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No, not suggestions of what to do with her - it's her car so her tough luck. But I'm probably going to get roped into looking at the thing sometime and I don't really do modern stuff on principle. So..... Got a text off her yesterday saying that it had "conked out". I strongly suspect (although she denies) that she'd run out of fuel. She'd done the same less than a week ago and a can in the tank got it going again happily. Oh, plus she's only had the car 2 weeks  This time, her twunk of a bf decided that jump starting might help. I don't even know if the battery was flat by this point - neither are very good at describing technical subtleties like "it wasn't turning over" or "it was turning over but not firing". So he connected the leads up to his mum's KA. Nothing happened. So - and this is the good bit - he changed the connections round in case they were the wrong way. At this point they didn't turn the ignition on and stopped as soon as the smoke started escaping from the wires (I thought only 70s Lucas stuff did that  ). They decided that probably means they haven't damaged much, and BF is insisting he didn't do anything wrong  Would have loved to be a fly on the wall when she got off the phone to me ;D Like I say, I don't really do moderns but I'm happy enough with electrics generally. So, any thoughts on the likely damage? It's a Honda engine fwiw. I'm assuming alternator and check for loom damage as a minimum, but what about all that newfangled ecu / sensors rubbish? Any way to check them before starting to buy bits for a car she might not be able to afford to fix? |
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stealthstylz
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If it's a anything like the MG a lad from work did a battery fit on and put the leads on back to front it'll have fried the ECU.
Matt
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That's a cheerful start to the replies ;D
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Check the fuses, see if they are blown
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They might be lucky and not have damaged anything (I'm guessing the Ka has survived), so it might just be whatever caused it to "conk out" in the first place.
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They might be lucky and not have damaged anything (I'm guessing the Ka has survived), so it might just be whatever caused it to "conk out" in the first place. The KA seems to have survived, although smoke was seen from both ends. Could even have just been the jump leads smoking for all I know (they really are not good at describing anything technical - "conked out" is about as tech as it gets). But they're 20 miles down the road and I don't really want to drive over to look without some idea ahead of time what I might need to be looking at. Also, she says she put a can of fuel in "just in case" when it stopped but that didn't get it going. Does running out of fuel in one of these have the same risk as in old diesels I've owned that the injectors might need priming to get it started? To say I'd laugh if it turned out that he'd fried it just because she'd run out of petrol is a bit of an understatement  |
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stealthstylz
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Shouldn't need priming. Why is she running out of fuel does the gauge not work?
Matt
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Not sure on the gauge - she says it doesn't move on a tenner but hasn't "got around to" putting more in to see if it moves then. She also has a habit (that we've tried to break) of running everywhere on fumes. No problem in her old Daf but not such a good idea in newer stuff!
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I guess the only thing you can do is go and check it... Take a plug lead off. Take a spare plug and see if your getting spark, Check to see if the pump is priming... Chuck some more fuel in incase shes lieing or its on a slope and cant drag it up... the usual... Oh and give her BF a slap and tell him not to touch it.
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I guess the only thing you can do is go and check it... Take a plug lead off. Take a spare plug and see if your getting spark, Check to see if the pump is priming... Chuck some more fuel in incase shes lieing or its on a slope and cant drag it up... the usual... Oh and give her BF a slap and tell him not to touch it. Already told. In fact, this might explain some of the peculiar things that "just happened" to her Daf since they've been together - like the timing suddenly advancing itself 10 degrees while the points gap hadn't changed, but "no-one had touched it"  |
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i hate it when people think they know about cars, when in reality they should only be allowed to top up the screenwash ;D
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2006 Mercedes Kompressor Evolution-S AMG SportCoupé
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I hate it when people think they know about cars, when in reality they should only be allowed to top up the screenwash ;D A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. |
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One of our neighbours tried to help my wife get her Ulysse started while I was at work and thought the battery might work round the other way too... cost us the battery, alternator and a couple of fuses.
He's avoided us since.
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Have you tried replacing the stepdaughter?
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Have you tried replacing the stepdaughter? Or just giving the pair of them a tandem bike  |
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just a few helpful tips for ya bud....... firstly you say it just conked out, any way of getting the reciept from her last fuel fill up? has she put diesel in it instead of petrol or vice versa? sounds stupid but worth a try. Also if you know the difference in smell of the two then take a plug out (petrol) or an injector pipe off (diesel) and see whats pumping through ;D i think if you reverse the polarity of the leads you could knacker the battery first of all or worse you could damage the alternator or as somebody said earlier, the ecu. Id try small first likes fuses, wires etc and put a can of (the right) fuel in. If it hopefully starts up off a jump then you're good to go, if it dies shortly after being jumped or as soon as you disconnect the jump leads then the alternator could be screwed. Hope this helps. Oh and tell the BF to keep away from the Yorkie bars |
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I hate it when people think they know about cars, when in reality they should only be allowed to top up the screenwash ;D believe me, even that can go wrong ;D |
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There is a master fuse that can blow my ex girlfriends dad kept blowing his as he use to put the battery in the wrong way at the end i was charging him €100 a fix fuse cost me nothing as i had loads of them |
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Have you tried replacing the stepdaughter? If you remember, we did try to give her away but she was sent back under warranty  Oh, and Sian says BAD Onne ;D Cheers for the suggestions so far - looks like it's a case of go and look. Anyone know if there's a way to read fault codes on these without a reader (I know the later ones can be flashed out on the MIL)? |
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Did you say it was a rover?
i hear on the grapevine that scrap metal is around £150 a ton? ;D
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). They decided that probably means they haven't damaged much, and BF is insisting he didn't do anything wrong 
Would have loved to be a fly on the wall when she got off the phone to me ;D
