v8ian
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My logic fails me at the moment, Just feeling the water at the moment and hypothetical , I have quite possibly acquired a 60s RWD ford, no big deal really, but, I know from experience that the small capacity pre x flow is not a pudding skin puller, I'm thinking something bigger.... 4 pot, do I go Zetec, or Pinto, , Puma 1700, ST170. 2.3 chain motor, what is worth converting, the torque of the pinto appeals but the heavy weight hanging over the front is less appealing, I may prefer a fully mechanical engine, carbs etc, just for ease of installation.
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Atmo V8 Power . No slicks , No gas + No bits missing . Doing it in style.
Austin A35van, very different------- but still doing it in style, going to be a funmoble
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So a 997 Anglia then!
The world really is your oyster, but for me there are only really 2 choices, keep it old Skool and go for a Burton-esque 1600+ Crossflow on a pair of Webers, or, for a more modern take, I think well of the 1700 Puma lump, it's quick, light and very responsive but strong and reliable too. Yamaha really got it right with this one. Maybe on ITBs or bike carbs. With a car as light as the Anglebox, you don't NEED massive horsepower or torque, the fun is in creating a balanced product that handles as well as it goes. Remember Colin Chapman's famous motto, "to go faster, add lightness!"
Have fun, Steve
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v8ian
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So a 997 Anglia then! The world really is your oyster, but for me there are only really 2 choices, keep it old Skool and go for a Burton-esque 1600+ Crossflow on a pair of Webers, or, for a more modern take, I think well of the 1700 Puma lump, it's quick, light and very responsive but strong and reliable too. Yamaha really got it right with this one. Maybe on ITBs or bike carbs. With a car as light as the Anglebox, you don't NEED massive horsepower or torque, the fun is in creating a balanced product that handles as well as it goes. Remember Colin Chapman's famous motto, "to go faster, add lightness!" Have fun, Steve Nope, not an anglebox I have had a few,, if it was it would have been a crossflow, its a ford style I have never owned, and I have owned most of fords 60 & 70s lineup, but this one has eluded me, A Twink would be right at home to, but The heads are right out of my budget. The car turns up on Thursday, and then, I will put up pictures.......... |
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Atmo V8 Power . No slicks , No gas + No bits missing . Doing it in style.
Austin A35van, very different------- but still doing it in style, going to be a funmoble
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Might help to put the car up first, I know its not an anglebox but a few need cutting to get stuff in
Btw have you seen the price of a 1600 xflow now ?!😳
We’ve put several different engines in several different old fords, anything from xflow into anglia to boa/bob into capri and Sierra
Lots go zetec because of price and availability but rwd conversion bits can be expensive
How are your wiring skills?
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duratec with mk3 Mx5 gearbox?
It depends on what your wanting to use it for?
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Take the Next slot right coming up on the left.
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andyborris
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Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose.
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Something from the Vauxhall range? I'll get my coat  |
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v8ian
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Might help to put the car up first, I know its not an anglebox but a few need cutting to get stuff in Btw have you seen the price of a 1600 xflow now ?!😳 We’ve put several different engines in several different old fords, anything from xflow into anglia to boa/bob into capri and Sierra Lots go zetec because of price and availability but rwd conversion bits can be expensive How are your wiring skills? Until the car is tucked up on my drive, its a secret, don't want to be Gazumped, Prices of anything pre 80s ford are getting stupid, Just seen a Lotus Short engine, so thats a front cover, 125e rods, flat top pistons and a pair of nasty carbs, 3k+ complete fresh engines 10k!!!!!, Pintos seem to have fallen off the face of the earth, and what is there seems to be expensive rubbish, ST170s might be an option, I have seen people running them on carbs, and the VVT on a button on the wheel. surprisingly good fun, Zetac, I could go that route, cheap and plentiful, I have an emerald ECU, and a generic loom from Emerald for a Zetec is not silly money, the world is indeed my Lobster |
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Atmo V8 Power . No slicks , No gas + No bits missing . Doing it in style.
Austin A35van, very different------- but still doing it in style, going to be a funmoble
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My coat is at the ready.
2.2 duratorque, de-cat, egr blank, re map. 200 ish bhp and 50 plus mpg.
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misteralz
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I may drive a Volkswagen, but I'm scene tax exempt!
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1300 Suzuki Jimny and lose the transfer box?
Won't set the world alight, but it'll keep up with modern traffic. Unless you're stuffing it in one of the three graces, in which case it won't. But the same logic would still apply - something from an overlooked 4x4 or pickup.
Edit - rotten Z3s are plentiful and cheap. SLKs doubly so, and superchargers are supercool.
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Last Edit: Jun 4, 2021 11:29:30 GMT by misteralz
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Fair point on ford price v8ian, i can see what you mean by wanting to keep it secret! When I said about price, i was referring more to rwd water rail , flywheel etc, mk2 son bought a mani for a twinchoke carb for a zetec and it was nearly £300!😳 |
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1200 Cortina then?
(only one more option if it's not that...)
Pinto is not worth it now the Zetec and newer engines exist. It's an old fashioned engine, and in the small Fords it's heavy and tall.
Zetecs are a fairly straightforward swap and almost everything is available off the shelf. The only real disadvantage is it's not the cheapest of swaps but when you weigh it up against the cost of a tuned crossflow or pre-crossflow it's actually not that expensive. If you want carbs, I think there is an ECU available off the shelf to do that. There is a manifold adaptor plate so you can use the old alloy 1600 Sport crossflow inlet manifold or for Webers they just have their own manifolds.
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v8ian
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1200 Cortina then? (only one more option if it's not that...) Pinto is not worth it now the Zetec and newer engines exist. It's an old fashioned engine, and in the small Fords it's heavy and tall. Zetecs are a fairly straightforward swap and almost everything is available off the shelf. The only real disadvantage is it's not the cheapest of swaps but when you weigh it up against the cost of a tuned crossflow or pre-crossflow it's actually not that expensive. If you want carbs, I think there is an ECU available off the shelf to do that. There is a manifold adaptor plate so you can use the old alloy 1600 Sport crossflow inlet manifold or for Webers they just have their own manifolds. Pintos a bit like me then, heavy and quite tall..... Nope, not a mk1 cortina 1200, a ST170 might fit the bill, can I fit a retro style BDA/BDG cam cover on it  |
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Last Edit: Jun 4, 2021 15:47:23 GMT by v8ian
Atmo V8 Power . No slicks , No gas + No bits missing . Doing it in style.
Austin A35van, very different------- but still doing it in style, going to be a funmoble
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Ran a zetec ion carb with a nodiz ecu, worked reasonably well but after sales support wasn’t brilliant, and they seemed to expect us to know when they changed wire colour from the diagram and didn’t tell anyone!🙄
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cjhillman
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Since the Weekender all I've been thinking of is converting my old Fords to modern Zetecs for more grunt. Quite like the idea of running my Capri with a ST170 or 2.0 blacktop and doing away with the Pinto. I guess it can get pricey but that Carb based Nodiz ECU seems good from the video (although doesnt sound great about their aftermarket sales). maybe with a 32/36 or twin 40s? I bet its a lot easier to get decent power than from the Pinto.
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Fitted with precrossflow engines include 997 and 1200cc Anglia and their related vans, 997cc 107E Prefect, 1200 and 1500cc MkI Cortina, VERY early MKII Cortinas, 1340 and 1500cc Consul Classic and Capri and early 1500cc Corsair. I can't think of any others. The only one that was a TOTAL turkey was the 1340, 3 bearing Classic engine. But I don't consider the 1500 to be "low capacity" My 3rd ever car was a 65 Cortina Super Estate (with the fake wood, a "bishop") I had that out to 1650cc with a hot cam, all balanced and nitrided some fancy head from somewhere and a pair of 40DHLA Dellotos + 4 branch and straight through, it made about 110bhp (not bad in '74) through a 2000E box and GT diff and I loved it! I even kept the bench seat and column gears it came with, there wan nothing to see on the outside except the banded steelies and Lotus quarter bumpers. Back when I had my V6 Consul 375 my neighbour had a well sorted PCF 65 Corsair GT 1500 2 door. I'd give my left testicle for that car now! Steve
PS, Last year I scrapped a 1700 Puma engine and box (from a damaged car) cos nobody wanted it. I'd saved the looms and everything but had it on ebay 2 or 3 times at £100 start and no takers. Had to bin it when my landlord died and I lost my workshop/yard.
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Last Edit: Jun 4, 2021 20:03:05 GMT by carledo
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I'd also go for the mx5 lump, 130 hp in standard form engine an box are pretty much bomb proof and the engine management can be carried over easily enough.(on the earlier ones)
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Key problem with MX5 engines in the pre-crossflow fords is the rear bowl sump. The Kent engine in those is front bowl to clear the steering links and crossmember and it’s a lot of work to chop all of those about.
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Key problem with MX5 engines in the pre-crossflow fords is the rear bowl sump. The Kent engine in those is front bowl to clear the steering links and crossmember and it’s a lot of work to chop all of those about. True, and the cortinas kept the frontwell sump through the entire production run of the first two marks, pretty sure the only fords that did . Also you can pay almost as much for a GT frontwell sump as an entire crossflow! Ive seen angleboxes fitted with Escort struts and crossmembers to get around this, but there are other issues created by this, not least with the ‘modified vehicles ‘ tag, but thats a whole new argument! |
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v8ian
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Interesting thoughts chaps, keep them coming, I don’t think I want to run from the Ford engine, and NOT a diesel, lots of good options to mull over, I have a very good mate that is a Kent expert, so that’s another option, plus I know my way around 1500/1600 Kent’s, but I like the idea of the st170, bolts up to the Ford gearbox, I have a set of bike jenveys which can be made to fit the engine, I have an emerald ecu, which I can send up to Dave Walkers, get configured for the engine and get a plug n play loom too, that leaves mounts, water rail, exhaust, and possibly sump too,
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Atmo V8 Power . No slicks , No gas + No bits missing . Doing it in style.
Austin A35van, very different------- but still doing it in style, going to be a funmoble
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v8ian
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Interesting thoughts chaps, keep them coming, I don’t think I want to run from the Ford engine, and NOT a diesel, lots of good options to mull over, I have a very good mate that is a Kent expert, so that’s another option, plus I know my way around 1500/1600 Kent’s, but I like the idea of the st170, bolts up to the Ford gearbox, I have a set of bike jenveys which can be made to fit the engine, I have an emerald ecu, which I can send up to Dave Walkers, get configured for the engine and get a plug n play loom too, that leaves mounts, water rail, exhaust, and possibly sump too,
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Atmo V8 Power . No slicks , No gas + No bits missing . Doing it in style.
Austin A35van, very different------- but still doing it in style, going to be a funmoble
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