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Aug 27, 2020 21:29:30 GMT
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Hi Guys,
So I know this isn’t really relevant to (retro rides) but after reading some of your threads, I realised there’s quite a few knowledgeable people on here and I could really do with some advise.
June 2019 - I did a really silly thing! I was looking on eBay for a new car and I noticed there was a Mercedes C63 that had been lightly damaged and up for sale. After reading more about the car I realised it was unregistered and had been imported from Australia - in which case I thought, If I repair it and register it in the UK, hopefully it wouldn’t be categorised.
As I work in a car body repair shop, I brought the car, repaired it to a fantastic standard and took it for an IVA test.
The car cost me £25k and 5k in parts, retail at the time was around £48k so I really thought I hit the jackpot. I took the car for it’s IVA and it passed with flying colours, then I applied for its (vehicle of compliance letter to prove all the VIN was correct. Finally I put it through an MOT and applied for registration with its V55/5 form.
About 8 weeks later the DVLA sent me a letter saying that the car had been categorised in Australia as a statutory write off and would only be allowed to be sold as parts or scrap in Australia.
The only way the car will be allowed on the road is on a Q plate which literally kills the value by about 80%
It’s absolutely crazy that they categorised the car in Australia as this. There was no structural damage and all it needed was a new bumper, radiator pack, wing and wheel. It’s only due to Mercedes crazy prices it cost 5k.
If anyone has any advise on this I’d be really grateful - i literally put all my money into this project and I really put my heart into it. Some so upset and heartbroken. I now have a loan on a car that’s not worth anything.
My name is Edd and my phone number is 07815557928
Again.. any help would be really appreciated.
Thanks Edd
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Aug 28, 2020 12:48:14 GMT
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Seems very odd, they don't have any issue with salvage title imports from the States.
Sounds like you need a fixer to register it on paper in eastern Europe first then import it here.
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Last Edit: Aug 28, 2020 12:49:39 GMT by dodgerover
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Aug 28, 2020 13:37:49 GMT
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Sounds like you need to point out to the DVLA that we are not in Australia but the UK and it is not for them to enforce Australian rules and policies.....
Nick
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1967 Triumph Vitesse convertible (old friend) 1996 Audi A6 2.5 TDI Avant (still durability testing) 1972 GT6 Mk3 (Restored after loong rest & getting the hang of being a car again)
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Aug 28, 2020 13:46:31 GMT
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I would point out it was repaired to a high standard in the UK, Wasn't there was an issue years ago with cars and 4x4's being very badly repaired in Dubai on there way to the uk and some one curse word like watchdog made a big issue of it (although probably for the best).
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Dez
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Aug 28, 2020 13:54:02 GMT
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This is the first time I’ve ever heard of the DVLA wanting to transfer an insurance marker internationally. I’m not ever sure why they think it’s their business to do so, it’s not like it’s a law.
Most of the higher end modern Americana in the country has been subject to a salvage title or has a chequered carFAX history, and it’s all unrecorded with the DVLA.
I also through the DVLA weren’t issuing Q registrations anymore?
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Aug 28, 2020 14:20:38 GMT
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It might also be because of the only for parts or scrap rating.
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Aug 28, 2020 21:59:57 GMT
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When I spoke to the DVLA at the start they said they need to give it an IVA because it’s an international vehicle and they need to make sure the vehicle is okay for English roads. I guess the angle of the lights and so on.... it’s driving me crazy! Completely hit a brick wall with it now. I seen there was a guy on another forum called cartrader89 - he had exactly the same story in 2018 - I wonder what he did, there wasn’t an option to contact him unfortunately.
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fazzer
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Theres a lot of new rules and grey areas unfortunately,a pal of mine bought a 40s american pick up ,spent a fortune restoring it then dvla wouldnt issue it with a reg.managed to do it eventually but wasnt legit.
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Sept 1, 2020 22:10:02 GMT
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Would you think he maybe able to get mine sorted some how?
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When I spoke to the DVLA at the start they said they need to give it an IVA because it’s an international vehicle and they need to make sure the vehicle is okay for English roads. I guess the angle of the lights and so on.... it’s driving me crazy! Completely hit a brick wall with it now. Sorry I'm no expert on this, but I'm currently in the process of importing and registering a car in the UK. The IVA seems like where this has gone wrong, it is a Mercedes C63, so it is already approved for UK road use, so doesn't need the individual type approval. You've repaired the car, but should be able to present it to an MOT station and then MOT off the VIN plate, fill out the V55/5 and off to Swansea it goes. Now what I can't see in your original post is if it has papers/title from Australia, or if after it was damaged there it effectively ceased to exist as a vehicle? In which case the question is "how do I import a car without papers from the country of origin?". That being said it may all be moot at this point if it HAS been for an IVA I guess it now exists on the DVLA's system as being on an IVA. Anyone know if you can reset the situation? I suspect possibly fazzer 's method may have involved the log book from an already registered Chassis and a moving about of VIN plates. Which is definitely illegal (as he alludes to).
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Dec 23, 2020 18:09:38 GMT
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How have you got on with this? I find myself in a similar situation,purchased Audi s3 2017 with 630 miles on the clock,damage was heat damage to rear bumper,everything else was untouched,applied for the v5 and application was returned advising it was a statutory write off in Australia and can’t be put back on the road under the vin number that it has. However they have instructed me to engrave a new vin number (which they have given me) on the car and they will register it under a Q plate? The damage was absolutely minimal and all running components/interior is original and untouched. It was manufactured in October 2016 and has manufacturers plate with it clearly displayed. Dvla insist the age can’t be proven hence the Q plate. Reading up on Australian rules for writeoffs it would appear that any incident makes them a statutory write off meaning for spares only. CraZy to write such a nice car off for such little damage. You seem to be a few months into the process more than me so maybe you have found a way around it,if so I would really appreciate knowing if possible please.
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Is someone buying these write offs cheaply in Australia and selling on for profit here knowing they’re effectively worthless as cant be registered ?
Or just coincidence the 2 of you have bought imported Australian write offs within the last 2 months ?
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Certainly would appear so as we both purchased from the same seller in Oldham manchester. They can be registered but only on a Q plate which seems to cause a lot of hassle with insurance and consequently a lot more expensive. Shame of it is that the damage is so minor,I have purchased a few UK damaged cars over the years and even cat n cars are usually much more damaged than this s3,however it is what it is and I should have been more diligent in my purchase.trouble is that there’s a lack of quality info out there for finding these things out and that includes government agency sites. Hate to see a perfectly good car being broke for spares,seems such a waste. Just awaiting insurance company getting back to me with a quote before deciding how best to procceed,if it’s affordable then it would be crazy not to progress with registering it even on a Q.
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Rob M
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Is not the seller liable here? Did they not state, within the advert, let alone at the point of sale that the vehicles were write offs in Australia and could only be registered in this country as a Q plate which would both affect it's value AND make finding an insurer more problematical? It seems illogical that 2 buyers were not informed about the probable issues before buying. The seller, I assume, is a business, and, going by what has been said, have not described the vehicle correctly and have withheld information necessary for a buyer to make it an informed decision on whether to proceed with the purchase. The fact that the cars were being sold well below UK values is not the issue, their honesty is.
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Last Edit: Jan 6, 2021 15:57:13 GMT by Rob M
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I doubt it’s worth the hassle of chasing the dealer to be honest,in my case the advert lists it as... UNREGISTERED AUDI S3 Buyer will register and be the first owner in UK
FULL UK SPEC IMPORT RIGHT HAND DRIVE ALL FEES DUTIES PAID FOR READY TO GO Comes with official NOVA ref certificate. STRICTLY NO PART EX OR SWAPS.
PLEASE CONTACT ON 077-386-63167 FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR TO ARRANGE A VIEWING NO TEXT MESSAGES OR PRIVATE NUMBER CALLS WHATSAPP MSGS ONLY
REASONABLE OFFERS CONSIDERED STRICTLY NO PART EX NO TIME WASTERS OR DREAMERS PLEASE!
VIEWINGS ARE BY APPOINTMENT ONLY
PLEASE CALL TO ARRANGE
NATIONWIDE DELIVERY AVAILABLE
TERMS & CONDITIONS
FOR ALL IMPORTED VEHICLES, IT'S THE SOLE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PURCHASER TO ENSURE THE VEHICLE IS (IVA) TESTED
AND REGISTERED FOR USE IN THE UNITED KINGDOM BEFORE THE VEHICLE IS DEEMED ROAD WORTHY.
ALL VEHICLES SOLD OVER THE PHONE OR ON THE PREMISES ARE SOLD AS SEEN AND NO WARRANTY IS GIVEN.
THE DESCRIPTION WE GIVE OVER THE PHONE IS A BRIEF DESCRIPTION ONLY AS TO WHAT WE CAN SEE.
WE RECOMMENDED THAT YOU VIEW THE VEHICLE BEFORE PURCHASING.
WE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING ONCE THE VEHICLE HAS LEFT OUR YARD.
ALL VEHICLES ARE SOLD AS SEEN. PART PAYMENT'S ARE STRICTLY NON REFUNDABLE.
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Rob M
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I doubt it’s worth the hassle of chasing the dealer to be honest,in my case the advert lists it as... UNREGISTERED AUDI S3 Buyer will register and be the first owner in UK FULL UK SPEC IMPORT RIGHT HAND DRIVE ALL FEES DUTIES PAID FOR READY TO GO Comes with official NOVA ref certificate. STRICTLY NO PART EX OR SWAPS.
PLEASE CONTACT ON 077-386-63167 FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR TO ARRANGE A VIEWING NO TEXT MESSAGES OR PRIVATE NUMBER CALLS WHATSAPP MSGS ONLY
REASONABLE OFFERS CONSIDERED STRICTLY NO PART EX NO TIME WASTERS OR DREAMERS PLEASE!
VIEWINGS ARE BY APPOINTMENT ONLY
PLEASE CALL TO ARRANGE
NATIONWIDE DELIVERY AVAILABLE
TERMS & CONDITIONS
FOR ALL IMPORTED VEHICLES, IT'S THE SOLE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PURCHASER TO ENSURE THE VEHICLE IS (IVA) TESTED
AND REGISTERED FOR USE IN THE UNITED KINGDOM BEFORE THE VEHICLE IS DEEMED ROAD WORTHY.
ALL VEHICLES SOLD OVER THE PHONE OR ON THE PREMISES ARE SOLD AS SEEN AND NO WARRANTY IS GIVEN.
THE DESCRIPTION WE GIVE OVER THE PHONE IS A BRIEF DESCRIPTION ONLY AS TO WHAT WE CAN SEE.
WE RECOMMENDED THAT YOU VIEW THE VEHICLE BEFORE PURCHASING.
WE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING ONCE THE VEHICLE HAS LEFT OUR YARD.
ALL VEHICLES ARE SOLD AS SEEN. PART PAYMENT'S ARE STRICTLY NON REFUNDABLE. I'd get legal advice and sue them. Nowhere in the description does it state that the vehicle that they are selling has been deemed un repairable in its country of origin or that the vehicle would be a PITA to register in the UK, or indeed, that it would be required to be registered as a Q plate etc etc etc. They are a business and ignorance is no excuse in law. The actual wording of the advert strikes me as some thing you would see from some sort of back street cut and shut out fit! All sellers have a duty of care to describe any product that they sell accurately, they clearly did not accurately describe the vehicles history or the issues that would be faced by registering it in the UK, They cannot state that they were unaware of its history in Oz, they have sold more than one car from there!! I understand that you may not want to go through the rigmarole of taking them to court but, maybe, you want to consider telling us who this outfit is, lets not let others get stung by a business that is, shall we say, economical with the truth.
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I don’t have a problem naming them,like you say it may well stop anyone else purchasing from them. What’s interesting is that the eBay seller had a unit in Oldham yet the company details are somewhere else. The ebay I’d is auto-pal.
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ndb
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Apr 16, 2021 12:50:17 GMT
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Hi I’m in the same situation regarding me purchasing a car from these eBay sellers who really are true con men. I’m in a very difficult situation and need help resolving this issue. How many people have purchased a car from these guys in Oldham I think we all need to get together contact each other and take legal action against theses thieves. It is in their duty to tell us what and how we deal with theses cars. Please can you let me know if we can exchange details and get in touch please.
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Apr 16, 2021 13:23:41 GMT
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Hi I’m in the same situation regarding me purchasing a car from these eBay sellers who really are true con men. I’m in a very difficult situation and need help resolving this issue. How many people have purchased a car from these guys in Oldham I think we all need to get together contact each other and take legal action against theses thieves. It is in their duty to tell us what and how we deal with theses cars. Please can you let me know if we can exchange details and get in touch please. Might be worth posting to a larger audience like pistonheads if you haven't already...
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ndb
Kinda New
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Apr 16, 2021 14:13:16 GMT
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I am in the same situation with the same guys in Oldham. Please can we exchange details so I can get some help and information as what to do. Can you please let me know what to do first. Do I fill in the v55/5 form first or book in for and Iva then mot. I’m really stuck here please.
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