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Sept 15, 2007 6:59:13 GMT
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Where do we stand on imagelinking to photos from other forums, or on other people's hosting?
The Capri thread of Grizz's where zahistorics asks him to not to use other people's content made me ask, but we're always going on the likes of cleaned.be and whatnot and just posting photos wholesale.
Obviously this uses their bandwidth which I think is what mainly gets their backs up, but it also opens the question of copyright. By posting a picture on a forum or gallery, what rights do they retain on it? Because Google can 'find' the picture and show it to searchers without them going to the page it was found on, so can we? If it stays hosted on their space (i.e. we don't move it to a personal imageshack account to repost on this forum) can they even argue that we've stolen content, as it's not actually moved anywhere.
Not having a go at zahistorics, he asked very politely and kindly provided links to pages instead. It was just his request that made me wonder. Some people are less than civil and would no doubt end up causing a stir on the board.
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Never trust a man Who names himself Trevor. Or one day you might find He's not a real drug dealer.
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Sept 16, 2007 15:32:04 GMT
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This is a very sticky issue and I'm not sure I've got a best practice for this yet... For the bandwidth thing there are solutions, you can simply stop image linking or get a proper host. For the copyright/original sources now days I'm tending to put the original site url underneath image collections so people can go through to them and find out more.. I always advise putting your url on the image so that people can always find your site when that image is linked else where... For text,.. well,.. information is free the moment you stick it on the web,.. not free as in not having a cost, but free as in it'll find its audience. If you don't want that stuff going anywhere and getting to people that want to read it,.. don't stick it on the web. In reference to the zahistorics, it passed me by a bit,.. but as an occasional journalist and someone involved in publishing I find it a bit ironic that he has this page and then complains about copyright and original sources.
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slater
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Sept 16, 2007 19:39:51 GMT
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So long as your not claiming the images to be yours or using them for commercial gain i say link away!
If your that worried then include a source link or even re-host them on your photobucket or something.
My personal view is that stuff i post on the internet is free for people to view on the internet no matter what website you use to acess it. If a magazine came along and started using my photos without asking then thats a big no-no
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Pie
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Sept 16, 2007 20:02:39 GMT
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We've just had this discussion in the staff area on TheMiniForum.co.uk and the final outcome was, "things posted on an open, public forum become public domain" therefore they are there to be shared and are therefore void of the copyright law, unless published (mags etc) without the owners consent.
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Last Edit: Sept 16, 2007 20:03:31 GMT by Pie
"Its a small world, but I wouldn't like to paint it" if your not about 'show' then WTF is drifting all about?! its marked with scorecards like strictly come dancing FFS ;D ;D
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Sept 17, 2007 7:05:23 GMT
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I take a similar stance. Not so much that they are free of copyright, but that making money from them = bad. If you are taking stuff from a paid for source and sticking them on a forum then that IS to be stopped. I've been trying to think of a way of solving peoples bandwidth issues. The problem isn't with consistent bandwidth usage by other sites as you can always find solutions to that.. if you want to go wild you can use a CDN like Amazons. The problem is bandwidth spikes, when an image from here appears on a popular thread on VWVortex (for example) I get a bandwidth spike. I quite like that though as I know where the referrer is coming from and get to go and see what they are talking about. I've often joined up with forums and given them some more info for their discussions because of this. The same thing has happened here a few times as well. The only other option is to copy the image to a local server when its linked so we don't hit their bandwidth too hard, which could then produce the problem of people thinking we are stealing their content, when we are trying to save their bandwidth!!? Web politics...
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Sept 18, 2007 8:43:03 GMT
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We've just had this discussion in the staff area on TheMiniForum.co.uk and the final outcome was, "things posted on an open, public forum become public domain" therefore they are there to be shared and are therefore void of the copyright law, unless published (mags etc) without the owners consent. that would not stand up in court though... However unless the owner of the image or text you lifted suffered proven fiancial loss due to your reposting it then you're not going to get anything worse than a cease & desist order which would apply to a specific copyright holder not to all copyright material. If you continue after that , then you can go to prison for contempt of court. However a cease & desist is a reasonably expensive thing to get sorted so unless you have pished off a fairly large publisher or company then you won't see one of these either. Ironically the big companies who can afford the lawyers to sort these orders (GM, Ford, BMW, etc.) generally acknowledge free reporduction of their images as its good publicity for thier product. Companies like Disney, Lego, etc will do C&DO though. A mate of mine has been on the recieving end of Lego copyright enforcement lawyers over his own website....
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