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You get what you pay for, wait till the is an all Cortina banger meet and you'll get £1500 for the rolling shell.
Did you lift it on a proper ramp or one of those with arms that go under the sills? If you lifted under the sills there's no wonder - I doubt there are many 70s car running around in daily use that works stand that treatment as they absolutely were not designed to take that load even when new.
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Could be good PR for the business, done up it would be worth a fair bit. Round up every man who can swing a body hammer or squeeze a welding trigger, and break out the angle grinders!
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You get what you pay for, wait till the is an all Cortina banger meet and you'll get £1500 for the rolling shell. Did you lift it on a proper ramp or one of those with arms that go under the sills? If you lifted under the sills there's no wonder - I doubt there are many 70s car running around in daily use that works stand that treatment as they absolutely were not designed to take that load even when new. Believe me, no banger racer would ever touch this! Yes, it was a 2 post ramp, which we use all day, every day to lift up cars of all ages and in all conditions. I've worked on hundreds and hundreds of incredibly ropey old cars, but this is the worst by a million miles for a car that is supposedly legal for use on the roads. Also, I'd like to point out that at no point have I mentioned or directed anything at the seller or even confirmed which car I'm talking referring to. First and foremost it is the MOT Station that needs to be investigated. I'm certainly not going to get into any debate/argument on a public forum about that. I will post photos later, which clearly show to anyone that this car has not been anywhere near roadworthy for a very long time. I think this is important viewing for everyone to see just how bad that some vehicles that are being used on the UK roads are. The scariest thing of all is that after speaking to a few people who knew of the car and its owner prior to the recent seller, it was being used as a daily driver until around June this year.....
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MOTs count for not a lot these days considering you’re not allowed to go in with a hammer and go completely radio rental with the prybar taking bits of motors off in chunks. Thumb pressure on underside and light tapping, MOTs being held on 4 posters don’t allow cars to split in half so likely most don’t realise how compromised a cars integrity is. The previous owner has mentioned time and time again how badly he thought the car drove and showed massive disdain towards it in general but he was passed off as this being an individual opinion of him simply not liking the car. A pimp purple Cortina 2 litre screams to me like a car that has been tarted up to hide a multitude of sins such as a floor made of wheelie bins. It’s a shame but it happens everyday, cars filled with bog and MOTd in the driveway. I sympathise but classic car buying is a risky business
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Current retro: 1984 Peugeot 505 GTI
Previous retros: 1989 Ford Fiesta 1.1 Ghia 1994 Mazda MX5 1.8S 1993 VW Polo GT 1994 VW Polo Saloon GT 1989 Volvo 340 DL 1988 Honda Civic 1998 BMW 318Ti 1996 BMW 316i
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Very succinctly put. It's a 70s Ford that has made it this long in life is astounding. Its survived a multitude of pub car park repairs and weekend tinkerers. I have several customers with antique fords who will watch me like a hawk and insist where and where not to Jack up their cars.
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I think old Fords are, in many ways, the worst possible entry point for classic car ownership. Generally speaking they are massively disproportionately expensive, rotten (or at the very least rotting merrily) and full of wob. They are also subject to the most hilarious scene tax known to all humanity ... and I say that as a former Mk2 Golf GTI owner.
As for MOTs, I've seen some cars for sale with a 'fresh ticket' and 'very tidy' and wondered how on earth anyone could consider them roadworthy, morally or practically. Some cars you can look at from 20ft away and tell the tester was either good friends with the owner, or at the very least open to 'encouragement' when testing the thing.
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What's the general consensus on this?
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Oct 15, 2020 10:09:40 GMT
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What's the general consensus on this? I had a Japanese car that had an advisory for general underbody corrosion at MOT for 5-6 years. To begin with it was a light dusting of surface grot, by the time of the last MOT I put it through the car needed some fairly significant welding but the wording of the advisory remained the same.
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Oct 15, 2020 10:59:43 GMT
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Its spent some time in Glasgow and been advised on corrosion. As said previously, you cant go at a car hammer and tongs at an mot. You have to assess a car on its merits. The old refresher course consensus was if in doubt, give benefit of the doubt and pass and advise as the tester sees fit. A testers biggest mistake is not using the advisories to their advantage and advise the hell out of a car as that gives them some recourse when the car is sold and 99.9 percent of the time a buyer will pick fault and is never happy and will always want come back
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Finding out who MOT’d a car?Mercdan68
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Oct 15, 2020 11:52:27 GMT
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If the car is absolutely hanging as suggested No legit mot station would pass it Regardless of prodding or poking said corrosion
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Oct 15, 2020 11:52:49 GMT
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Before I managed to escape the motortrade my last job was working in a spraybooth in the same facility as an MOT ramp for a reputable main dealer. The MOTs were carried out to a good standard and were generally more fussy than most as obviously the dealership is looking to give itself the repair work on anything the tester finds. The local VOSA man came down quite a lot and re mot'ed cars that had just been done to check on the standard of work.
The fear of the VOSA man set the standard of work
Ive also seen the other end of the scale whilst working for a large used car dealer in Hampshire. The type where nails in tyres were painted black etc... and the tester was under a lot of pressure to pass cars without any advisories to aid car sales
Sounds like the car in question may have been MOT for a mate for many years and looking at the ad the seller has been very honest. I do think the buyer should report the MOT station to VOSA though, even if it just gets the site in question more attention on the standard of their work.
Good learning opportunity for all of us here!
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Oct 15, 2020 12:40:57 GMT
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Oct 15, 2020 14:02:39 GMT
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Caveat Emptor. Even a fresh non-bent MOT is no assurance of anything. If an elderly car was halfway through a ticket, or more likely nowadays on a Boris ticket, I wouldn't be buying it without seeing it on ramps or crawling underneath it with a torch. A lot of corrosion can open up in a few months and some cars for sale won't have seen a garage in 18 months.
This happened to me whilst driving. It passed cleanly through my trusted usual place that I would have called harsh but fair only two weeks earlier.
The rear hub actually tore off the control arm at the bottom.
When I challenged the guy on it and showed him the photos, he was pretty genuine about it, but admitted that during an MOT there's a limit to how much digging they can do. They can't remove anything, nor can they start digging into bodywork to see how far it goes. If the rear hub didn't have play and wasn't showing signs of imminent failure then it would have passed.
And to be fair, the rest of the car looked alright. I started doing my own digging with a chisel in an attempt to get this welded up and back on the road.
I had to remove the boot plastics, subframe, fuel tank and rear suspension to actually see the weakest parts. It took a hammer, chisel, jetwash and a wire brush to reveal just how utterly shagged the car was under the old underseal and mud. I should have taken a before an after picture but I really didn't expect it to be THIS bad until I got there.
This car was an 05 plate, btw, and got fragged soon after.
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Oct 15, 2020 14:14:18 GMT
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You get what you pay for, wait till the is an all Cortina banger meet and you'll get £1500 for the rolling shell. Did you lift it on a proper ramp or one of those with arms that go under the sills? If you lifted under the sills there's no wonder - I doubt there are many 70s car running around in daily use that works stand that treatment as they absolutely were not designed to take that load even when new. Believe me, no banger racer would ever touch this! I'm interested how much for the rolling shell with v5 to race then?
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Oct 15, 2020 15:48:06 GMT
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MPR i can totally sympathies with the sting you are feeling and as you are trade you don't have a leg to stand on or any consumer rights which is curse word. I have had the same thing in the past my advice is stick it in classic auction lose what you lose and move on somethings are just a lost cause. Comments like move on, learn from it and you should have looked before buying don't help that feeling in your stomach just get rid in auction which is a buyer be ware venue so your not passing on the misery. Obviously its not the first time you've brought a lemon and probably wont be the last (no insult implied or meant) just be assured your not the only one to make massive judgement fo-pars sometimes but i bet youve made some good profits as well on your good days.
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Oct 15, 2020 16:01:50 GMT
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Believe me, no banger racer would ever touch this! Not true. Trust me. Makes you wonder how bad a lot of these MOT exempt cars are getting with no one to look over them.
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Oct 15, 2020 17:44:00 GMT
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Makes you wonder how bad a lot of these MOT exempt cars are getting with no one to look over them. It certainly does. I do know of a couple of vehicles that have returned to the road since exempted that had been sidelined by serious rot. One of them is barely holding together.... Nick
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Oct 15, 2020 18:06:04 GMT
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Believe me, no banger racer would ever touch this! I'm interested how much for the rolling shell with v5 to race then? It won’t be rolling as some people have their name on certain parts already, but if the totally bare shell is of any use to you at all, it’s yours FOC.
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Finding out who MOT’d a car?fraudownersclub
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Oct 15, 2020 18:16:36 GMT
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We test quite a few EXEMPT cars just to put customers mind at rest as a lot of CLASSIC vehicles are generally used sporadically so at least they know it’s not rotten and the brakes actually work 😎 and hopefully helps with keeping their insurance company happy . At the end of the day we were always told the mot is based on minimum standards 😂😂
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Finding out who MOT’d a car?fraudownersclub
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Oct 15, 2020 18:20:07 GMT
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Caveat Emptor. Even a fresh non-bent MOT is no assurance of anything. If an elderly car was halfway through a ticket, or more likely nowadays on a Boris ticket, I wouldn't be buying it without seeing it on ramps or crawling underneath it with a torch. A lot of corrosion can open up in a few months and some cars for sale won't have seen a garage in 18 months.
This happened to me whilst driving. It passed cleanly through my trusted usual place that I would have called harsh but fair only two weeks earlier.
The rear hub actually tore off the control arm at the bottom. When I challenged the guy on it and showed him the photos, he was pretty genuine about it, but admitted that during an MOT there's a limit to how much digging they can do. They can't remove anything, nor can they start digging into bodywork to see how far it goes. If the rear hub didn't have play and wasn't showing signs of imminent failure then it would have passed. And to be fair, the rest of the car looked alright. I started doing my own digging with a chisel in an attempt to get this welded up and back on the road.
I had to remove the boot plastics, subframe, fuel tank and rear suspension to actually see the weakest parts. It took a hammer, chisel, jetwash and a wire brush to reveal just how utterly shagged the car was under the old underseal and mud. I should have taken a before an after picture but I really didn't expect it to be THIS bad until I got there.
This car was an 05 plate, btw, and got fragged soon after.
That looks like it lived in the river. Shure Vosa used to give the testers pointers as to inherent problems
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