cjj
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Jan 19, 2021 22:15:58 GMT
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Yes but the point is that Halogen bulbs will do that do direct the light in a specific direction - are LED replacements guaranteed to concentrate the light output in the same direction? LED lights tend not to, which is why a lot of LED interior bulbs don't work very well when the replace T5s That was exactly my point several posts back. Interesting quote from Glenn's link (which was very informative); "We believe that the system for car bulbs is vastly outdated. The The Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989 is based on old technology and doesn’t account for newer technologies like LED’s. The regulations are not in-line with current MOT testing guidelines and creates a confusing message for people looking to purchase these products" So there you have it - they are illegal - but shouldn't be, lol. Maybe. Problem I see, having owned a lot of different makes and marques, is that it's the kind of "mod" that someone tends to do on the cheap. Think Vauxhall Zafira, boggo spec, "because Vauxhall" on the windscreen, £300 head unit, seats and wheels from a VXR, but Three-A part worns on all four corners, opaque yellowed headlight lenses, but a set of supernova spec LED bulbs in every possible light unit all bought from Wish. There are groups full of that kind of car, and they will ruin it for people doing it properly in the same way that we're not trusted to spread a virus because some people think common sense is to have house parties and days out to Scotland from Cornwall. Part of the horror of being on car 'groups' on things like Facebook is seeing just how imbalanced people's priorities are on where they spend their money and where they don't.
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My headlights are factory HID, and no washers. I've also had a car that doesn't do the whole ABS light startup that usually results in a fail, and had to argue the toss with the tester that this make/model car doesn't do that. I don't have the regulations to hand, but it is only required to have washers if the light output exceeds 2000 lumens. Something to do with water residue and dazzling. I would, however, use auto-levelling as a more competent source of 'things required on Xenon/LED lights'. No washers, no autolevel. Factory Fit HID. Housings say D2R on them. It's an Import, so I'm not sure what special treatment they get.
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Jan 20, 2021 13:33:23 GMT
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That was exactly my point several posts back. Interesting quote from Glenn's link (which was very informative); "We believe that the system for car bulbs is vastly outdated. The The Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989 is based on old technology and doesn’t account for newer technologies like LED’s. The regulations are not in-line with current MOT testing guidelines and creates a confusing message for people looking to purchase these products" So there you have it - they are illegal - but shouldn't be, lol. Maybe. Problem I see, having owned a lot of different makes and marques, is that it's the kind of "mod" that someone tends to do on the cheap. Think Vauxhall Zafira, boggo spec, "because Vauxhall" on the windscreen, £300 head unit, seats and wheels from a VXR, but Three-A part worns on all four corners, opaque yellowed headlight lenses, but a set of supernova spec LED bulbs in every possible light unit all bought from Wish. There are groups full of that kind of car, and they will ruin it for people doing it properly in the same way that we're not trusted to spread a virus because some people think common sense is to have house parties and days out to Scotland from Cornwall. Part of the horror of being on car 'groups' on things like Facebook is seeing just how imbalanced people's priorities are on where they spend their money and where they don't. I don't disagree at all. But......if 'they' were to stop all the cheap knock offs and 'us' being able to fit them then it would mean no modifying cars (or anything else) at all. Like every aspect in life, there are always the few/many spoiling it for the many/few.
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mk2cossie
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Jan 20, 2021 14:00:17 GMT
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I don't have the regulations to hand, but it is only required to have washers if the light output exceeds 2000 lumens. Something to do with water residue and dazzling. I would, however, use auto-levelling as a more competent source of 'things required on Xenon/LED lights'. No washers, no autolevel. Factory Fit HID. Housings say D2R on them. It's an Import, so I'm not sure what special treatment they get. All of the special treatment The manual only states that HID and LeD "may" have washers and auto levelling. We've had several cars in at work we have failed for the headlight washers not working. Only on further investigation, the reason they don't work is because there isn't any fitted! But the bumper has cutouts where the washers would be (on LED Audi vehicles mainly)
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cjj
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Jan 20, 2021 15:05:59 GMT
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Maybe. Problem I see, having owned a lot of different makes and marques, is that it's the kind of "mod" that someone tends to do on the cheap. Think Vauxhall Zafira, boggo spec, "because Vauxhall" on the windscreen, £300 head unit, seats and wheels from a VXR, but Three-A part worns on all four corners, opaque yellowed headlight lenses, but a set of supernova spec LED bulbs in every possible light unit all bought from Wish. There are groups full of that kind of car, and they will ruin it for people doing it properly in the same way that we're not trusted to spread a virus because some people think common sense is to have house parties and days out to Scotland from Cornwall. Part of the horror of being on car 'groups' on things like Facebook is seeing just how imbalanced people's priorities are on where they spend their money and where they don't. I don't disagree at all. But......if 'they' were to stop all the cheap knock offs and 'us' being able to fit them then it would mean no modifying cars (or anything else) at all. Like every aspect in life, there are always the few/many spoiling it for the many/few. Well, not necessarily, but there seems to be very little benefit to doing things the 'right' way. It's like when you sometimes pay extra on insurance for non-standard wheels, exhaust etc, but 8/10 people seem to never do it and nothing really ever seems to result from it. Not saying we should be more like Germany (with TUV) or Ireland in scrutinising any changes, but instead of enforcing better standards they introduce rules... and the same people that don't follow the rules still break them anyway, which often means the wrong people suffer.
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fraudownersclub
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Jan 21, 2021 10:10:02 GMT
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fraudownersclub
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Jan 21, 2021 10:12:16 GMT
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mk2cossie
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Jan 21, 2021 13:20:18 GMT
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The trouble is, as already stated by blackpopracing I think, the LED or HID stuff is NOT E marked for road use, and the packaging usually says "not for highway use" on it as the get out clause
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cjj
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Jan 21, 2021 20:08:16 GMT
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🤔😉 Most car magazines these days read like the people working for them don't know much about them, to be fair. Like that one suggesting you should modify your car and then, in the same sentence, imply you wouldn't tell your insurance (or somehow expect a reduction?)
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ChasR
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Jan 21, 2021 23:52:40 GMT
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That was exactly my point several posts back. Interesting quote from Glenn's link (which was very informative); "We believe that the system for car bulbs is vastly outdated. The The Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989 is based on old technology and doesn’t account for newer technologies like LED’s. The regulations are not in-line with current MOT testing guidelines and creates a confusing message for people looking to purchase these products" So there you have it - they are illegal - but shouldn't be, lol. Maybe. Problem I see, having owned a lot of different makes and marques, is that it's the kind of "mod" that someone tends to do on the cheap. Think Vauxhall Zafira, boggo spec, "because Vauxhall" on the windscreen, £300 head unit, seats and wheels from a VXR, but Three-A part worns on all four corners, opaque yellowed headlight lenses, but a set of supernova spec LED bulbs in every possible light unit all bought from Wish. There are groups full of that kind of car, and they will ruin it for people doing it properly in the same way that we're not trusted to spread a virus because some people think common sense is to have house parties and days out to Scotland from Cornwall. Part of the horror of being on car 'groups' on things like Facebook is seeing just how imbalanced people's priorities are on where they spend their money and where they don't. I do try to avoid certain groups these days for this reason. 🤔😉 Most car magazines these days read like the people working for them don't know much about them, to be fair. Like that one suggesting you should modify your car and then, in the same sentence, imply you wouldn't tell your insurance (or somehow expect a reduction?) Indeed! Quite a few examples come to mind. Despite there being good, compact jump packs out there from Noco, and Anti-Gravity etc. , a certain Landrover magazine decided to show a jump starter which looked like it was 10 years old, less powerful than the modern offerings, less convenient in addition to being bulkier! Christ, whichever car I drive, I tend to keep a jump starter in it! It's small enough to be insurance and at times it has been (i.e I didn't turn the lights off; I know, a silly thing to do!). Then again, from doing work experience with magazines and knowing a few key chaps both still in and out of the industry, it is not a profession which pays very well. That no doubt is going to affect how products are rated, especially where freebies are involved. Furthermore, it will also affect more aspects including the quality of testing. But that is getting away from the subject matter here .
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adam73bgt
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imply you wouldn't tell your insurance (or somehow expect a reduction?) The way I read it, I think their meaning is that by your car having better lighting to see and be seen you're less likely to have a crash, thus not having to spend as much money on repairs/insurance Bit of an odd sentence though
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cjj
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Jan 22, 2021 19:43:50 GMT
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imply you wouldn't tell your insurance (or somehow expect a reduction?) The way I read it, I think their meaning is that by your car having better lighting to see and be seen you're less likely to have a crash, thus not having to spend as much money on repairs/insurance Bit of an odd sentence though The whole logic is a bit strange. If someone can't see you with normal halogen dips on then they're most definitely blind. More chance they won't see you because you've turned your car into the LED equivalent of a red giant star. Surely that's more accident worthy? Who knows! COMMISSION!
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