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Sept 6, 2020 10:32:40 GMT
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It seems the highway code is being revised. See how you get on with this quiz on the updated version www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-54027461I only got 6 out of 9 on first attempt which I was pretty shocked by.
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shin2chin
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Sept 6, 2020 10:46:43 GMT
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6/9 for me too. Didn't do too well on the cycling bits.
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Dez
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Sept 6, 2020 11:22:50 GMT
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So they’re saying it’s illegal to overtake a cyclist on a road less than 24ft wide now? That’s well thought out isn’t it.
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Sept 6, 2020 11:39:13 GMT
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So they’re saying it’s illegal to overtake a cyclist on a road less than 24ft wide now? That’s well thought out isn’t it.
I made that all roads with speed limit of 40mph or more needs to be nearer 11 metres or c. 36 feet
1m for the cyclist 2m for the gap 2m for the car 0.5 m gap to the centreline for mirrors .
so 5.5m per lane. Bare minimum of 5 m per lane and hope there isn't a cyclist and car in the oncoming lane.
Might some local authorities may use this as an excuse to put 30mph limits on roads with lane widths less than 5metres?
Edit: as an occasional cyclists I'm not daft enough to cycle on roads with 40mph or higher speed limits though!
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Last Edit: Sept 6, 2020 11:40:38 GMT by theoldman
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Sept 6, 2020 11:44:22 GMT
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sounds about right and I'd be fine with that, the average B road width is 24.4 feet.
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Sept 6, 2020 11:49:11 GMT
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7/9, and I've only had 3 hrs sleep after an 18hr nightwaking shift!
I believe the "back in the day", you'd all be shouting "specky specky swat swat" at me?
Got a horsey one wrong and a cycling one wrong.
I can hear you all, now...
"specky specky swat swat specky specky swat swat..."
Will I get my head flushed at breaktime?
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Sept 6, 2020 11:53:54 GMT
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So they’re saying it’s illegal to overtake a cyclist on a road less than 24ft wide now? That’s well thought out isn’t it. The highway code is only guidelines though, not legally binding. According to the manual for the streets a road must be a minimum of 5.5m wide for two lorries to pass each other in opposite directions. So therefore each lane will be 2.75m, cyclist takes center of lane 1 so he is using say 1.5m of lane 1, car needs to pass at a gap of 2m so you are now at 3.5m, car is 2m wide so there is your 5.5m its tight I will grant you that. I don't think a lorry could do it and maintain those distances though.
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Last Edit: Sept 6, 2020 11:55:19 GMT by henspeed
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fogey
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Sept 6, 2020 13:04:51 GMT
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The Highway Code is exactly that, a 'code' not all elements of the 'code' are actually written into law......
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dazcapri
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Sept 6, 2020 13:46:21 GMT
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So they’re saying it’s illegal to overtake a cyclist on a road less than 24ft wide now? That’s well thought out isn’t it. One of our drivers had to fo an awareness course a few months ago he'd driven too close to a cyclist,who caught him on a helmet camera and reported him to the police. He was in his car at the time and gave, in his opinion,loads of room but it was that or a fine so he reluctantly took the course
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Sept 6, 2020 14:00:39 GMT
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Obviously been paid for by the cycling lobby! Why didn't they just update it to say cyclists have priority over everything and red lights don't apply to them?
Seriously one of the questions is about using the wrong arm to open the drivers door in case a cyclist is coming and you have failed to take notice of it. 25 years ago in motorcycle training we were taught never to get closer than a metre from a parked car and to expect people to open doors without looking!
Likewise saying cyclists should ride in the centre of the lane, I take it that it will no longer be an offence to deliberately delay following traffic as it's not going to be possible to pass on many local roads giving them the 2m of space that is now a requirement.
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SamV8
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Sept 6, 2020 14:27:31 GMT
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Question 6&7 is Ridiculous;
Q6: You are driving straight ahead in slow-moving traffic. Pedestrians and cyclists are waiting to cross. What should you do? common sense would suggest either not stopping unless an emergency or checking rear view mirror to check if its safe to stop yet the new code says you should allow them to cross without checking your rear view mirror to see if it's safe to do so...
Q7: You are cycling on a route officially shared with pedestrians and horse riders. How should you indicate your presence to pedestrians when approaching them from behind?
I chose "By slowing down, moving wide to the right, and overtaking" which is wrong and this reason is given;
Cyclists using paths shared with pedestrians should be alert to the possibility that some they encounter may be blind or deaf. Cyclists should take particular care around ridden horses. In these situations the normal hierarchy is turned upside-down and it’s the cyclist who is considered the more “threatening” road user.
and the correct answer is "By ringing a bell or calling out politely" well what use is that when their bit of text above says you may encounter a deaf person...
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melle
South West
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Sept 6, 2020 14:51:00 GMT
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How hard can it be to show some respect to other, often slower, road users? A bit less me, me, me would make traffic so much nicer, especially when you take up an excessive amount of road space on your own in >1T/ >100hp of reinforced steel.
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The Doctor
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Sept 6, 2020 15:25:58 GMT
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I had a quick look at the thingie and was wildly surprised by the Dutch way to open car doors. I have never heard of this, and don't think I have never seen someone doing it. Does make sense though.
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Sept 6, 2020 15:33:26 GMT
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Q7: You are cycling on a route officially shared with pedestrians and horse riders. How should you indicate your presence to pedestrians when approaching them from behind? I chose "By slowing down, moving wide to the right, and overtaking" which is wrong and this reason is given; Cyclists using paths shared with pedestrians should be alert to the possibility that some they encounter may be blind or deaf. Cyclists should take particular care around ridden horses. In these situations the normal hierarchy is turned upside-down and it’s the cyclist who is considered the more “threatening” road user. and the correct answer is "By ringing a bell or calling out politely" well what use is that when their bit of text above says you may encounter a deaf person... Well you may encounter a deaf person granted, there is not much you can do about that. But your answer was wrong because you did not want to warn the pedestrians in any way that you were approaching from behind, chances are if you encounter pedestrians they wont all be deaf so by ringing your bell or shouting "ding ding" as you approach they will be alerted and if one of them is deaf just the warning to others will alert the deaf one and they will likely look also. If you just silently move to the right to pass then at best they will get a fright or worse they may move unexpectedly to the right and you have an accident and then the deaf guy kicks your head in also.
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melle
South West
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Sept 6, 2020 15:40:50 GMT
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I had a quick look at the thingie and was wildly surprised by the Dutch way to open car doors. I have never heard of this, and don't think I have never seen someone doing it. Does make sense though. I'm sure it was part of my driving test in NL 20 years ago.
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The Doctor
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Sept 6, 2020 16:02:18 GMT
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I'm sure it was part of my driving test in NL 20 years ago. I can't remember it from mine 16 years ago! but maybe that's a thing which is more common in big cities instead of the smallish rural area where I live?
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Sept 6, 2020 18:45:21 GMT
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Maybe it's just me but when a mountain biker fly's up behind me on the pavement and rings their bell because rather than overtake they want to force you out of their way I always think you rude curse word.
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Sept 6, 2020 19:14:34 GMT
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Maybe it's just me but when a mountain biker fly's up behind me on the pavement and rings their bell because rather than overtake they want to force you out of their way I always think you rude curse word. I wouldn't move for a cyclist on the pavement, for 1 they shouldn't be there unless its a shared use lane, and secondly the bell is to let you know they are there and coming through, its not to tell you to GTF out of the way. However I know some use it as a GTF siren
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Last Edit: Sept 6, 2020 19:15:15 GMT by henspeed
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vader
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Sept 6, 2020 19:26:02 GMT
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So what I can gather from this (I got 6/9 btw) is that cyclist rule the road! They pay nothing to use the road, have no insurance but basically have right of way (except pedestrians) Christ, driving in London is bad enough now they have this level of protection it’ll be a nightmare!
I’m don't mean to upset anyone on here but I’m not a fan of cyclists
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melle
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Sept 6, 2020 19:33:23 GMT
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Christ, driving in London is bad enough Then don't drive in London, there are smarter ways to get around town, and cycling is one of them. Most European cities (apart from a few post-war ones) aren't made for cars, there just isn't the space.
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