TessierAshpool
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All good replies folks, thanks. I do like RR for the reason it's so eclectic, and have tended toward shows that are not tied to a specific culture or brand. My brother's been to JDM shows and attended shows as part of BMW clubs in the past, but I've not gone in for that myself as there's only so many of the same car you can look at as you say. I've found one-make/model forums etc. to be generally accepting and informative, maybe I've been lucky there! It probably helps that none of them could be considered on-trend - BriSkoda and the Supra MK3 owners were great when I was on there a lot. The Jackeria touched on the perception of others outside the scene about your choice, is that something others have experienced?
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The only time I got close to having a scene car was when I had a mini, at the time the scene suggested that cooper-lookalikes were what you needed, but I had a clubman estate, just because no one else wanted them. Alot has changed since then, and a far as personality clashes go, even my small local mini club managed to vanish up its own exit thanks to a minor fall-out between 2 members. Ive never really owned a car with 'scene' being at the top of my list, its just about owning an old car simply for the sake of it, I don't have an old car now but if I did the car I want is still very much an 'owners club' backed car, not a scene car.
What I noticed about the RR shows was, its a scene without being 'scene', in as much as its all about doing your own thing, most scenes are about being sheep.
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Last Edit: Dec 8, 2020 11:31:50 GMT by bmcnut
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All good replies folks, thanks. I do like RR for the reason it's so eclectic, and have tended toward shows that are not tied to a specific culture or brand. My brother's been to JDM shows and attended shows as part of BMW clubs in the past, but I've not gone in for that myself as there's only so many of the same car you can look at as you say. I've found one-make/model forums etc. to be generally accepting and informative, maybe I've been lucky there! It probably helps that none of them could be considered on-trend - BriSkoda and the Supra MK3 owners were great when I was on there a lot. The Jackeria touched on the perception of others outside the scene about your choice, is that something others have experienced? I should add, my experiences of those were within the Triumph Club (won't sell x part to me but happy to sell to someone else, despite me being first to the post and offering them what they were asking) I never experienced that with the much larger VW scene/Subaru/MX5 groups, for the most part they were extremely accommodating much like here is, then again I wasn't exactly pushing the envelope. On the whole, my experiences were great, they were just the two times over the last 10 years that I can remember that were "anti-scene" if you like and even then the "not our car" thing is so small it's water under the bridge, annoying at the time, hasn't really made owning it harder and if anything, has opened the door to me doing what I want to the car because that will make it "mine". Not that the door wasn't open from the day we bought it.
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vulgalour
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One thing that can’t go unmentioned is There is a HUGE amount of racism, xenophobia, sexism and homophobia within car scenes, with some scenes being much worse for it than others...Personally I’d rather see people ostracised from my ‘scene’ for holding those beliefs rather than being the wrong colour or sex... THIS. While I have experienced plenty of supportive people in various clubs and groups over the years, the more mainstream you go the worse this becomes. The Classic Car (tm) scene is one of the worst I've experienced for it, being beaten only by the Watercooled VW Scene. Happily, in recent years there has been a definite change with the former and I've met some awesome women well into their retirement and enjoying their own cars in their own way. It's particularly satisfying on those rare occasions when a punter at a show starts talking to the man sat by the car and he says to them "You'll have to ask my wife, its her car". More of that, please. Bored of the gatekeepers shutting perfectly capable and enthusiastic folks out.
On the flipside, the one huge advantage to scene cars is that there's so much support and knowledge that's so easily accessible. Trying to troubleshoot and fix an MG B is always going to be that much easier than a Maxi, even though the two cars aren't that far removed from one another. There's scene stuff I love and now can't afford, I'd still really like a 1200 Beetle some day but I can no longer justify the purchase price for one. So the wheel turns on that one.
I'd never buy a car because it was part of a scene, if it has a scene I'll give it a go just in case (Citroen owners are generally really very friendly and supportive, no matter how good or bad your car is), but I always expect to be disappointed because people are going to be people.
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alecf
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When I saw the terminology 'scene' I immediately thought of a car I once owned some 10 years ago. The car was purchased with the plate which then went back to its original owner. The car was once quite big on the 'scene' however I haven't really been into any car scene for over 10 years now so just drive it and enjoyed it until I sold it before killing myself in it.
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Not sure owning a 'scene' car means you meet people of a certain 'persuasion' or view point, one way or another, any more than you might find those same people at say, a local Rugby Club or the school gates even. If you put a group of people together, irrespective of the reason, they will no doubt be a wide range of views. This forum has been mentioned as something different to that, which it might be, however, I've been to a couple of the meets arranged on here that are fairly local to me,(I have put posts to this effect in those threads before) namely the Fry Up Club East Mids (F.U.C.E.M.) & the meet at The Clock Tower Pub near Shardlow, both venues on a few different occasions in very obviously retro cars. Not a single person wanted to talk, not one sentence, so lets not get all high & mighty about how 'none clicky' we are.
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I've been into cars for more than 50 years and usually been a member of one or more owners clubs throughout all that time. Not the same cars or the same clubs mind you and nothing particulary sceney (if that's a word)
But because I am, at heart, a modder, unable to leave any car as the manufacturer left it, my reception at clubs and club events has always been mixed. The "you've ruined that" brigade are never far away! Others welcome me with open arms and respect the engineering, even if they privately doubt the validity of my concepts. Still others love it and want a ride!
This is how I personally roll, my cars were built for me to drive and enjoy, if you don't like it, walk away, you'll get no hard feelings from me! if you DO like it, THANKS! It's always good to be appreciated and if you want one like it, i'll build you one or help you with your own vision. This laissez faire attitude (and my considerable experience with various marques) seems to have won me a grudging respect from even the most diehard originality freaks out there.
I don't do a lot of shows, i'd rather drive than polish anyday, but I always do at least 1 a year that is for the owners club of what i'm currently driving (however bastardised it is) that way it doesn't get stale or annoying and I can see what other folks visions are doing and maybe nick some ideas!
I also thoroughly enjoy RRG (which for the last few years has been virtually in my backyard) it's really good to find a scene (if I can use that term without implied criticism) where anything with wheels and a motor is appreciated for what it IS and not what someone else thinks it ought to be! Long may it continue!
Steve
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best show i ever attended was vw tatton park , full of like minded people , nice cars
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Aarrrrrhhh scene Ive got many tales about scene cars and there owners Back in the early 2000s I was chief show judge at a well known Essex car show where six shows a year were held I had my cortina mk2 back then , delightful to walk past it finding a fella on his knees counting the rivets on the inside of my wheels, then proudly telling all my car had fake lotus steels.....sad individual Another man buying a les leston steering wheel in the autojumble and then coming back and selling it to a member of his own club for a tidy profit and laughing about it ..knob I also had the delight of a Granada club member telling me if I didn’t move another Granada club away from them they wouldn’t come back again....my reply “don’t come back then pal” Nearly all of my experiences over the years have involved ford clubs not individual entries I got so fed up with the whole car thing when my pub meet I organised was ruined by a few individuals with there constant sniping I packed the car thing in for some five years I’m glad to say my pals in the fraudownersclub are just a bunch of mates having a laugh at shows around the country The fraud name is just that cos our cars are all modified and fraud according to the anoraks !!! We attended RR shows and many other before covid struck And enjoyed everyone, it’s what you make it Scene people come and go I just tend to walk away from any backbiting these days
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Last Edit: Dec 8, 2020 18:46:06 GMT by Mercdan68
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shin2chin
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I've had lots of VWs, the last 2 being a Mk2 Golf and now a Beetle. As has been said, you can own the car and not get involved in the "scene". I just do my own thing and try not to follow fashions or fads. To be honest I've encountered much worse people with my 924, mainly purists who can't tolerate anything other than standard.
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1977 PORSCHE 2.0na 924 1974 VW Beetle 1600
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kabman
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I have owned air-cooled VWs for 30 years. I was heavily involved in that scene in the 90's. Had a ball. All my friends were made at shows or through clubs. But it was era when VWs, especially buses, were everywhere and dirt cheap and shows were fun and a the best way to find parts. Shows got less and less fun as prices went up and up and the cars got increasingly predictable. I got tired of endless T4s and rat-look splits and the money involved changed the type of people. I gave up going to VW shows. Or maybe I just got old. Now get off my lawn.
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Roach
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Best thing I ever did was get out of a vw.. I see them as young people’s cars tbh.
I’ve owned loads and loads.... never part of a scene tho... my problem was people assuming I was.
I don’t really like people full stop.
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Is it a coincidence that the the name mentioned most is VW? 😉
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Roach
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I still love them. But I don’t feel right driving them. Last one I had was a beetle that I built.... felt like a bit of a girl driving it.
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Is it a coincidence that the the name mentioned most is VW? 😉 Its probably mentioned most because its so popular, so more are likely to have an opinion. Ive only ever been to one VW show, Sandown, twice actually, and the first time I went I was blown away by the incredibly high standard of builds as we walked in the door, but also blown away by the amount of rat-look parked outside, and The VW's that ive never seen before or didnt actually know existed. And the BMX display was cool. That was the first year. The second year it was all the same again, except for 'the' Allegro. Which was star of the show for me. And Allegro. At a VW show. Having grown up around BL cars I really thought time at a VW show would be a world away from what I was used too. Not so. Ive never got close to being part of the VW scene, but I cant imagine its much worse than any other, its just bigger. Ive experienced things within the BL and MG world that might make some walk away, situations connected with other peoples opinions on modified cars, and how they think theyve been ruined, like when I sprayed the roof on my mini silver. Big deal, its paint. And being critisised for modifying my MG Maestro was amusing when I pointed out that most MG's are modified Morris's anyway... but then if I worried about what they think then mabie I shouldnt own the car in the first place, or support the club, etc etc.
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ChasR
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Yup, quite a few scenes. The main ones that come to mind include -Triumphs, especially Stags -Bugs ; despite not being an owner I am loosely involved ; after all, I run a unit with them all being Dubs! -Local clubs, mainly MotoFest based -Mercedes scene ; W124 scene is a little clickly, but the W108 is quite good, albeit quite pretentious as well! -M3, yes, really! It's a little like the above. The Clickiness can get annoying but bear this in mind. A few people will be a person non grata (PNG shall we say) to this scene. Sometimes it's down to them having great ideas. Quite a bit of the time, it's down to them being a downright Charlaton. Sure, clicky groups have their issues but they do like to look after their own too. And what is wrong with that? . Isn't that the purpose of clubs? As long as the right folk don't get hurt, that's the main thing. I can appreciate that's easier said than done. Those PNGs I mention will then join other groups, and make themselves out to be a saint. However, they will not hesitate in selling worn out curse word to folk, claiming it's "better than anything Chinese", when it isn't as its worn beyond the nub, and claim to be helping out local folk, knowing full well their parts might present a problem. That is what I detest about the classic car scene. What I am saying is take no one, and I mean no one to be better than a club, or even above the bar/level of others, and take things with a pinch of salt. Some folks are lucky enough to have been around to spot such Charlatons from a mile away.
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The sweet irony that PNG is the abbreviation of Performance Nova Group. To be fair in my eyes I don't care what you drive as long as it's a car that makes you passionate about owning it. Not to conform to some misguided ideology set out by someone in a Rallye Sport jacket that is now 2 sizes too small since they bought it in the 70s or some egocentric idiot who's beliefs are in the bigoted past. Like what you like, be who you are and enjoy the all encompassing crowd here. Where else do you see a DAF engined Toyota supra as one example
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Paul
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Been part of a few 'scenes' I guess over the years.
The watercooled Dub thing was great about 15 years ago, but I wonder if I got lucky...there were a whole bunch of us in Essex of similar ages, similar interests, similar skill levels and similar incomes - so there wasn't really much one-upmanship or snobbery. But after a couple of years we grew up, went our separate ways, and whenever I've ventured back in it's been far less welcoming.
Porsche 911 ownership is a whole new level of arseholery - 50% of owners see them as an investment and are only interested in how much they paid v. how much it'll be worth in x years (so it's all they'll talk about), 40% want to take pictures of their steering wheel adorned with their new Breitling, and about 10% are sound guys who don't mind getting their hands dirty.
The Toyota Paseo owner I've met seems a sound guy tho.
Ain't no scene like the RR scene for me...
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duncanmartin
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To be honest I've encountered much worse people with my 924, mainly purists who can't tolerate anything other than standard. The 924oc had some people who are purist, but also had a bunch of modified cars, and the community and the forum was pretty cool. Likewise, TIPEC seemed quite open to modified cars. The Porsche Club GB people on the other hand... All past tense, given I sold my 924 3 years ago.
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TessierAshpool
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The Toyota Paseo owner I've met seems a sound guy tho. The Paseo purists will be round soon enough
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