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Sept 16, 2020 19:46:53 GMT
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I used super flex bushes On my mk5 cortinas
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Sept 16, 2020 19:55:51 GMT
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Good point, the rubber ones didn't last long when you could get OEM ones god knows what a modern Chinese repro would be like! seem to remember we always fitted the estate ones because they didn't have the voids.
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Sept 16, 2020 20:38:10 GMT
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It looks like the back is going to hit something hard first, my TR7 has a similar arrangement, the axle on that is only 2 or 3 inches away from the siderail and it drives fine with 200lb springs, that will take you down a long way from where you are now. I'd take the rear springs out (just remove lower damper bolts) and see how low it can feasibly go. In back in my loft I have a set of springs that were too short for it which look very similar to yours, I can dig them out if you are interested (don't want anything for them they are in the way). Front looks like you have the option to lower the subframe or shorten springs I guess how far you go will be limited by what you can do on the back. This the TR unladen with no fuel, it sits about 15mm lower with a person and fuel. The bump stop is 30mm high so all in all its about 70mm off the chassis leg in a running condition, if you are preparred to sacrifice ride you could easily go another 25 mm with a bit chopped off the bump stop. Thanks for the reply. I have sent you a PM as well. That's all unmolested Cortina. So servicing it, and basic mods will be easy and relatively cheap. I bet there are several people here who still have the void bush tools..... Affordable parts then? What is a Void Bush Tool ? Ladies Gellette 😈 Please please tell me you photo-shopped the axle stands, ramps, extra blocks of wood or stacks of spare wheels out? I read too may instances of jacks failing, spacer blocks dropping out, and wifey/mate coming out and finding the jack operator breathing their last under their pride and joy . . . enjoy your postings here and over on GJ and would quite like to keep reading them for a while longer! What you need is something like a Locust (not Locost !) chassis from T&J Sportscars or White Rose cars (both gone unfortunately I think) - one version used Cortina bits on a simple ladder chassis - unbolt the Eagle shell, drop over the ladder chassis, weld support brackets to chassis as required . . . In fact, with a welder, a flat surface and a supply of hollow section steel, you could probably make one pretty easily. airbrushed myself into the pic, as mentioned in the opening line of the post...... Way too much engineering and expense. i could buy a 7 year old MX5 and have the same fun, without ultraviolet burns and BIVA insopection. I saw this render and thought of you...  😍❤️😍❤️😍❤️😍❤️😍❤️😍❤️ I may like that a bit. Looking at the mounts for the axle and subframe it looks possible to loose some height by relocating them a bit. The lower arms at the rear look like they could go up a fair bit by drilling new mounting holes in the chassis itself. I still have the remains of a Scamp chassis I was building and by leaving out a box section where the front subframe bolts on I managed to loose a bit of height whithout actually altering the suspension. It was almost like they built one and then added some bits to raise the suspension. Steve, I think all of this is relatively doable, with too much effort, like some on here want to initiate, we could be building a F1 car. just depends on pockets and motivation Just realised this will look like the Roadkill Jeep Rod...  History... linkLoved that then, still love it now. Nice, looking at the google (pics) you could probably loose a good 10-12" of ride hieght at the rear with a mx5 rear subframe.  Joe, it was me texting. Anyway, question was going to be, just how much effort vs what is there now? A white jeep with gold eight spokes you say? Then surely it’s got to be a lowered version of Daisy Dukes car! Have you got the legs to carry it off though Grizz? Not sure if the picture will post? Maximum movement upward. Yes it could be. A white jeep with gold eight spokes you say? Then surely it’s got to be a lowered version of Daisy Dukes car! Have you got the legs to carry it off though Grizz? Not sure if the picture will post? She's wearing his flip-flops (the weekend ones...) Indeed she is. My estimate, to make this work as the visuals that have been shown - every suspension pick up point /Subframe mount on the chassis would need to be moved 12" vertically. I am happy with the right balance of the maximum movement upward. So if 8” is the maximum, then the rest will need to be created in a different way. |
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Sept 16, 2020 20:47:27 GMT
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Problem is to go that low, you are into making a new chassis and cutting the floor out of the body, I would take the springs out and drop it onto the bump stops, then decide if this is going to work or if a different starting point would be better. I reckon he can get about 8 inches out of what is there. 8” is a rare thing to achieve. It would make me very happy. If I remember in the morning, I will go measure and mark 8” for us all. Exactly as above , mk5 cortina lowered springs are readily available and that suspension does drop massively on them I know from my cortina experiences Or if your not reusing those springs take them out cut down three coils and put them back in and see where your at then USE spring clamps!!! Then if your happy buy some springs and shocks You mean these springs become lethal Dan? On the two Chevys I have worked on the springs with Paul Y, it’s a matter of drop the lower control arm, remove spring, replace and jack up till you can bolt together. And you won't be able to choose springs until it's all together and you know how much it weighs any way. Agreed, unless you try them early without other changes. Interesting find on Eagle owners club page (as well as full build instructions!)  Brilliant find. Thanks joem83 That's all unmolested Cortina. So servicing it, and basic mods will be easy and relatively cheap. I bet there are several people here who still have the void bush tools..... You mean an air chisel, a 22mm socket and a big hammer..... P.  When in doubt, call Paul and order a bigger hammer and plug in the air chisel. |
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Sept 16, 2020 20:49:09 GMT
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By moving the subframe up so that is actually in contact with the chassis rather than the bit of tubing and "maybe" using a tubular lower TCA so that the mounting point can be moved so that it all lines up AND the addition of a set of lowering springs you will be close to scraping the cills, so just about right. As for the rears, do as suggested earlier, remove the rear springs and shocks and play around with the ride height. We did talk about an MX5 subframe but the pictures are better than the video call so I would see what is achievable with what you have. Either way, remember that this has been built to have ground clearance as simply as possibly so reversing it will be just as easy (he says from safely behind his keyboard drinking beer...) Now just need to get an inch of snow on the ground and temperatures to drop to below zero so we can start....P. Still got loads of time to drink beer and create Havoc, and spend my money Paul |
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Sept 16, 2020 20:52:17 GMT
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I’d look to see if as said the subframea can be moved up a little first , 2” lowering springs are available and uprated shocks put a wanted ad on here ASAP Going to 13” wheels/low profile tyres will lower it more but not sure what it would look like in relation to the height of the arches You’ve probably got to replace every rubber item in the suspension too ! I suspect you are right, regarding replacing every bush But money well spent. I used super flex bushes On my mk5 cortinas No idea on cost for a fill set Fan, but probably worth it to get a decent and safe ride. Good point, the rubber ones didn't last long when you could get OEM ones god knows what a modern Chinese repro would be like! seem to remember we always fitted the estate ones because they didn't have the voids. Still n idea what a Void is, except on a checkout till |
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Sept 16, 2020 21:09:40 GMT
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Anyway, question was going to be, just how much effort vs what is there now? From the pictures of the install of the subframe on the hilux chassis, it didnt look that hard. Looking at what you origanally posted, I'm not sure how close to that you will be able to get with the current set up. As has been mentioned, try taking springs out (possibly shocks as well) and see if the current set up will go low enough with no support (I reckon it might be 3-4 inches higher than you want even at full drop) Also, if that overlay image is correct. It's possible they designed the shell to sit on a unmodifed beetle chassis as well. If they did then that could be a very easy way to a very low one & nothing stopping you going for an impreza engine for the wheelies lol |
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Last Edit: Sept 16, 2020 21:11:36 GMT by joem83
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Sept 16, 2020 21:10:32 GMT
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I’d look to see if as said the subframea can be moved up a little first , 2” lowering springs are available and uprated shocks put a wanted ad on here ASAP Going to 13” wheels/low profile tyres will lower it more but not sure what it would look like in relation to the height of the arches You’ve probably got to replace every rubber item in the suspension too ! I suspect you are right, regarding replacing every bush But money well spent. I used super flex bushes On my mk5 cortinas No idea on cost for a fill set Fan, but probably worth it to get a decent and safe ride. Good point, the rubber ones didn't last long when you could get OEM ones god knows what a modern Chinese repro would be like! seem to remember we always fitted the estate ones because they didn't have the voids. Still n idea what a Void is, except on a checkout till -- Bushes with holes in the rubber. |
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Sept 16, 2020 21:29:17 GMT
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Last Edit: Sept 16, 2020 21:31:10 GMT by redratbike
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Sept 17, 2020 0:46:59 GMT
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Sept 17, 2020 6:54:16 GMT
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Loving where this could go - the jimny in black with the red wheels (and the picture above too) - awesome. I passed a slammed land rover swb on the m4 last year and had to slow down and let it overtake me so I could get another look!
Cracking idea, and then actual action and money spent to see it through - really good this.
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Sept 17, 2020 14:01:11 GMT
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Thanks for that. Ford Cortina MK4, MK5, Front & Rear Bush Set (inc Cross Member)
£151.95At this price one would need to see what “original” parts would cost, for the same set. But if you plan on keeping it, which I am, then the money is money well spent. You have my address. Loving where this could go - the jimny in black with the red wheels (and the picture above too) - awesome. I passed a slammed land rover swb on the m4 last year and had to slow down and let it overtake me so I could get another look! Cracking idea, and then actual action and money spent to see it through - really good this. Thanks mate. I think this is really a communal effort, the enthusiasm I feel on all the various ( 7 ) Forums where I have been posting these entries as copy and paste, is certainly driving it ahead too. Our shared conscience is stronger than my own likes and dislikes. If it hatches as I would love to see it, we will have a decent car and image. |
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Sept 17, 2020 14:56:52 GMT
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Grizz, am I in error, or is a Mazda Mx 5 donor on the cards? Because surely then a little tubing, a little sawing of fiberglass and Et Viola....? Throw away cortina bits and have spares availability in any Motor Factors while still being cool as a penguins under carriage. Forgive me if I am ******* things up.  na by quickrack, on Flickr |
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Sept 17, 2020 15:26:06 GMT
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Grizz, am I in error, or is a Mazda Mx 5 donor on the cards? Because surely then a little tubing, a little sawing of fiberglass and Et Viola....? Throw away cortina bits and have spares availability in any Motor Factors while still being cool as a penguins under carriage. Forgive me if I am ******* things up. na by quickrack, on Flickr 🙀🙀🙀🙀🙀🙀🙀🙀🙀🙀🙀🙀🙀😈😈😈😈😈😈😈😈😈🐷🐷🐷🐷🐷🏁🏁🏁🏁🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🤷♂️ No, that’s fine. I just don’t think it is as simple as baking a cake, |
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duncanmartin
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Sept 17, 2020 16:01:37 GMT
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There are various kit cars based on the MX5 "powerplant frame", eg this: www.ancsportscars.co.uk/The-Kit/The powerplant frame isn't a chassis, it needs a chassis to be added to provide the rigidity the monocoque was providing, and that means any car built on this process needs an IVA. Much as it would generate something seriously cool, I don't think that's a cheap route so this project should probably stick with the Ford running gear and the existing registered chassis. |
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Sept 17, 2020 16:13:57 GMT
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There are various kit cars based on the MX5 "powerplant frame", eg this: www.ancsportscars.co.uk/The-Kit/The powerplant frame isn't a chassis, it needs a chassis to be added to provide the rigidity the monocoque was providing, and that means any car built on this process needs an IVA. Much as it would generate something seriously cool, I don't think that's a cheap route so this project should probably stick with the Ford running gear and the existing registered chassis. Totally yes. Thanks. |
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glenanderson
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Sept 17, 2020 18:20:38 GMT
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Yes, that’s the problem with massively modifying the Eagle with all new running gear - the potential for IVA or other bureaucratic shenanigans increases exponentially. It would also, no doubt, reset the clock as regards then being registered as a 2020 vehicle, whereas at the moment it’s a 92 build that in “only” twelve years would fall tax/MoT exempt (provided the rules don’t change again).
“Adjusting” the Cortina stuff, and how it fits, comfortably falls into the “it’s always been like that” category.
Although, if as has been suggested, the Eagle body will drop on a Beetle floorpan, then that could be a route to a completely legitimate, IVA exempt, very easily lowered, tax and MoT exempt motor, with a host of readily available bits and bazillions of wheel/engine and suspension options...
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My worst worry about dying is my wife selling my stuff for what I told her it cost...
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Sept 17, 2020 18:24:39 GMT
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Excuse the terrible photoshop, only have paint on this pc.  This is about 10" drop from my man maths |
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glenanderson
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Sept 17, 2020 18:37:10 GMT
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And that ^^^ is about what it would look like sat on a stock Beetle floorpan.
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My worst worry about dying is my wife selling my stuff for what I told her it cost...
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Sept 17, 2020 19:13:45 GMT
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Happy to be corrected but I think I’ve read Q reg cars aren’t eligable for tax or mot exemptions...
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