1969 Triumph 2000 MK1

[spartacus]

All I can see is an old Triumph.........






No, just joking, more details please.

[andyborris]

Triumph 2000 MK1 with Megasquirt EFI, Ford EDIS, Witor 631 Manifold and loud exhaust.

Lowered and polybushed, picture taken this year in France, just before we broke down in Switzerland!

Stag rims to get a makeover very soon, maybe Gold or dull silver.....can't make up my mind!



Andy

[luckygti]

Very nice, any build pics?

[RetroWarwicK]

oooofff! jammy......i am after a decent mk1 at the moment. hard to track down but my agents have sniffed one out! hoping to hear an update over xmas.

great spec - I too have a megasquirt unit ready to go so the plan will be PI based EFI in the long term.

could you post some pictures please - interior and engine bay?

also whats the spec of your engine - any idea what kind of power it is producing with the efi?

cheers
Matt

[andyborris]

Dec 21, 2011 9:13:41 GMT RetroWarwicK said:

also whats the spec of your engine - any idea what kind of power it is producing with the efi?

cheers
Matt

Standard, very tired low comp ratio MK2 2 litre with a Witor manifold and exhaust, plus the M/S.

Power? Not enough!

But I have plans.........

Andy

[Waxoyling Lyrical]

Interesting. Any photos of the MS installation?

I saw a Triumph Spitfire at a classic car show that had a Dolomite Sprint engine fitted up with MS.

I briefly owned a 1989 BMW E30 325i Sport with it fitted - quite impressive, being able to plug in a laptop to play about with it.

[andyborris]

is the only picture I can find of the Lucas injection manifold, while I was modding it to take a EFI injector.

Didn't use the one in the picture, too short, used Vectra ones.

3 of those manifolds along the head.

Showing 80 (80!!!) HP at the wheels on the rolling road, it's very good on petrol though.

Andy

[vitesseefi]

I wouldn't be too sad with 80 at the wheels - that will equate to 100 - 105 flywheel - which is more that it had new!

My Vitesse, with similar management arrangements, but Mk2 Vitesse engine (also VERY well used) with hotter cam and higher CR made 90 bhp at the wheels. It goes very well but does carry a couple of hundred kilos less weight around.

Saloons need 2.5 really IMO. My PIe has not seen the RR yet but romps along quite well. Sadly that engine is worn to the "beyond a joke" point.

Here's a pic of what it would look like under the bonnet if the car was red....


Nick

[andyborris]

Read the rules and changed the title, sorry! The girlfiend is right, I only ever read the instructions after I've started using whatever it is!

Andy

[andyborris]

Because 80 HP isn't enough and the engine is very tired, today I made a start on improving both.

First step, bonnet off. Girlfiend braved the cold to help.


Some pics of the current engine and it's Megasquirt.


To be removed and replaced with this, a 80.000 mile BMW M52 2.5 with a E30 gearbox. If it fits!


An engine swap is the easiest (possibly!) way to gain the power and reliability I want, a 60 year old design engine will be on the edge of reliability, if it's got anywhere near the power the BMW engine produces....if I manage to wire the ECU in correctly.

Must confess that this is the first time I've tried an engine swap, a 1500 pre X flow into an Anglia doesn’t really count! And I've realised that posting on here to an audience of my peers will keep me motivated! So advice and offers to help are very welcome!

Up early tomorrow to get the front suspension off and the engine/box at least ready to come out.

[les509]

Liking. The engine will defo fit, there was a MK2 on ebay recently, although that was a 12 valve 325 lump, The block dimensions are pretty similar - I agree that the money you would have to spend making the 2000 lump anywhere near 'pokey' and reliable at the same time would be immense compared to the way you are about to do things. Plus you'll have the added bonus of it being better on fuel.

[andyborris]

Picked the best day to start removing the engine from the MK1, it rained so hard the gutter overflowed and flooded the garage!

Engine needs to come out from below on a 2000 saloon, so once I removed as much as I could from above,
I couldn't put it off any longer and laid down into the small pond that had formed under the car in the garage!


Only to find that half the bolts had been cross threaded by someone in the cars distant past!

Try again tomorrow with the angle grinder, unfortunately means more expense, replacing the suspension arms I'll have to cut off!

Hope to have the engine out tomorrow, anyone near to me in N. Kent with a van/trailer/pick up/wheelbarrow? I'll need to move engines between garages soon, (about ½ mile) and B&Q have started locking those flat-bed trolleys away at night!

Andy

[fray-bentos-uk]

Now you mention B&Q, my sister bought some patio doors off Bargain Pages and needed to get them home. She went to B&Q as they hire out trany vans for £16 an hour, they did'nt ask for proof of purchase, and did'nt charge her for petrol. Could be worth trying if you are stuck.

[Lewis]

Aye, I remember that one with the M20B25 in it. It had a terrifying looking steering setup with some hideous angles in it though. I hope you're able to find a neater and safer solution

Should be a great project!

[les509]

Engine doesn't need to come out from below necessarily - done quite a few out the top!

[andyborris]

Jan 3, 2012 22:00:56 GMT les509 said:

Engine doesn't need to come out from below necessarily - done quite a few out the top!

I'm sure, but I'm a clueless bu**er, I'd probably end up scaring the paint and wing!

And I think it'll be easier to trial fit the M52 with the cross member out of the way? Plan on hanging the engine in the bay and then seeing how everything fits around it, this is my first real swap, so any advice is welcome!

Andy

[andyborris]

Jan 3, 2012 20:56:10 GMT Lewis said:

Aye, I remember that one with the M20B25 in it. It had a terrifying looking steering setup with some hideous angles in it though. I hope you're able to find a neater and safer solution

I saw that car, I think he had problems with the sump, the E30/M20 has it's sump in the wrong place, I know that to put a M52 into a E30, you have to ditch the 323I sump and replace it with a 5 series sump?
Which works in my favour, 'cos the Triumph sump has (more or less!) the same shape as the 3 series one, I think!

Andy

[wizardskills]

Nice project there. I have always wanted a Triumph 2000 just so I could do the Club Triumph Round Britain Reliability Run in comfort. I don't think I would be able to cope doing 1500 miles in 48 hours in my GT6

[andyborris]

Dry today, so after a couple of paracetamol, (not worked that hard for a long time!) and 3 hours work, the engine is down (but not out).


And I only had to cut one suspension arm off! Any one got a spare?


Car seems to have a complete set of Superflex bushes fitted, the stainless bush tubes were in very good condition, unfortunately, the ones in the track control arms have some wear on the polyurethane.


Not sure why this has happened and also not sure if I should re-fit them? Opinions please!

Now need to tidy and make space in the other garage, before I can move the Triumph engine and box into it, also need to arrange some means of transport for it's ½ mile trip.

The cunning plan (apologies to Baldrick) is trial fit the BMW engine and box, mock up the mounts and gear linkage.
Then remove engine/box and tidy up the engine bay, get the heater working (hard to remove with engine in place), a bit of re-wiring, overhaul the front suspension and fit the Stag brakes.
After all that and in-between queuing for my pension, I 'll re-fit engine and get a propshaft made, wire the engine, using (hopefully) the BMW ECU...... and then I should be good to go!

Still haven't figured out how to connect the speedo or the temp gauge and I'd like that clean wire free under-bonnet look and have no idea how to achieve it!

Suggestions please! And thanks in advance for your advice.

Andy

[vitesseefi]

Brave conversion in challenging conditions....... I'll watch with interest. Concerned you may need to convert to LHD to avoid issues with clutch master and steering column.

Might be able to help with re-homing the Triumph 6-3-1

I have a suspension arm if you're still stuck.

Cheers

Nick