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to take a door handle off take off door furniture trim and reach by contortion of spanner and hand after farting about doing this - happened to drop something under the door and on picking it up saw that there were two screws holding the handle on!!!!!!!!!!! didnt have to take anything apart 1/2 hour job shoulda took 15 secs grrr on the upside handle now minty and satin black although they nearly got polished
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2001 HONDA CT110 (NOT RCV)
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oh did i tell you they mention nothing about this in the manual
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2001 HONDA CT110 (NOT RCV)
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Back in the day haynes manuals used to be really cool, they used to give all kinds of useful information, they would tell you what resistances to look for in an ignition module, how to tell if an airflow meter was working correctly. Then, all of a sudden, they changed them to give a five page breakdown of what was involved in changing a wheel, pages and pages listing useful items to keep in your boot. But if you've got anything worse than a flat battery, nowadays they tell you to take it to a main dealer. Shame on you Mr Haynes. Bleeding sell out.
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i have a collection of them, and as they got into the 90's they got dumb, call it senile dementure maybe?
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but this is an old style one usually they are ok
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2001 HONDA CT110 (NOT RCV)
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bryn
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I've worked for Haynes, with the blokes who actually do the work so I can see it from both sides as I've also used the manuals in practice. The quality of the more modern manuals is down to simple cost cutting, that's market forces for you, paper costs increase so content decreases etc. The other problem is the upsurge in DIY programs and all of that, it's just not considered the done thing anymore for Dad to change the oil of a saturday afternoon on the family hatch. It might well be here in Retro Rides land, but lets face it we're a dying breed, the demand just isn't there for this kind of product like it used to be. The best thing to do is buy a Haynes Manual printed in the 70s or 80s, this will have all the sections and cover everything you could want on, and hey you won't even have to pay full price... The fact they still get virtually brand new cars into the workshop and strip them down is a credit in this day and age... I also know the margins they work too, and trust me they don't make as much money on each manual as you might think. So next time you jump in and knock something, try it yourself first. It might be harder than you think, forums are a great place to mouth off, but if we all got what we wanted, when we wanted it... I for one would worry.
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Volvo, Buggy, Discovery and an old tractor.
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I'm 99.9% certain they don't even have a Haynes Manual in publication for the family-mobile sat on my driveway
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haynes manuals are wibblepooBenzBoy
@benzboy
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Irol - I agree that nobody is gonna be needing to know how to replace the main bearing shells in a 54 plate VW Passat, but what really winds me up is when they cut out loads of information when the re-print manuals for the older cars. Surely most of the cost of producing the manual for a Mk3 Escort was absorbed years ago... I just don't see their reasoning behind getting rid of all the useful stuff when it was there in the first place . Having said that, I bought a new Haynes USA manual for the Mercedes 450 and it has just about all the information I need in there - I was impressed by that one! Also, the Haynes website is very good, and I was pleasantly surprised to get a free German - English technical terms dictionary for free!
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Last Edit: Apr 3, 2005 10:14:21 GMT by BenzBoy
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bryn
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Trust me I know what you mean, it's really frustrating, unfortunately Haynes is one of those British companies that's a victim of its own success. Having grown comfortable while not evaluating what the customer actually wants. I've always thought a downloadable resource would be the way forward. With everything ever written available on line, you can download the section you need for a nominal fee at your convenience. Basically you get exactly what you want, when you want it. The technology exists, but it's then case of making the resources available to catalogue everything digitally. Like I said, easy for me to say....
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Volvo, Buggy, Discovery and an old tractor.
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haynes manuals are wibblepooBenzBoy
@benzboy
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That'd be a really good idea. They still strip an entire car down to make the manual (they do, don't they?) so it isn't as if they'd have to do any extra work - just put the more techy stuff on a download site. It is a shame they aren't as informative as they used to be, but I suppose it's another case of the bean-counters having the final say in these sort of things!
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"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"
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The Haynes Performance Mini Manual is very good - especially as there`s a little pic of my Min in it ;D
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most modern cars aren't really able to be worked on at home with minimal equipment the way older cars are Very true - on my dad's Volvo 850, according to the Haynes, changing a headlamp bulb involves quite a bit of dismantling just to get at the back of the light unit, so is basically a dealer job!! (I believe that it's the same for quite a few other modern cars). This is a situation that I consider to be unacceptable - this is basic safety stuff, that should be quick and easy for owners to change. I believe that it is for similar safety reasons (ie ease of being able to replace as soon as one blows) that sealed-beam headlights are illegal in Germany. However, this also probably explains why I see so many modern cars with lights that aren't working (definately not off, as the other side is ok!)..... In comparison, I reckon that I could easily change ALL the exterior bulbs on the Amazon in less than 15 mins
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Last Edit: Apr 5, 2005 9:45:31 GMT by Paul H
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The nearside (IIRC) headlight bulb on my Focus is impossible for people with normal sized hands to change without removing the headlight One bolt is under the wing as well
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Last Edit: Apr 5, 2005 10:31:54 GMT by Grahamini
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Classic Haynes Quotes (and their interpretations)
Remove Securing Pin (Spend all day bashing and hammering the ****ing thing with progressively bigger hammers. Pin will come out only after either A) you have destroyed whatever it was securing or B) your mate pops round and has a go - in which case it will just slide out effortlessly.)
Remove spring carefully. (Open up the item as carefully as you want, you will still hear a boing!! and then spend the rest of the day scrambling around the garage floor on your hands and knees trying to find a microscopic spring.)
Remove xxxx - taking care not to damage the rubber seals. (The only way that you can remove xxxxx is to destroy these seals that have been on the car now for at least 10 years and have actually become part of the molecular structure of the car. Having destroyed the seals spend the next 6 days ringing around every breakers yard in Christendom trying to find replacements.)
Refitting. Refitting is the reverse of removal. (Ahahahahaha - you believe this! Boy are you in for a fun afternoon!)
Oh and yes the new Haynes manuals are pants.
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Last Edit: Apr 5, 2005 11:01:57 GMT by Unimexsol
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I`ve got a few Haynes manuals for the Mini and they do get thinner the later they are BTW, I didn`t buy them all, I just seem to get given them I`ve also got the Rover service manuals for the Min on cd should anyone want a copy And I`ve got a Ford TIS cd for the later Fords .....
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Last Edit: Apr 5, 2005 11:27:08 GMT by Grahamini
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Refitting is the reverse of removal...... ..... except that you swear in different places ;D ;D
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Davenger
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It's only metal
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haynes manuals are wibblepooDavenger
@dminifreak
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I've got an old haynes manual for my mini. I lookedat a new one my mate had and decided not to bother ;D
Graham, that CD sounds rather handy, any chance of a copy?
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Certainly is, drop me a mail to graham.elliott@uk.fujitsu.com
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