1985 Porsche 944

[broady]

Aug 15, 2022 18:41:33 GMT motardman said:

I'm not sure where you are in the country, but I'd love to see the car. Blag a cheeky ride in it maybe?

I bet you could guess I was near to Hull if you read my last post again

I am the correct side of the bridge though between Lincoln and Scunthorpe. But yes you are welcome to see the car and have a ride once ive sorted the teething troubles out!

[broady]

Well I promised you it wouldn’t stop, the work continues.

Door cards were needed, mine are water damaged. I set about a repair with fibre glass tissue. First of all the foam buffer pads needed removing, following this I removed all the fluffy card with a wire brush and stanley knife. This was more of an experiment, as what I really need to do is remove the skin and sort out the water damage between the skin and hard board.

But this will give them some rigidity for the mean time.



I applied some weight, along with some packing inside the door pocket to try and correct the shape.



Fast forward some steps, water proof membrane installed. Foam padding installed as per factory. New door lock tell tails and securing clips. Everything cleaned with a tooth brush.



Obviously process repeated on the other side. Lets look at small details now.

A nice feature of the 944 is that if you open a door, not only does the interior light come on, but if you have forgotten to close a window, there is no need to put the key back in. A relay energises and sends power to the window motors so you can operate them. Just days after getting my car on the road this relay crapped itself. I bought a replacement, its a later spec with a higher current rating. But it was missing is mounting clip.





I moved the clip over, used some solid rivets and then fitted behind the dash.

Another super fun issue was just 4 days after the MOT. I arrived back at the car while out, it would spin over with out issue. But not a hint of life. It took me 10 minutes to remember my common 944 faults, but then the penny dropped. Check the DME relay, I used some wire wrapped around 3 terminals and plugged it back in.



The car immediately sprung back to life. When I got home the grey matter, wouldn’t let it rest, I was sure I had a new replacement and couldn’t work out why it wasn’t fitted. Sure enough I found this in the loft.



I installed this and its run perfectly ever since. It actually feels smoother, so I assume that relay was failing intermittently while the car was running.

One more little job for you, the light switch should be back lit. Fortunately mine just needed a new bulb, rather than any more serious work.

[jjeffries]

All things I’ve experienced with my 924S!

You’re doing such good work here.

Bests, John

[broady]

Time has slid on by again.

Happy details.



Throwing some more carpet and dodo liner at it.



I must say by this point, it was nice to be working at a more relaxed pace and enjoying it. Rather than busting my balls to get it done. And of course if I ever got fed up, I could just go for a drive!

Were going to flit about here as I work though jobs that suited my mood on the day.

Adjusting the front wing and spoiler brackets.



Lets have a few money shots shall we. I had been suffering with a common issue. The Dansk rear section of exhaust was touching the rear anti roll bar under certain conditions. This made a very violent noise in the cabin. Which of course was not aceptable. As this was an issue I solved years ago, I can only assume when I welded the over sized tube onto the down pipe, I didnt quite get it parralel with the centre of the car. I used the 4 post at work to have a play.

The centre section was just touching the heat sheild.



Before I dropoped it, there was only a couple of mm gap here.



I opened up these hangers to drop the rear of the silencer a couple of mm in an attempt to give some more roll bar clearance.



This worked, at least it did at the start. but 100 miles later the noise returned. I spent some more time working on the alignment and it seemed to fix it. But a noise would still come and go under certain conditions. So I often pondered this and returned to my original conclusion, I would have to cut and weld the exhaust again.

That would be for another day though.



I coninuted to use the car, aiming for 1000miles worth of shake down.

On a run back from Leeds I called in at Tesco. Everything had gone very well, a nice smooth 50 miles. Only for the car not to start when I got back in. The starter was dead, I had just been admiring how geat the car was looking too.



A quick look underneath revealed that the trigger terminal from the solenoid had fallen off. Some how!? Luckily it wasnt raining and I had a screwdriver in the boot. So ignition on and I bridged the contacts with the blade. She sprung back to life.



Inbetween all this fun, I had started fitting various bits of trim. Well actually id been rubbing down and painting.

[broady]

A friend and I made the cut at Caffeine and Machine yesterday.

http://instagram.com/p/Ci7ZgrdofKh

We had booked to go months ago. 24 hours before they annouced it was a Retro German day. We turned up in approved machinery.

[broady]

What have I been up to lately then, well, all that trim was painted. Then quite a few hours were spent fitting it.

The windscreen trim seems to have shrunk a little while it’s had a holiday in the loft. But if you don’t look at it too much it seems ok.



Also don't look lower than the trim, otherwise you might spot a shameful pair of wiper arms.

I then wasted an hour trying to fit the rear side window trims, only to realise that the trim needs to go in before the window meets the car. So rear side windows out again and on the bench.



These weren’t too bad to do once I was doing it the correct way. Both done and back in the car, next was the much less enjoyable door window trims.

What you see here took me something along the lines of 2 hours. And I am still not happy with it and will likely start again at some point in the winter. The passenger side is even worse and I’m not showing you that.



Shall we have some proper new bits then? With all the lovely paint and parts on the rear end, I needed to badge it up. Here is the old badge





Here is how it should look.


I got brave and decided I would fit this unsupervised. I spent about half an hour measuring up.







This pleased me no end!

The oil filler cap was letting the engine bay down, I bought a new one from Porsche. Its the later car style, so I am not 100% happy with it. But it smartens things up for now. And at some future stage when I'm rolling in spare cash (so never then). I will source and early style in good order.





Life isn’t all fun and sweeties though, there was some real work to face. The car had always been losing coolant. Only a dribble. So slight in fact there was never a puddle under the car. But the level was always a smidge lower when the car cooled down. I at first put this down to things settling in, and air purging from the system. I did a hose check, and a couple of clips took a nip. None the less, the problem persisted.

The conclusion I drew was, it was only leaking under pressure, as a result I had to get it hot and then have a look.

Success, I popped my nose under the front end when it was up to temp and saw a dribble coming down the side of the radiator. The area contained the thermostat switch. And 2 hoses. Having previously checked the hoses I laid the blame on the sealing washer for the switch.

An order was placed for a new washer, and some days later I set to and change it. Here’s the twist. Were you waiting for it?

System drained and bottom hose removed for access, I took the switch out. While it was out I realised Id installed the top hose clip at an angle which made it hard to undo with all the other parts around out. I put my screwdriver on it to undo and rotate it. As soon and I touch it the stub snapped off the radiator.



Imagine my joy! As luck would have it, I do have a spare radiator. They are eye wateringly expensive new. And I had the the chance of a good new one. So I grabbed it. A small matter of removing and swapped the stub. Stud extractors remove the other half from my radiator.





I threaded the new one in, placed my socket of it and gave it a nip. It sheared off immediately! Ordinarily id have put this down to me being a heavy-handed ape. But on this occasion, I was using 1/4 drive and bearing more than the weight of the ratchet handle. 3rd time luck then?

Years previous my original rad let go, but being a frugal sort, I stripped it before I skipped it. Up the loft ladder I went and managed to turn up my 3rd and finally stub.



All nailed back together and bleed, the dropped level has gone away! Another niggle found and fixed.

Oh and those wiper arms you say? Yeah I stripped and painted them as well.

[broady]

There hasn’t been lots to update you on with this. I have mostly been getting some miles on before winter and writing the winter tidy up list.

I'm well over 1000 miles since August 1st, so I think ive found everything I need to find before the salt goes down.

One of the issues was the back end kept sagging. The two eccentric nuts on the spring plates kept turning and this was dropping the rear end over half an inch. I adjusted this a couple of times, but 100 miles later it dropped back down. I decided to live with it while I was figuring out why. Unfortunately this came back to bite me.

The shock absorbers were overly compressed and driving down on the bottom turrets.



It let go on a bumpy section of road with a graunch. I limped the car home and took that photo. I knew this had a previous repair, I didn’t realise how bad it was. That combined with the extra load finished it off.



You can see the rusty welds, they hadn’t penetrated very far, if at all.

I had a look at the other side while I was under there, and it had a stress fracture as well.



As a result of this, ive cleaned it all up, welded and plated this to get me back rolling for another month. I will then take both arms off this winter and either replace if I can get decent ones, or do a decent repair.

While it was being repaired, I got to the bottom of the sagging, it was down to the wrong torque spec on the nuts. I'm not sure why I was so far off, but I was only using a figure about 1/3 of the correct spec. So my friend moler came round with his bad boy 5ft torque wrench and we got them up to 180ftlbs. I have to modify a spanner to fit on the back of the eccentric spanner. But with them done up properly, ive covered 200 miles and the back remains nice and level at factory height!

It feels like a different car to drive, visibility from the driver’s seat is much better. Except at night, this being down to the fact I had set the lights up when the back end had dropped a little bit. So these need adjusting again.

Short and sweet, but more to come this winter. Oh go on then, heres a few shots front of house at caffine and machine.

[broady]

You'll be wondering what’s been going on then. I haven’t sat idle, I’ve been working on a few other projects. But the 944 hasn’t been left alone.

I am now in that lovely phase where small odds and sods need doing, I discovered and may have mentioned that the rear wiper arm was wrong. I don’t know what car it’s from, or if its late car item. But its wrong. I managed to get this from the bay.

A little tired looking, but the correct item, and I have already bought the nut cover.



Paint stripped and primed it look much batter.





The finished article next time folks.

For Christmas I was spoilt rotten and received this modern retro radio. It is pretty accurately represents the original fitment. But is a modern radio inside.



I spent some time working on the install, I’ve temporarily hidden the DAB antenna under the dash. And the microphone is currently tucked away at the top of the windscreen. I haven’t bonded it on yet as I want to test it while driving, which I cant do until spring.



Next I attempted to instal the head unit, but I was a little disappointed with the quality of the mounting cage. With the cage solidly mounted, the head unit could move in and out about a mm. This meant turning it on and off would move the head unit around. A bit naff considering the cost.



I remedied this with some sticky back felt.



Once that issue was installed, it pressed into the cage and gave a nice satisfying click and now sits nice and firmly.



With it installed I could start to think about the next piece of the puzzle, I have got hold of this second hand loom cover. It needs some repair work, but its fairly rare to I'm please I have one. But I haven’t worked out the orientation yet.







This will need some research to get right, but I'm sure a cold winters evening googling with reveal all.

More jobs to come and I keep tickling away at the satisfying jobs.

[broady]

Where have I been?

So that wiper arm got painted, and I even put a bit of silver on the rivets to give the appearance of metal.



I also cleaned up the mounting hardware



This meant I also got to fit the proper cap to cover the wiper nut.



Pleaseingly installed offset wiper of period correctness.



While I have no photos, I finally got round to fitting my new steering shaft with new UJ's. This has transformed the steering feel. There is no play, somewthing which I hadnt really noticed was there, but it is noticable by its absence.

I also round the steering shaft was sliding in and out a couple of mm. This was owed to a fail bush.





With that pressed in, the steering wheel was mounted and it took up the end float on the shaft.

Some thing that was a bit fiddly at the time was the drivers side brake splash shield, I got hold of this used item, but the bearing cover was feathered. I used a steel tin to replace it. Then off to the powder coaters.





Next up was a major job, the annoying vibration for the gear shifter. I ordered a new shift lever. The pin have a habit of going barrel shaped.



I installed this, and while it was better, it was still sloppy. This suggested the problem lay with the long shift rod to the gearbox. This was hard to remove insitu, it would mean dropping the gearbox, which I didnt fancy. So I uncoupled it and using a hand reamer slowly opened it up. I put lots of good music on because this was time consuming and boring!

Once it was opened up a couple of mm, I made a tefflon insert.



This was a nice tight fit on both the shift lever and in the shift rod.



Then all assembled and adjusted as per the manual.




Finally I replaced this Mk4 golf boot with a proper leather one. Ive never had one of these in the 12 years ive owned this car. So it made me very happy.






Lastly for today another "ive never had it" the windscreen washers were from something else. Ive no idea what, but they werent 944. I bought the really deal heated nozzles. Something like £80 for the pair! ouch.





The wiring is a bit more difficult, it seems the car side of the loom has been cut. So for now I have the wires tied up while I get hold of the missing section of loom.

But those look much better.

[broady]

Been a while, I know..... built a green house and done some garden related things. Ive also been building the big engine for the old VW.

Things have been pottered along with on the porka though. You may or may not remember the rear suspension failured last year. Some research revealed that the arms for the old VW and the 944 were all most exactly the same. I had a spare pair of these, but they needed new bump stop mounts.

A few weeks back I was at Stanford Hall VW show and got a pair of old beetle bump stops for £3. These could be cut about to get the bits I needed.



Got them both knocked down and degreased.



And here are the donors



And then I forgot to do more photos in my haste. I sent them for blasting, once I had them back I inspected for cracks, they were in very good condition. So I welded the bump stop mounts on to the arms. Back to the poweder coaters for some satin black. Ill update when I get them back.

I decided to take the car to the Motorist on my birthday, they were kind enough to snap some photos.

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On the way home a bird came in for a very close look, it got so close it kissed the screen trim.



Most of this has polished out, but for some reason I painted this in gloss black, it should be satin black. So this will just encourage me to sort that out. Still feeling the need for easy work and happy details now though.

The front number plate needs a boundary to the white of the car. The porsche classic plate surrounds are too chunky. So I bought some pin stripe tape to have a little play. Enjoy the free susage.



While it looks like id had a few beers before hand, I promise I hadnt, I'm just not that good. It looks much better though, so I will get this profesionally pinstriped.



Next a job for me, the turbo splitter was held on with wood screws, because thats clearly how the folks in Stutgart did it!
I bought some M6 inserts, marked things out, cut them into the panels and bonded them with double bubble.



It was all then reinstalled properly with M6 hardware.

On a few runs out the rear end had been a little louder than id have liked, so I put some fresh sound proofing in.



I have started to dress the car up a little, researching as best I can the correct decals for the right pleaces.











Last weekend I had the car professionally detailed. A full days work, even though its relatively freshly painted. And what a stunning job she has done!



And on that shiney note, ill leave you for now.

[broady]

Short and sweet today, I finally got round to doing something with the DAB antenna. I pulled the trim down to discover that it has a little fillet already removed. Not only that but its the right depth for the module.





With that discovery Ive fitted up, for 1 last time I left the tape. Recption is good in the garage, I just want to do a short road test before sticking. But it will hardly be noticable.



And finally. Ive dressed her up a little bit for a weeks holiday. Can you guess where?

[Brigsy]

Class job, looks great.

[broady]

Nearly 2 months ago, that flashed past. So the DAB antenna is useless, I havent done anything about this yet. I need to do some research as to how I improve it. For now its stuff bluethoothed from my phone or what ever is on the SD card that slotted in.

Lets start with a little treat then, a needless bulb kit.





The car has been to a few shows an events this year, and pleasingly its recieved well. A birthday ride out to the motorist saw it feature in thier weekend album. With my friends cheeky UP! GTi in the back ground.





I was then at the Stanford Hall Classic VW show and invited to display on a club stand for the day.



And while this is not a show, just a group of mates going go-karting. Its a photo with some sexy metal in.



Next up was a game of tetris, I had 3 goes at this before I got everything in, in such a way that I could still see behind me and the boot stayed shut.



With the car fully preped and pack for Le Mans we head for the boarder with jim in his cortina.

forum.retro-rides.org/thread/121379/1966-mk1-cortina-gt?page=34&scrollTo=2791414

Or so I thought. A full mile from home the boot popped.



Some quick rearranging took the pressure off and the boot remained shut until I requested it to open.

We met up at Newark Services and set sail for Folkstone.

Halfway there we stopped of a pee break and a quick vehicle check.



The following morning we got on the underwater train.



We met up with another friend in a 944 who was already in France, and made tracks for the Le Mans. We arrived to a very hot field about tea time.





A great but exhuasting week was had by all, and whats more we had a smooth run home. Other than arriving to board our train and the Eurotunel only to find they had had a fire and we were lead away to safety, 20 minutes later we were on the next train and back to blightly.

The only failing of the car was that the speedo cable snapped as we joined the M25 on the way to Le Mans. Luckily google maps has a speedo, so I used my phone every time I drove.

Once home, clean, unpacked and slept I thought I best make an effort to remidy this. I popepd the breaing cap off and the cable came with it.



That made for an easy fix, I ordered a replacement and fitted it by taping a piece of wire to the old one and pulled it out. Then used this wire to pull the new one through.





I did also correct the speedo milage, as I was down about 1000 miles based on rough estimates of where id been since it snapped.

Anyone remember that dodgy trailing arm from a few months back? Well for Le Mans I put a doubler plate over it, now that its survived that trip, it was time to correct the issue. I had this replacement powder coated.



As you can see, a much happier looking arm.



This was actually a spare I had laying around from the fasty. forum.retro-rides.org/thread/52833/1971-vw-type-3-fastback

Some research told me there was 1 hole different. I removed the old arm, stripped the useful bits off it, bearings bushes ect and built them up into the new arm with a new hub seal.





Now while I was this deep into it, I decided I would reindex the suspension as the drivers side was sitting around 12mm lower than the passenger side. It was while doing this I noticed that I had been supplied with a L bar to replace a R bar I had removed. This explained why the drivers side keeps on dropping. The bars are prestressed against the anticipated direction of rotation. Solving this one will be a problem for future me.

None the less I reindexed and hopefully it will see me through a few more months.



I then built back up with the replacment arm and found the missing hole, if thats a thing?





After measuring the old arm, 3 maybe even 4 times. I marked out the arm, mesured for a 5th time. And set too with a drill.





I built the car back up and it seemed to sit ok. A little high on the drivers side, but I figured this would be ok as itll no doubt sag again after a mile or two. And there she was back on the road again. Next time, theres some "track work".

[broady]

Friday night treat then, happy with the car I finally booked a track evening at Cadwell Park. Its been about 6 years since I took the car round there. Back then it was on old suspension, original bushes, old tyres and full of filler. This time much improved, new dampers all round, pollybushes and half decent tyres. Among other bits and bobs.




This was towards the end of the evening as you can see from the setting sun. And the black stripe of brake dust around my wheels. Here are a few dynamic shots from my friends 911 as we chased each other around, and then some of the offical photos from Javelin. 











Overall the car performed faultlessly. Other than cooling off periods all it needed was a tweek of the wheel nuts. Looking at the gopro footage Lap times were around the 2m5s mark. A decent improvment over the previous attempt which was around 2m10s.

Here are a few video highlights





A good time was had by all, I got about 30 laps in was happy the car has proved itself after all the work I put in. We rewarded ourselves with a pint.



The "trackwork" inspection revealed one or two issues, the steering had lost some of its "sharpness" during the evening. It didnt feel dangerous, it just wasnt aa precise as it felt previously. The problem revealed itself to be the ball joints coming loose in the control arms. This was down to me failing to clean all of the powder coating off around the washer faces, they have then chewed away the paint and caused the joint to become loose. Under steering loads the ball joint would slide in and out of the arm slightly. So bolts out and a sharp blade to remove the paint, then torque it all back up. The steering felt as good as it ever did again. 

The other issue, which may or may not be something. There is occasionaly a slight "pop" when I changed 3rd to 4th. Some times in other gears, but always shifting up and never down. The best I can described it is, its like the clutch is just dragging ever so slightly so there is a tiny bit of load still on the gear when I try to shift. I have a few ideas and things to check out. And probably bleed the clutch again . But for now the car is still in use and happy enough. 

Thoughts returned to things which had been bothering me, the number plate needed breaking up from the white of the car. they're two different shades and it just looked wrong. 

I had a mess around with some pinstripe tape. Of which I cant find the photos, but it proved the theory that a black barrier would work. I had OPC Hull knock up one of their plates with the black stripe. 





This worked, but wasnt quite what I wanted. Fortunately a freind is a very talented pin striper. While attending a show he was working at recently I took my plate along and he worked his magic. 



It certainly helps, I'm wondering if that black needs to be a mil or two thicker? 

More unseen details, but things which bother me, and has done for years. The princely sum of £4.60 was exchanged for a seat belt bolt cover from Porsche. 





Now I need to replace the lower part as is a slightly different shade! 

But to finish on a high, and of the last big bits that needed doing, the steering wheel needed a birthday. 







The leather while still ok, and the stitching was good. It was shiney and blotchy. And while on the Le Mans trip it got a bit tacky in the heat. So off to leathertech it went for some love. As luck would have it, ive got an old steering wheel, which is knackered. But I fitted this to keep me mobile while mine was away. 

And then it was home. 





A huge improvement, I hope you agree, it feels like something bit a bit of grip again. And that brings you bang up to date! Thoughts and opinions?

[jamesd1972]

Pinstripe works really well as it is, little details. Must be nice to be looking at these bits not big chunky bits to make it run / drive OK. Steering wheel looks lovely, probably spendy, but hey its an investment and almost ULEZ exempt now ? Free tax and ULEZ will make it jump a chunk in value - especially in this condition so man maths can be brought into play in the meantime...
James

[Alpina99]

"Thoughts and opinions",
Simply beautiful !!
Love Porsche in general and have always greatly appreciated the 944,
Great work there,
Nigel

[teaboy]

Sept 2, 2023 8:45:54 GMT Alpina99 said:

"Thoughts and opinions",
Simply beautiful !!
Love Porsche in general and have always greatly appreciated the 944,
Great work there,
Nigel

Nigel knows what he’s talking about.

[broady]

Cheers, the stripe is definately the way to go, but I'm still not 100% with this one. Its nice to know others like it though. You are damn right, fettling the bits that make it pretty make me very happy. It didnt cost as much as you might think. about £180. But I'm at a point with this car where it doesnt matter. I don't plan to sell it, so as long as the insurance valuation covers it, I'm looking to "get back what I spent" I get my value from the enjoyment. 

Couple more years for ULEZ, but as I hate London and generally don't like cities, its not really an issue, cities are enough of a deterant for me, they didnt need to add in a fee   😂 

jamesd1972 said:
Pinstripe works really well as it is, little details. Must be nice to be looking at these bits not big chunky bits to make it run / drive OK. Steering wheel looks lovely, probably spendy, but hey its an investment and almost ULEZ exempt now ? Free tax and ULEZ will make it jump a chunk in value - especially in this condition so man maths can be brought into play in the meantime...
James

[broady]

Ta very much, it pleases me when I open the garage door.

Alpina99 said:
"Thoughts and opinions",
Simply beautiful  !!
Love Porsche in general and have always greatly appreciated the 944, 
Great work there,
Nigel 

[broady]

Over 2 months since I posted. Sod off! Oh alright then, action has been limited. Rainy days moving in, and a holiday to the Isle of Skye has reduced the milage. But there has been a clutch issue in there since the track day. I did some investigating, and found the reservoir to be empty. Oddly though under the car there was no sign of leakage, nor in the footwell at the master cylinder.

I took the starter off so I could better see the slave, the terminals on the back of the starter were slightly corroded. A tell tail sign of a fluid leak. A good poke around the slave still revealed no sign of wetness. I removed it and even inside the bell housing was dry. But a when operating it manually, there has obviously been a slow leak, so slow that it had time to dry up before I got there.



For some reason this is one of the few parts thats got the "that must be Porsche tax" price on it. I didnt end up going genuine for this as, even a good non genuine was £100.



Both marked up as FTE and looking well.



Installed and bled with fresh DOT 5, I adjusted the pedal travel and measured the release arm extention. All within limits, so off for a test drive I went. The pedal felt better, but the clunk remained.

Not to worry, it fixed a problem, even it was one I didnt know I had.

Unrelated but while sorting some junk in the office, I found my firing order stickers! I knew I had some, so another pointless detail to please the eye was installed.



And the drivers window once went down, but refused to come back up, until I wiggled the switch around. I figure its nearly 40 years old, ive stripped and cleaned it a few times, so it was due a replacement.



And yes it does make the other two look tired now, so they will get replaced shortly.

But my attention has mainly been focused on finding the clunk, and praying its not inside the gearbox.

Ive read many forums, and lots of people say its the CV joints, or the driveshaft splines. A few have said a loose hub nut has done it. I'm not sure how because once its torqued up, youre supposed to install a split pin to lock it. Anyway, I jacked it up and took the rear wheels off. I checked all these areas, even took a drive shaft off and checked the drive flange on the gearbox.

I popped the inspection cover of the front of the box and checked the propshaft coupler. Nothing at fault there either. Then today I have the gearbox a wiggle and found, a poorly gearbox mount.



I havent been able to see the otherside as the exhaust is in the way. But I will guess its as bad. What did I say about the clutch slave being one of the few items to suffer the tax? Well these mounts are included, were talking over £500 a pair!

I may yet have a go at making my own urethane mounts.