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Most importantly, keep your AV software up to date and Windows as well. I wrote a guide on safer surfing here: Sure ... you could keep buying into the whole windows nonsense just like they want you to OR...... Junk yer windows along with yer anti virus and yer firewall and yer spyware, and all the other cr*p they sign you up to. Then download a Linux distro (operating system to non techies) for free (cos is shareware). Then enjoy excellent trouble free surfing with out all the aggro and expense you get from a windows PC. I ditched windows when '98 came out cos it was (and still is) the most unreliable POS you could buy in to!! Over 10 years later and I'm now an Ubuntu fan and have never been attacked by any viruses or trojans etc and I don't even have a firewall on the PC.... and guess what? In over 12 years of Linux operation none of my PC's have ever crashed! ;D
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Jan 26, 2010 10:01:40 GMT
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Sure ... you could keep buying into the whole windows nonsense just like they want you to OR...... or you could buy into the linux does everything and never goes wrong nonsense I suspect for 99% of windows users its easier, more convenient and would be generally be much much less hassle to just install a good AV client rather than format their machines and install a completely different operating system. As for crashing - I must have magic computers, because mine never crash either and I run XP.
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Jan 26, 2010 12:34:56 GMT
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I suspect for 99% of windows users its easier, more convenient and would be generally be much much less hassle to just install a good AV client rather than format their machines and install a completely different operating system. As for crashing - I must have magic computers, because mine never crash either and I run XP. Install as many good AV clients as you want but in 6 months time they'll all be obsolete and you'll be forking out again. Even the president of microsoft acknowledges that the growth in Linux operating systems represents the biggest threat to windows as the number of windows users has declined over the last couple of years. If you wanna keep parting with yer candy and keep Bill top of the 'rich' list go ahead..... I really don't care! As for crashing... well we could always have an RR poll but I'd just say.... you been lucky!!
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Jan 26, 2010 13:20:23 GMT
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or you could buy into the linux does everything and never goes wrong nonsense Sorry... forgot to answer this.... and Spiny is correct.... Linux doesn't do everything but neither does windows. However.... Linux operating systems can run windows programs using the WinE (Windows emulator) BUT...... Windows cannot run Linux programs (At all). In fact I don't believe that a windows PC can even open a Linux format file, even though on this Ubuntu PC I can 'open' and 'save' files in any format (windows files included)..... I so choose . So.... even if you take Spiny's advice remember one thing. If you are ever in a position where your windows has gone Kerput and you can't get your data files back..... just auto load a Linux distro and you can manipulate them any way you want without fear of over writing any of 'em and losing the contents. Done this 3 times so far for friends who have either been hacked to death or been 'blue screened'. Of course... like Spiny says...... never happens to windows users!!
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Last Edit: Jan 26, 2010 13:25:00 GMT by arrocuda
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Jan 26, 2010 13:28:14 GMT
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Even the president of microsoft acknowledges that the growth in Linux operating systems represents the biggest threat to windows as the number of windows users has declined over the last couple of years. hahahahahahahah!!! Thats comedy. Linux is history. Installed base is DEcreasing, not INcreasing. its a fraction of the world's desktop OS and it hit its peak as a server OS years ago. WS200x is replacing Linux boxes on firewalls and proxies which was its traditional strength market. really, who thinks its a good idea to run OPEN SOURCE in a security sensitive operation? [source: CNet, Gartner] Most malicious code now runs in the virtual machine anyway (ie Java enabled) so it doesn't care if you run Windows, Mac, Chrome, IE, Firefox.... get a decent security suite, [there are several free ones] have it running, keep it updated, enable windows update, install the updates, understand what the error messages mean. 95% of machine infections come through users clicking "OK" to install the package... (usually in the belief its installing a codec to view a celeb p0rn video or something) [source: Sophos]
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Last Edit: Jan 26, 2010 13:30:08 GMT by akku
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Jan 26, 2010 14:04:16 GMT
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Even the president of microsoft acknowledges that the growth in Linux operating systems represents the biggest threat to windows as the number of windows users has declined over the last couple of years. hahahahahahahah!!! Thats comedy. Linux is history. Installed base is DEcreasing, not INcreasing. its a fraction of the world's desktop OS and it hit its peak as a server OS years ago. WS200x is replacing Linux boxes on firewalls and proxies which was its traditional strength market. really, who thinks its a good idea to run OPEN SOURCE in a security sensitive operation? Well Alistair..... your knowledge of American motors may be impressive BUT....... Wiki says different! Also.... remember that the vast majority of the internet is run by open source NOT windows. Over 88% of all supercomputers run on Linux. "In December 2008, Linux powered five of the ten most reliable internet hosting companies, compared to Windows' one". Or are you saying that they've all got it wrong too!! Anyways..... here's the link to the Wiki page which backs my information up! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Windows_and_LinuxThanks for the advice but I've been running Linux PC's for the last 12 years..... Centos in the early days then Ubuntu to date..... never had a firewall or any anti virus and never had a single attack incident occur during that time. You couldn't connect a windows box to the internet for five minutes without some form of protection. My brother found this out the hard way a couple of years back. All I'm sayin' is.... let folks know there are alternatives AND let them come to there own conclusions. As for me.... you can tell me all this stuff that you've read..... but from personal experience I wouldn't touch a windows box if they were givin' em away.
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Jan 26, 2010 15:47:12 GMT
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hahahahahahahah!!! Thats comedy. Linux is history. Installed base is DEcreasing, not INcreasing. its a fraction of the world's desktop OS and it hit its peak as a server OS years ago. WS200x is replacing Linux boxes on firewalls and proxies which was its traditional strength market. really, who thinks its a good idea to run OPEN SOURCE in a security sensitive operation? Well Alistair..... your knowledge of American motors may be impressive BUT....... Wiki says different! Also.... remember that the vast majority of the internet is run by open source NOT windows. Over 88% of all supercomputers run on Linux. "In December 2008, Linux powered five of the ten most reliable internet hosting companies, compared to Windows' one". Or are you saying that they've all got it wrong too!! Anyways..... here's the link to the Wiki page which backs my information up! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Windows_and_LinuxThanks for the advice but I've been running Linux PC's for the last 12 years..... Centos in the early days then Ubuntu to date..... never had a firewall or any anti virus and never had a single attack incident occur during that time. You couldn't connect a windows box to the internet for five minutes without some form of protection. My brother found this out the hard way a couple of years back. All I'm sayin' is.... let folks know there are alternatives AND let them come to there own conclusions. As for me.... you can tell me all this stuff that you've read..... but from personal experience I wouldn't touch a windows box if they were givin' em away. Risky to rely on OS obscurity to provide security - Linux may or may not be better than Windows but it is not perfect (nothing complex that had humans involved is) at the moment it is reasonably secure because virus writers tend to be lazy and code for Windows as that is what the majority of their targets are running - if and when Linux gains popularity as a bread and butter OS it will get hit by viruses and other junk. I would also be wary of using Wikipedia as a reliable source in an argument - it is only as accurate as the last person to edit the subject matter you are quoting. I have come across enough errors on it to take what it says with a pinch of salt
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I will get round to finishing it at some point
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Jan 26, 2010 16:35:45 GMT
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Risky to rely on OS obscurity to provide security - Linux may or may not be better than Windows but it is not perfect (nothing complex that had humans involved is) at the moment it is reasonably secure because virus writers tend to be lazy and code for Windows as that is what the majority of their targets are running - if and when Linux gains popularity as a bread and butter OS it will get hit by viruses and other junk. I would also be wary of using Wikipedia as a reliable source in an argument - it is only as accurate as the last person to edit the subject matter you are quoting. I have come across enough errors on it to take what it says with a pinch of salt The main reason for its security strengths lie in its structured architecture rather than its obscurity. It is very difficult to hack so why bother tryin' when there is so much easy prey out there that you can 'sucker punch' day in day out and Microsoft do nothing except pretend to do something about it. Don't forget the royalties from all those 3rd party companies designing all these security products that need to be updated several times a year provides enormous revenues to Microsoft. It is not in their interest to make their OS secure. Anyways.... I think 12 years of uninterrupted surfing.... connected most every day for several hours during work time and then I leave it on unattended in case I fancy coming back for a play later in the evening..... without any protection whatsoever speaks for itself. As far as me and AK arguing..... I don't think so. Is more of a discussion than argument by RR standards. I do take your point though regarding Wikipedia but having said that it is one of the more respected sources on the internet..... and you have to believe someone.
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Last Edit: Jan 26, 2010 16:40:43 GMT by arrocuda
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Jan 26, 2010 16:40:33 GMT
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We just need a Mac user to defend their corner, and sacrifice goats to Lord Jobs
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Jan 26, 2010 17:14:32 GMT
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The main reason for its security strengths lie in its structured architecture rather than its obscurity. It is very difficult to hack so why bother tryin' when there is so much easy prey out there that you can 'sucker punch' day in day out As mentioned above a lot of malicious stuff is social engineered to get people to install it them selves, pretending to be the latest celeb porn pic or a free game for example - it doesn't matter how good the underlying architecture is if a code writer can persuade people to sucker punch themselves. When Linux hits a reasonable percentage of security unaware/careless users we will see more malicious Linux code.
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I will get round to finishing it at some point
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Jan 26, 2010 17:31:55 GMT
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I have an idea...... STOP clicking the ads!!! and STOP downloading prawn!
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Jan 26, 2010 18:18:30 GMT
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As mentioned above a lot of malicious stuff is social engineered to get people to install it them selves, pretending to be the latest celeb porn pic or a free game for example - it doesn't matter how good the underlying architecture is if a code writer can persuade people to sucker punch themselves. When Linux hits a reasonable percentage of security unaware/careless users we will see more malicious Linux code. This is what I mean by 'structured architecture'. If I were to download a trojan disguised as a free game for example it would be downloaded complete with malicious code too. It would then reside along with everything else I've downloaded on my hard disc BUT...... it is isolated from all the other files..... as are all the files (program and data) contained on the disc. Obviously, legitimate programs have already been granted permission to access the files they need access to. Now this can be changed but only by going down to the 'superuser' level. To do this even I have to go down two more levels and enter 3 passwords along the way to allow any particular file access to any other files (program files or data files).... so as it can corrupt programs or data. Without entering the level (and there are 3)...... file access to anyone or anything is permanently denied. The only way to change this is by getting down to the lowest level. Now..... I'm no windows expert, but as I see it the one clik and your in methodology just has to be a loser..... unless of course it's in yer interest for things to be that way.
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I have an idea...... STOP clicking the ads!!! and STOP downloading prawn! heh :-) But its nowt to do with clicking anything. Mine occasionally flases a warning even though i have the ads turned off (firefox)...weird
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Jan 27, 2010 10:07:53 GMT
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Back to seriousness. I clicked on the link to "Extreme Stretch" and Chrome spat me out with this :
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Jan 27, 2010 10:22:31 GMT
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Two of the links in JonnySommersets ExtremeStretch thread are infected.
Malware h**p://my.net-link.net/~dcline/87iroc.jpg Malware h**p://my.net-link.net/~dcline/jag2.jpg
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Last Edit: Jan 27, 2010 10:23:28 GMT by Soopahfly
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spiny
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Jan 27, 2010 10:49:37 GMT
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Install as many good AV clients as you want but in 6 months time they'll all be obsolete and you'll be forking out again. Even the president of microsoft acknowledges that the growth in Linux operating systems represents the biggest threat to windows as the number of windows users has declined over the last couple of years. If you wanna keep parting with yer candy and keep Bill top of the 'rich' list go ahead..... I really don't care! As for crashing... well we could always have an RR poll but I'd just say.... you been lucky!! my av software auto updates, doesn't yours ? I use linux (and bsd) all the time, my file servers run it, my media center pc is ubuntu with xbmc, my linksys router is running Tomato, but my desktop runs XP because linux is simply not ready for the desktop as for your other post, I'm not sure what a 'linux file' is exactly ? but I'm pretty sure open office on xp will open files saved using open office on linux and jpgs are pretty universal...
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Jan 27, 2010 14:24:46 GMT
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my av software auto updates, doesn't yours ? I use linux (and bsd) all the time, my file servers run it, my media center pc is ubuntu with xbmc, my linksys router is running Tomato, but my desktop runs XP because linux is simply not ready for the desktop as for your other post, I'm not sure what a 'linux file' is exactly ? but I'm pretty sure open office on xp will open files saved using open office on linux and jpgs are pretty universal... Not sure I can answer all this cos I'm a little out of touch with windows these days, so not sure what it can and cannot do as there have been several releases since the last version I ran. ('98). I have 'Open Office' on both PC's as is the standard with most Linux variants and is a good suite of programs for the run of the mill officey type applications. All the programs in it have the facility to open and save every kind of file I've ever had sent to me. I started out learning the ropes using CentOs in the earlier days then changed to Ubuntu and have been running that for the last 8 years. The current version (JJ) find comes with all the usual stuff that most people need..... but have downloaded everything else using the SPM facility. Now I have everything I need on the one PC...... I even use it to control and monitor some of the equipment here in the lab'. I also have WinE to run windows applications if needed for compatibility purposes. All the PC's I have run Linux on since I changed over have been internet connected using the Firefox browser have never had a firewall installed or AV support and in the 12 years of operation I've never been the victim of an attack. I don't get problems with spyware or trojans either. The machine is connected to the internet permanently..... runs every day during work time and I usually leave it running after work still connected just in case I fancy a little surf time later in the evening. So not sure how you mean "not ready for the desk top". Another thing I've noticed with windows is that it appears to slow down as time goes on. (Planned obsolescence maybe) This doesn't happen with any of the Linux distro's certainly none of the one's I have had personal experience of.
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Last Edit: Jan 27, 2010 16:47:47 GMT by arrocuda
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Jan 27, 2010 14:35:20 GMT
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Back to seriousness. I clicked on the link to "Extreme Stretch" and Chrome spat me out with this : That is a standard Google warning... have had that myself. It comes about by monitoring the visits to all the websites on the net by bots and spiders that are designed to search out sites that have been infected by malware. Once detected, google marks them as possible dangers and puts the warning up automatically if you are a google search engine user. I use google most all the time for non scientific searching but I don't use their 'chrome' browser.
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Jan 27, 2010 15:37:31 GMT
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I got a similar message later on with the AVG Linkscanner, but never took a screencap.
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I've been running corporate WinTel networks for 22 years. I have my own opinions, you are welcome to yours. Mine are based on running systems well above industry benchmarks for reliability, resiliance and other KPI. It works, it works well, why would I want to bother using somethnig different at home? Everyone is free to chose but to hear the Linux Fanboi propaganda you'd think it was some divine light or something.
The days when attacks were dependant on O/S or browser are over. Relying on "theres no point in hacking Linux" is like saying "there's no point in wearing a seatbelt as I've been driving for ten years and never had a crash".
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