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Sept 7, 2021 10:31:26 GMT
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Specifically the type with two upper suspension links tying onto the top sides of the diff. Can't recall seeing one with a panhard rod or Watts linkage fitted, is the location method substantial enough for lateral location without additional help or am I just blind? 😃 I'm sure someone told me avenger estates have a panhard rod?
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slater
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Sept 7, 2021 12:04:51 GMT
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Yep! That's basically the setup we put on the Anglia race cars. Two rods from the front spring hanger type area to the top of the diff. Usually referred to as 'A bars' for obvious reasons. They stop tramp and provide the lateral location so no need for panhard rod etc.
Hope you're well too!
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Sept 7, 2021 13:59:35 GMT
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Good news! I can stop eyeing up astra j's for their watts now 😃 I kinda figured that might be the case, makes life easier. Why do escort etc people not mount theirs like this instead of using the parallel 4 bar and panhard? With the latest round of bionic pieces, I'm good man! |
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Sept 7, 2021 16:15:43 GMT
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I believe the panhard or watts set up gives a lower roll centre.
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Sept 7, 2021 17:04:22 GMT
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...Or lower still from a Mumford link is possible.
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I believe the panhard or watts set up gives a lower roll centre. Depends on where and how it's mounted. A satchel link system gives a low roll centre but packaging can be an issue. |
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Proton Jumbuck-deceased :-(
2005 Kia Sorento the parts hauling heap
V8 Humber Hawk
1948 Standard12 pickup SOLD
1953 Pop build (wifey's BIVA build).
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The Capri Club location kit always intrigued me...
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Sept 8, 2021 10:32:51 GMT
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The Capri Club location kit always intrigued me... It works well, but is a bit of a bodge. Mainly it stops the rear springs twisting, which makes the rear more predictable. A couple of hundred drag strip launches adds some extra shape to the springs which does the same thing, but isn't particularly scientific. What Capris absolutely do not need is massively stiff springs. |
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Sept 8, 2021 10:34:32 GMT
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I believe the panhard or watts set up gives a lower roll centre. Depends on where and how it's mounted. A satchel link system gives a low roll centre but packaging can be an issue. That's why Avenger estates don't have the angled top links. Satchel links do require the bushes to be in good condition. Boxing the top links is essential on an Avenger/Sunbeam. |
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Sept 8, 2021 12:15:39 GMT
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Satchel link has angled bottom links and parallel tops.
Apologies if I have mis-understood and am teaching egg sucking.
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Last Edit: Sept 8, 2021 12:17:45 GMT by crockpot
Proton Jumbuck-deceased :-(
2005 Kia Sorento the parts hauling heap
V8 Humber Hawk
1948 Standard12 pickup SOLD
1953 Pop build (wifey's BIVA build).
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Sept 8, 2021 21:48:46 GMT
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I've seen loads with the angled top links
But none with angled lower, did anyone use a satchel link on a production car?.
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Last Edit: Sept 8, 2021 21:50:24 GMT by kevins
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Non that I'm aware of, it seems to be very much a race or build yourself thing.m Even then it's not exactly common, probably because of the packaging issues. It has a low roll centre, good anti squat (can be made adjustable) and increasing understeer with increasing roll angle. What you do not get is roll oversteer. In other words what you get is a very forgiving suspension design which is why I chose it for Wifey's Pop.
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Proton Jumbuck-deceased :-(
2005 Kia Sorento the parts hauling heap
V8 Humber Hawk
1948 Standard12 pickup SOLD
1953 Pop build (wifey's BIVA build).
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Sept 9, 2021 19:02:33 GMT
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Certainly some awesome info here, thanks all. The outcome is just a fast road occasional trackday car, so I don't think I need play with roll centre, just checking lateral location.
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Sept 10, 2021 18:16:48 GMT
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Good news! I can stop eyeing up astra j's for their watts now 😃 I kinda figured that might be the case, makes life easier. Why do escort etc people not mount theirs like this instead of using the parallel 4 bar and panhard? The Escort etc people don't use the sloppy Cortina Avenger / Viva four link setup because it's not nearly as good as a five link system. |
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