60six
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Sept 18, 2020 22:00:38 GMT
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When I see anything of interest broken down I always stop and see if I can help. Did not have a clue what this was - It's a kit car based on a hillman imp. It's a 50 year old design and I think this car hits the perfect balance between old and new. He had a loose rear hub nut and I didn't have a 32mm socket on me.... It had a yamaha R1 engine, headlights, instrument cluster, and can rev to 14,000! The bodywork was extremely well done and loved the laser cut perspex dash and the old school rocker switches, along with a removable steering wheel. I instantly fell in love with this crazy machine and wanted to know the advantages/disadvantages and ... why use a motorbike engine?    |
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Last Edit: Sept 18, 2020 22:34:49 GMT by 60six
Some 9000's, a 900, an RX8 & a beetle
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Sept 18, 2020 22:10:38 GMT
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R1 engine about 150BHP or more depending which version,6 speed sequential box,compact, light weight, reliable and capable of being thrashed without going bang on a regular basis and ultimately cheap per bhp
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Needs a bigger hammer mate.......
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Sept 18, 2020 22:26:47 GMT
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I think you answered your own question with the pictures  |
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skinnylew
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Sept 18, 2020 22:27:12 GMT
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That looks the business!!
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60six
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Sept 18, 2020 22:34:14 GMT
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I think you answered your own question with the pictures Should of STFU and just put the pictures up ! I just want a car that can redline at 14k - none of this 6k nonsense. |
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Some 9000's, a 900, an RX8 & a beetle
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Sept 18, 2020 22:35:39 GMT
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Because you can do this;
What's better than an old car with a motorcycle engine?
An old car with 2 motorcycle engines!
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Sept 18, 2020 23:30:25 GMT
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Because I can...  |
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Sept 18, 2020 23:50:44 GMT
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BTW, that looks like its a Davrian.
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Sept 19, 2020 0:29:07 GMT
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'MPD 853L' is a yellow Hillman Imp apparently?
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goldnrust
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Sept 19, 2020 7:16:53 GMT
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Bike engines are great, but very uncompromising. A performance bike is a lot closer to a race bike than a performance car is to a race car. And so bike engines are also much more like a race engine. The power to weight/size of a bike engine is amazing, and as has already been mentioned the engines are everyday reliable at this power, and expected to be thrashed. Bikes also come with 6 speed sequential gearboxes, and with modern bikes there’s technology that allows for clutchless full throttle up shifts and auto-blipping for smooth rev matched downshifts. And on top of this, they’re cheap. Bikes get crashed, and often the engines are unharmed, so there’s plenty available at breakers. On the down side, but they are uncompromising engines. They make the impressive power numbers by revving high, which sounds amazing and feels great, but it has downsides for every day driving. The peak torque is often way up the Rev range, meaning lots of clutch work to get rolling. Finding the right gearing can also be an issue. Lots of sports bikes will do +60mph by the time you hit that 13-15,000rpm redline in 1st gear. If you want to be able to use your 150hp at under 60mph, then you need to shorten the gearing quite a bit. But then that means you’ll end up cruising at 8,000rpm! Now the bike engine won’t care, it will happily sit on the motorway for a few hours at 8,000rpm. As a driver it wouldn’t be much fun though! The service intervals are also much shorter than a car engine, 2000mile service isn’t uncommon. Some of the servicing can be a pain, like shim under bucket valve clearances that will need doing every 10,000 miles and alike. In a small lightweight car, that you want to feel like a little race car, that will really only be used to go out and have fun in, they can be fantastic. For most other situations a car based engine is probably a better choice. |
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ferny
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Sept 19, 2020 7:39:09 GMT
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How do people get around reversing now? The solution used to be using a starter motor or keep fit reversing. Or am I being dumb?
Any more info on the kit car? It looks mega.
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Last Edit: Sept 19, 2020 7:40:09 GMT by ferny
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Sept 19, 2020 10:14:36 GMT
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How do people get around reversing now? The solution used to be using a starter motor or keep fit reversing. Or am I being dumb? Any more info on the kit car? It looks mega. I think a small electric motor is used in most cases nowadays as they're relatively cheap and easy to install. |
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Sept 19, 2020 14:00:11 GMT
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How do people get around reversing now? The solution used to be using a starter motor or keep fit reversing. Or am I being dumb? Any more info on the kit car? It looks mega. Most of the ones I’ve seen have a ‘sort of’ gearbox which incorporate a reverse gear, like these www.quaife.co.uk/quaife-products/motorcycle-engined-vehicle/ |
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elfman
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Sept 19, 2020 17:10:25 GMT
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I borrowed a Suzuki 1000 cc engine for a project, it was a standard motor but with a better ECU and injection put out 175bhp at the wheel.... i could pick that engine up and carry it through a factory for about 30 Meters no problem at all,,, and when you think that's the engine, box, starter, alternator etc that's very impressive.. especially in a car like the Davrian that weigh a bit more than a crisp packet !! lol
As its been said a bit on the loud side at 14,000 rpm but imagine the smiles per mile and damn hard to keep up with on country lanes.
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Sept 19, 2020 17:55:40 GMT
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Sept 19, 2020 18:07:57 GMT
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Thats awesome. If I hadnt read this post id be wondering what the heck it was, I might have thought it was a kitcar, but id never think it was anything over 15-20 years old. |
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Last Edit: Sept 19, 2020 18:08:52 GMT by bmcnut
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Sept 19, 2020 18:28:52 GMT
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I can't think of any modern bikes that need the valves re shimming every 10k when I was in the bike trade the workshop actually used to strip and check them properly (unlike other places we knew of) when they were due, it was incredibly rare they would need adjustment.
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Last Edit: Sept 19, 2020 18:29:16 GMT by dodgerover
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goldnrust
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Sept 19, 2020 18:44:23 GMT
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I can't think of any modern bikes that need the valves re shimming every 10k when I was in the bike trade the workshop actually used to strip and check them properly (unlike other places we knew of) when they were due, it was incredibly rare they would need adjustment. Fair point, 10k is probably exaggerating a bit! Modern bikes in my head are 90s and newer...  I should add that bike engines are awesome in both bikes and cars, just kinda time and a place for them in cars. I’d happily rock a small light car with a bike engine. |
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Last Edit: Sept 19, 2020 18:45:35 GMT by goldnrust
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60six
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Sept 19, 2020 18:45:14 GMT
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How do people get around reversing now? The solution used to be using a starter motor or keep fit reversing. Or am I being dumb? Any more info on the kit car? It looks mega. I just drove past it and stopped - It did look like it had been beamed down from the moon! No other info at all, apart from these pix. The headlights were very well done. The black bits are covers - and the lights are behind that. It had an engine from a Yamaha R1. Tiny 4 cyl monster. |
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Some 9000's, a 900, an RX8 & a beetle
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mk2cossie
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Sept 19, 2020 21:36:10 GMT
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How do people get around reversing now? The solution used to be using a starter motor or keep fit reversing. Or am I being dumb? Any more info on the kit car? It looks mega. The Davrian/yellow Hillman Imp in the OP has the passenger jump out and push it in to a space. Certainly did at the Hazzard Retros car meeting at the beginning of the month |
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