|
|
|
WOW looks like our scene is now FOOOKD thanks to VOSA Just had a call from Mr S i know u guys have mixed views on his creations but he was the first to have a IVA test today Andy built the blue bentley that i painted yonks back theres far to much to type here now but a few bits are, all modified cars will be targeted and log books removed then a iva test will be needed there 400 od quid, a lot of it is very kit kar sva type of stuff but brake check at 70mph on rollers? he said it was a mental roller set up?? sounds it ?? cross checking tyre makes weights rollind dia etc speedo accuracy to? if its got a chassis u should b ok as its not structual BUT if u got a f100 etc and have a muzzy clip fitted your buggered, mot`s should allso be getting a box added to them that the tester will tick if it is modified in any way? then ull get a knock at the door from vosa as of 2012 body kits will b a thing of the past on new cars built from then onwards includeing rims? recons there putting a ban on it? allso it sound that vosa may be doing checks after shows? sorry its all over the place but I'm gob smacked ive just been on the blower for a hour listening to his day and its blown me away do some digging boys see what you guys can find out , we got a mate who is a top bod at Vosa down here i will see if he can shed some light on it
|
|
|
|
|
|
IVABenzBoy
@benzboy
Club Retro Rides Member 7
|
|
Well, I think Andy Saunders is great!!! As for the IVA - there is a LOT of speculation and scare-mongering. After the last thread we had about it (haven't searched for it yet...) it seemed to me that when the facts of it were presented, it didn't seem that bad at all and certainly nowhere near as big a deal as the SVA. Did his car pass? Any details on what his experience of it was?
|
|
Last Edit: Jun 2, 2009 22:27:50 GMT by BenzBoy
|
|
|
|
|
From what the guys on the Kit Car forums were saying when they were looking at the draft IVA book it's no worse than the SVA. It was mostly introduced for EU compliance, and to charge more for 'amateur build' cars since they take the most amount of time.
Certainly speedo accuracy was part of the SVA.
I haven't heard anything about the tightening of restrictions around modified cars, but it is the law so I wouldn't be surprised.
|
|
|
|
|
IVABenzBoy
@benzboy
Club Retro Rides Member 7
|
|
I thought there was some sort of tiered system in place now - sort of like an SVA and an SVA Lite for less extensively modified cars? I'm gonna try to dig out the last thread as it had some good factual information on it, and I'm in danger of spouting conjecture! ;D *EDIT* Ugh, Google fails to find anything on this board, and the proboards search facility just generally fails.
|
|
Last Edit: Jun 2, 2009 22:49:45 GMT by BenzBoy
|
|
|
|
|
why don't we just wait until we have hard facts, the last thread, and this so far, was mostly speculation.
vosa are not producing any facts ( I don't count draft IVA books as fact), so why worry yet
I notice the term ' modified' crops up all the time in these sort of discussions. but everyones definition of modified is different. SVA test is a PITA, and I cant see the IVA will be any easier, or cheaper.
mr S has had a test today, but thats only one car, and one standard of workmanship.
facts please, if there are any
EDIT: just read this back, and its sounds bitchy and sniping. it wasnt meant to.
|
|
Last Edit: Jun 2, 2009 22:56:28 GMT by Autofive
Someone just shot the elephant in the room.
|
|
stealthstylz
Club Retro Rides Member
Posts: 14,834
Club RR Member Number: 174
|
IVAstealthstylz
@stealthstylz
Club Retro Rides Member 174
|
|
Here's the latest BIVA update. www.transportoffice.gov.uk/crt/repository/IVA-Inspection-Manual-for-M1-Passenger-Cars.pdfIts not the death knell of modified cars. However it will mean how we build cars will have to differ in future to meet the regs. It shouldn't affect most of the "wheels and slam" brigade as you don't have to re-register the car with those mods. However once you start chopping into the monocoque/chassis you're in IVA territory. It doesn't seem to difficult to get a homebuilt car through. The designs i've drawn for my T should allow it to pass easily (ala homebuilt Westfield etc). However trying to get a OEM shell through may prove a nightmare, especially on the exterior and interior projection rules. Matt
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Most of that was already there re chassis mods since '98 (?), just not enforced. IVA (in draft anyway) talked about emissions tests which seemed strict - looked impossible to get a V8 with a lumpy cam through.
On the monocoque side there's that tale of a roof-chopped Saxo being dobbed in for SVA, presumably by a jobsworth on the basis that shell=chassis and was modded. If anything it shows the thing is open to varying interpretation.
Praps one of the ACE folks will chime in here?
|
|
'66 Amazon <-> '94 LS400 <-> '86 Suzuki 1135 EFE
|
|
Nathan
Club Retro Rides Member
Posts: 5,626
Club RR Member Number: 1
|
IVANathan
@bgtmidget7476
Club Retro Rides Member 1
|
|
Till something solid comes up I aint loosing no sleep over this.
|
|
|
|
|
IVABenzBoy
@benzboy
Club Retro Rides Member 7
|
|
Till something solid comes up I aint loosing no sleep over this. Too right. A quick scan through that BIVA manual seems to me to be completely reasonable, and absolutely nothing to worry about.
|
|
|
|
bortaf
Posted a lot
Posts: 4,549
|
|
|
Not another headless chick thread
|
|
R.I.P photobucket
|
|
|
street
Posted a lot
6.2 ft/lbs of talk
Posts: 4,662
|
|
|
Yeah I agree, it certainly shouldn't put anyone off building the car they want to build. The proposed cost of the test is the thing that's most concerning. Jumping through hoops to get your creation through the test, no so worrying.
Just a thought- Every time this subject is dicussed there's talk of the MOT tester having a tick-box stating weather or not the vehicle has been modified in any way, and if ticked "yes" it activates a dawn raid on your house by VOSA or whatever... Well what happens after you've been checked out by VOSA for these modifications you've been dobbed in for? Come the next MOT, does ticking the "yes" option for any modifications mean you have to be checked out again by VOSA? Or will it come back as already been given the all clear? Assuming it's the latter, does this mean you could do some relatively tame mods to your car and then have the MOT man pick up on it and get you checked out, then your pretty much given free reign to modify your car in any way you like, safe in the knowledge that your on the system as bieng checked out by VOSA as far as getting dobbed in by the MOT tester is concerned? It couldn't possibly work. Or, that's a giant loophole that will be near impossible to effectively close.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
A link to the insurance companies databases could easily make a list of mods available to VOSA, which might also have the knock on effect of far more stringent checks on whats being declared to them as well.
|
|
Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
|
|
|
|
|
Not another headless chick thread ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
|
|
Someone just shot the elephant in the room.
|
|
|
|
|
its all very well for you boys but for us who build hot rods and kustoms its a i some how don't think my rod would of gone trough most of us run incorrect log books anyway?? yer yer i know a rod has passed a SVA but were not all minted and want that style of car, all i will say is its not a headless post watch this space TUV here we come o and i know how strict the germans are because they wanted to impound mine and VIP`s cars when we were there?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
I'm with the don't panic brigade.. there is plenty of rumour etc. around the internet but i'm yet to see anything set in stone that worries me. Most of the stuff that seems likely (drafts etc.) are very similar to the SVA and as has been said unless you start on chassis mods chances are things may well run much the same as they already do.. much more in depth (although i'm not saying things wont get somewhat more in depth) will be a nightmare of cost and paperwork for the powers that be and near on impossible i'd have thought. As a side note I was inspected by VOSA recently after getting pulled by the fuzz for protruding wheels.. car is lowered, has trim holes welded, some definately non standard wheels, and bumpers moved back. Only things mentioned by vosa chaps was the wheels were 'borderline' and my exhast seemed to be 'missing' it was in fact on the back seat. Nothing scary and nothing that seemed harsh/wrong/out of order. Hopefully we can get some hard and fast facts soon to put worried minds at rest.
|
|
Daily: Spazda Mx5
'A52's Fastest steak eater 2010'
|
|
street
Posted a lot
6.2 ft/lbs of talk
Posts: 4,662
|
|
|
I hear what your saying, if all the legislation plays out like the predictions it'll make things difficult to carry on the way we have been. But there will always be a way. I mean look at Germany, it has a modified car scene and a healthy Hot rod scene despite the heavy handed TUV restrictions: ^ German built car, Babel fish translated spec: 1994 bought, who has it briefly before in Florida in " Wolfmans Rod Shop" arisen. The vehicle is orig. Steelbody of 5 windows Coupé with Rumble Seat and GRP fenders. Property in the years of nearly everything again made, z.Bsp: - new engine (was 350er with external oil lubrication - is more closely 350er with coated headers now), - since short noble-break aluminum heads and MSN ignition into, - new transmission (see engine), - new rear axle (was 8?? Tariff, is now 9" with 3.25er or 3,88er differential - depending upon need!), - new front axle (was Starrachse with leaf spring crosswise - is now IFS von Heidts with Coil Overs, hardness and Höhenverstellbar, Willwood disc brake), - new steering element (was Chevy steering element with steering gear Gulasch, is now steering rack and Iditit steering column, Billet steering wheel, borrowing on joints), - Music (was not nothing - is now approx. 5000€ Bum Bum), - new aluminum coaming (old steel framework is away-putrefied), - new rims (was " see Foto" , is " American Racing torques TrustAnother of many examples: In March 1993 I acquired to mean first Rod, a ´28er Chevy imperially Sedan (Steelbody). With this car I was over ten years on the road on the way and in the summer 2003 was then sold. In the meantime I had developed still another 32er Ford Roadster, which was again sold likewise after a few years. My two current Hotrods are a ´32 Ford Tudor Sedan to the everyday cruisen as well as a ´23 Ford C-Cab only for show. The 32er Tudor " Euro" - Rod was developed 1993 by the Rodshop with everyday life-suited Ford Scorpio technology again and served some time as graduation Car for the company Pioneer. The car has thus a completely normal road permission with TÜV and owing to regular Kat is pleased there also wallet and environment. Behind the two probably-formed leather seats, is a powerful HiFi plant with 2 thick final stages, twelvefold MP3 CD change-over switch etc., which leaves neither from the sound nor from the achievement any desires open. With this car one can put also times further distances back completely relaxed, because he is very comfortable and has a very good-natured handling. Such a Ford Tudor is on our roads of course a genuine Eyecatcher, clearly more extreme and an absolute Hammerteil is however my second Hotrod, a ´23 Ford C-Cab. This car does not have side windows and no doors. It looks also always quite merrily out, if as a Dickerchen is as I it, by which small opening squeezes. In the interior it happens then quite comfortably. The tiny steering wheel consists NOS Lachgasfla and two fire extinguishers of welded track links and is present also - the show must go on! Naja, the pictures say more… Since 1993 I am active member in the GSRA registered association (at first still GRO German Rod Owners) and help a small little at the organization.I'm not saying there's nothing to worry about, just saying that the hobby will just have to adapt to the new rules. I don't like it either but i'm not into this hobby because it's easy! We like what we do and we'll carry on doing it regardless. We might aswell just wait to see exctly what's going to happen, adapt to the new rules and lobby our politicans about the ones we disagree with
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Daily: Spazda Mx5
'A52's Fastest steak eater 2010'
|
|
|
IVABenzBoy
@benzboy
Club Retro Rides Member 7
|
|
I'm still not seeing the problem with getting a Rod or custom through a BIVA. Seems a pretty light and fair test to me.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ditto, have just emailled VOSA with a hyperthetical car and hyperthetical planned mods that many on here would do.. widen arches, different wheel, lowering springs and engine change without chassis/body modification (bolt in swap) to see if they say it would need an IVA.. hopefully an answer will put some peoples minds at rest as to if they need an IVA or not. I think its the above sort of mods that have people worried.. people building full on customs with chassis/body replacements/mods know they would of been in SVA territory and therefore are now in IVA territory. I'm guessing its the people like me that do a few 'simple' mods that are worried and need to know how far the IVA is going to stretch.
|
|
Daily: Spazda Mx5
'A52's Fastest steak eater 2010'
|
|
|
|
|
Not another headless chick thread Seems we've managed to move past that into fact gathering where we can.. which pleases me greatly ... I think there are going to be some trailblazers going through IVA and sharing with the wider rodding community a lessons learned. Hopefully most planned rod builds can carry on. The thing I object to most is the cost of the thing!! £400.. and its compulsory.. anything that has an aspect of compulsion should be more fairly priced, from my point of view. I'd still like to see some finalised documents and see the experience of the first few cars to go through. Also .. Rodding scene in Germany is alive and well, even with TuV
|
|
|
|
|