the Hoare GTO's case Enzo knew about it, sold parts to do the conversion, and commented on its performance ( he said it was the fastest street driven Ferrari at the time ) But big money won and it seems to me the car world lost a little bit by that.
Hopefully the same will not happen to Jeffries' Manta Ray which has a Maserati single seater chassis ( one of the cars that featured in the Kirk Douglas film " the racers ")
To me, the best styles of modified cars are based on race cars and types of racing, because form follows function, and the stopwatch doesn't lie. ( unless it gets too cartoonish like Bosozoku cars )
( although to be honest, I'm building a car right now that will have a lot of ugly Aero on it, which I plan to use on the track )
All that said, whoever's name is on the title gets to decide what the car should be. ( specially if its not an ultra rare car to begin with)
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stealthstylz
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This is why this place works so well. I'm probably the complete opposite of you, as there are 3 "manufacturer" cars in existence that I wouldn't modify the appearance of if I had the opportunity (early DeTomaso Pantera, Lamborghini Miura and Jag D Type). Everything else would be fair game. I'm pretty sure if I won big on the Euro Millions I'd become the most hated man in the world in classic car circles.
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I think my main problem with the wheels is I don't like them, like some people don't like venoms, some don't like minilights. To me a car customised like that needs wheels that suit the style, like these or big steels, but then the bodywork would need to be a little more standard, to me its the wood thats the real feature of that car. Having said that picking at someones wheel choice is a bit iffy when its something thats easily changed. I can see what grumpy can see in the wheels and how they suit it, i just think they are a bit marmite. When it comes to what cars can and cant be modified, if a car has lasted well for 40 or 50 years and is in good condition without being restored, then its a crying shame to do anything to it. Other than that, I'm happy to see anything modified, I'm all for seeing something I havnt seen before. And if a car has been restored or resprayed, then its already been taken to bits once, wouldnt hurt to do it again. If its your own property then it wouldnt hurt to make it what you want, and get out of it what you want to get out of it.
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Last Edit: Aug 7, 2020 14:43:59 GMT by bmcnut
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I saw the build thread for this a while back, I think it was on the NSRA forum. The build is awe-inspiring. Everything has been done to a very high standard.
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1953 Minor (Long term project) PT Cruiser
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vulgalour
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The best thing about this is that it's not trying to be something it isn't. It's not chasing a hot rod look, or being overly twee, it's doing whatever it is that it's doing there, and doing it well. Even though it looks like every panel on it is modified it's still recogniseably a Morris Minor while also being completely different to one. Things like the rear door now being a split tailgate instead of two van doors, at first you don't really think of it as being out of place until you realise just how much has been changed from original to make that happen.
The moderns seats aren't even that out of place because the rest of the interior has been modernised too. There's no attempt to make this look old, more it seems to be a case of taking a very familiar and ordinary shape and doing something extraordinary with it. That's certainly to be commended.
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i think the wheels need to be toned down a bit ,maybe anthracite centre's with a polished lip the rest of it is lovely
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There's a lot I like about the traveller in this topic but the front lights and wheels arent to my taste. This is a Morris that i do like:
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I don't have much of a quarrel with the wheels, like Grumpy, I can see how they kinda follow a theme in the car and I'm also guilty of a similar mismatch in period on my own Carledo, which I wasn't sure of at first, but now love. i like the ultra subtle touches like the quarterlight delete (that no-one else has commented on) the superclean front quarter bumpers and the false firewall to conceal the goings on. My ONLY problem is those pinpoint afterthoughts of front indicator lamps, I think i'd have wanted to somehow integrate the indicators into the headlights if i'd done it! I'm more or less with Grumpy, though stock to me is a wasted opportunity except in some rare cases, most of which have been mentioned above. There are plenty of show standard, bog standard cars about, you won't catch me slagging them off even though I find them a little boring, seen one, seen 'em all. But it's owners choice, pay your money and make it! I like subtlety, I like to make folk look twice, then go back and look carefully. I like to build a car that is still recognisable as what it left the factory as, but has almost every bit improved on. I like a sleeper! I like function more than form, I won't make a mod just because it looks pretty, I need a REASON for it, like this 1" (max) deep bonnet bulge in my Dolomite Sprint bonnet is there to clear the cambelt housing of it's Vauxhall engine. It's wheels are 14" instead of the stock 13s to clear the bigger brakes i've fitted, everything has a PURPOSE! What I DO have a downer on, and I make no bones about it, is mods I consider unsafe, like Grumpy, I abhor excessive camber, stretched tyres, cars so low they are permanently scraping the floor or so high they are totally unstable. And several other fads too! As an engineer it offends my sensibilities. Someone has taken a perfectly viable, useable, motorcar and turned it into a deathtrap for the sake of a fad "LOOK" A triumph of form over function (though to me, it's more of a disaster than a triumph)You are welcome to not like my opinions here BTW, they are just MY opinions! I'd be perfectly happy to roll in that Moggy. Even more so if i'd done it myself, from my POV the worst thing about it is that I didn't build it! Steve
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