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Nov 10, 2009 22:25:46 GMT
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Well I never thought it but we now own a Bedford CF 350....... Horsebox  1986 vintage, 70k miles, 2.0L Petrol, 5 speed dogleg box, a whopping 80bhp when new, I reckon some of the horses have bolted though! Surprisingly fun to drive I remembered how bad these were in the 80s & they've not better with age, however wifey wanted a horsey runabout for dobbin, it's got a top spec Ifor Williams box on the back & is also quite tidy for a 25 year old. Looks like I've got some minor tinkering & tuning to do, what's the lowdown on tuning these up a bit? I do happen to have a few 6 pot 1JZ engines lying about the place, in fact I've got a nice silky smooth 2.5 24v 200bhp N/A one with a slushbox attached which I'm sure would work 10 times better than the current box of rattles. Pictures & evidence to follow. |
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VWPowered
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Nov 10, 2009 22:33:20 GMT
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not great for drifting  cant wait for pics, CF's are great, my ol' man had loads of them on a 86 is that a CF2??.. |
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Had a 15 year old CF. Cab roof and floor, and arches rot to bits on em but maybe that one is protected a bit from the elements? Mine was a 2.3 slant engine and I hated it, whoever designed the distributor on it must have done it as a bet or something. Stuffed a more modern engine in it and autobox and it was a much better vehicle, but after 4 years of fighting the rust, I had to do the kindest thing in the end and let it go.  |
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will
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cf's are great = fact
Anything with the driven wheels at the rear will drift in the wet, which should cover most of the next 6 months or so, gotta get a ticket on me van lol
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CF2 petrol lump is the Opel CIH 1979cc lump as fitted to various bigger late 70s/early 80s GM products. Much better than the slant-4 fitted to earlier models. Should have disc brakes too which most CF1's didn't have from memory. www.bedford-cf.co.uk/ Forum www.roverland.eu/bedfordcf.html Spares  |
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Nov 11, 2009 10:16:59 GMT
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wouldnt a red top fit in there?
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dubzi
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Nov 11, 2009 11:11:20 GMT
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It has been done.
As has Turbo diesel power from a Frontera and 2.5 Transit DI. Rover V8 as well. There was someone stuck a straight six out of a Carlton in one too.
All involve a certain amount of floor and bulkhead modification.
Certain London Ambulances from the late '80s came with Holden 6 cylinder engines and auto boxes.
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Happiness ain't at the end of the road. Happiness is the road.
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Nov 11, 2009 15:12:11 GMT
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Anything with the driven wheels at the rear will drift in the wet, which should cover most of the next 6 months or so, gotta get a ticket on me van lol If you mean 'drift' as in lose the rear on a wet corner thanks to a slippy grid, fishtailing the end in and out about seven times, lurching all over the show, driver suddenly woken up and cursing like a sailor's parrot, before spinning twice and landing bum first into a ditch, then 'drift' they certainly do. |
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Last Edit: Nov 11, 2009 15:12:51 GMT by DavidB
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bortaf
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Nov 11, 2009 16:33:08 GMT
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Yeh they hang the back out well, better with a flat bed though (less wieght over the driven wheels )  Slant 4 is a fair engine but prone to snapping the underside mount and then the pully chops through the water hose CIH was a much better install though not as torquey as the 2.3. Had an ambulance with an LSD that was wicked in the snow ;D There you go one bull nose CF in full on drift "curse word quick jump out the back and keep it out the ditch" mode  We took it up to High Beech in Essex to ride the stretchers down hill, spent hours racing and crasheing em into bushes (the stretchers not the amy) ;D |
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Last Edit: Nov 11, 2009 16:37:05 GMT by bortaf
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Nov 11, 2009 16:47:34 GMT
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Interesting. Got pics? Holden Red motor is what you want in a Bedford! I would be willing to bet that the majority of Bedfords in Australia have a Holden straight six engine now, and quite a few V8 conversions were done back during the panel van craze. Skip the Rover though, go straight for the American stuff with at least 350ci. Given that you're in the UK though, the 1JZ auto will do nicely. ;D Edit: Pics of aforementioned Bedford/Holden concoction. Seems that these may in fact have been original equipment over here, rather than a conversion.     |
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Colonelk
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Nov 11, 2009 18:26:00 GMT
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correct me if I'm wrong, but isnt the 2.0 CIH basically a 3.0 CIH (found in 12v carltons and sennys) with 2 cylinders chopped off the end? If theres space I know what Id fit (plus an LPG kit LOL!) |
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Nov 11, 2009 18:45:16 GMT
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Anything with the driven wheels at the rear will drift in the wet, which should cover most of the next 6 months or so, gotta get a ticket on me van lol If you mean 'drift' as in lose the rear on a wet corner thanks to a slippy grid, fishtailing the end in and out about seven times, lurching all over the show, driver suddenly woken up and cursing like a sailor's parrot, before spinning twice and landing bum first into a ditch, then 'drift' they certainly do. Don't forget to unload wifey's horse first ;D |
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MartinC
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Don't like stretched tyres, very low profile tyres & I think a car CAN be too low. Perhaps I'm odd.
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Nov 14, 2009 12:27:35 GMT
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re. comments above, yes the Opel CIH is very much the same as the Opel 6 cylinder engine and, as some CF2's were fitted with Holden straight 6's, maybe it's a feasible swap.
As far as the Opel CIH being better than the Vauxhall OHC previously fitted goes, I'm not sure I'd agree they were 'much better' for this particular purpose. The old 2.3 had a lot more power and low-end grunt which made them much more suited to a commercial vehicle. I found my old CF2 to be fast when empty, but not once a bag of shopping was put in. It was also really terrible on fuel. The very early CF2's still had the Slant-four motor but with a much better electronic distributor. For every man you'll find who hates the old Slant-Four you'll find someone that loves them. They are very very strong engines. I ran one with loud knocking big ends and almost zero oil pressure for a full week.
Anyway, as it's a CIH you could use a 2.0 Manta engine, or a 2.2 Carlton engine, or a 2.4 Frontera engine. They should all be a 'bolt in' swap.
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Nov 14, 2009 12:45:05 GMT
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For every man you'll find who hates the old Slant-Four you'll find someone that loves them. They are very very strong engines. I ran one with loud knocking big ends and almost zero oil pressure for a full week. My ol' man's '76 CF1 luton had the same symptoms.....didn't stop me using it for a few gigs when our band Tranny expired, it got us all over the West Mids with the main bearings hammering away merrily, and the oil light coming on at anything under about 1500rpm. Strong old donkey!!! |
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Nov 14, 2009 13:23:37 GMT
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had a mk1 with the 1800 version of the slant in.. awsome bit of kit and absolutely flew
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