MWF
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Sept 19, 2006 10:18:48 GMT
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That's no different to the 1980s though where everyone wanted a GTI/XR/GTE or 325i/Cosworth/whatever. When everyone could tell a 16v Astra from an 8v at 30 paces or the subtle(!) extra spoiler on an RS500. Yes I agree, the 80's were the same, that was an era of POWER! just like now. Although I'd argue less people were caught up in the car scene then.
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MWF
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Sept 19, 2006 10:20:47 GMT
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But either way, its painful to draw any simularities to the barry scene (that I personally despise) with a movement such as hot rodding which hold such romantic and heroic connotations to me...... There's no such thing as a "Barry Scene" IMO. "Barry" cars are ones that try to follow the current Fast'n'Furious fashion, Max Power etc, but the owners get it totally and utterly wrong. Just like 90% of the jacked-up Capris and Vivas in the 70s... I do totally agree with this view.
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Sept 19, 2006 10:29:22 GMT
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Goes to show there is a massive void between scenes. As i mention the rodders are grown up which is why Custom Car Mag would reject newees, plastic or not. It seems to be that scenes don't need each other exept when it comes to legal changes that need action. We don't need someone coming to a meet, with a kitted new Astra, just like they don't need to join our scene, but if one showed up with the right attitude, i'd be civil and interested. this might explain why the hot rodders don't need us. nice to see new blood and include new blood though.
Xtreme Wheels show tried to include all and did an ok job actually, some stuff was not my bag and was quite separated, but its a good start. We all have our own fish to fry but be very interesting to go to a massive show that included everything. go on tell me there is one...
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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Sept 19, 2006 10:31:49 GMT
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Right, Fi (old bird) knows where i stand on this subject. I don't see any similarity between mod rods (thats a curse word term) and proper hot rods or kustoms. I got into many a row on the AHRA forum about this, but i know that you lot allow people to have there say without jumping on 'em after. The fact that we are all into cars is NOT enough. I always relate it to music. I am Rockabilly through and through and some one else may feel just as passionate about Hard House, we both love music but that doesn't mean we are a kindred spirit. I wouldn't want to go to one of there concerts and i wouldn't expect them to enjoy mine. I wouldn't go to a Barry Boy show and wouldn't want to see them at one of ours. Doesn't mean i don't like the people (Clinton in the AHRA is the nicest bloke you'll ever meet) just don't like there cars. On the AHRA forum we discussed this but it ended up in a row, would be interesting to hear the other side of the story in a calm way. I have always felt very very strongly about
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Sept 19, 2006 10:34:09 GMT
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And i do believe as street says that we are closest to hot rodders of old defo! Take old crappy* car that noone loves, make fast or give attitude, or both. bit obvious this example taking older influences. you get the idea anyways. *outsider opinion not meaning to be offensive
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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Sept 19, 2006 10:40:12 GMT
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I haven't read all the way through this thread yet ,.. but,.. do you remember the 70's? vs. Also remember the post war hot rodders were seen as VERY anti social.
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Sept 19, 2006 10:40:42 GMT
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See where you are coming from mitch. I like loads of different stuff personally cars music etc etc. Most hard housers would not like rockabilly scene and probs take pi$$, and poss not even be into it in the future. theres bad examplesin all genres and some real gems. and i think my point was rarely people look outside their scene for whatever reasonable/unreasonable reason! Hope that makes some sense
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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MWF
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Sept 19, 2006 10:44:37 GMT
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my point was rarely people look outside their scene for whatever reasonable/unreasonable reason! Hope that makes some sense Makes perfect sense to me.
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Sept 19, 2006 11:03:20 GMT
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If the owner of these two cars met in a pub and started talking cars what would they talk about? Its obvious to me that if there cars are this different then there interests and personality would probably be different too!
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Last Edit: Sept 19, 2006 11:05:41 GMT by mitch
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Sept 19, 2006 11:11:28 GMT
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does anyone remember bull whip antennas that could stretch from the front to back wing on a Capri Wasn't that a tasteful mod.
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Sept 19, 2006 11:16:45 GMT
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Yeah, but you could pick up Zabawonga national radio clear as a bell!!
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Sept 19, 2006 11:24:32 GMT
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does anyone remember bull whip antennas that could stretch from the front to back wing on a Capri Wasn't that a tasteful mod. Hey, I like them! ;D --- I was agreeing with mitch BTW 100% see the point, the reason i hate hip hop/R&B nights. Depends whos meeting with who really. my own ideas (like others have i'd expect) have been a bit warped in the past, and my XR2 nearly went a bit modern, which still would be cool but just a bit demon theives for my now taste. I would of still had a good chat to the hot rod owner. worth mentioning some guys on here have modern moddeds aswell as old skool cars. For the record, I don't fancy a conventional Max style cruise at all.
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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Sept 19, 2006 11:25:17 GMT
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I think we're all in agreement that the 70's was the least tasteful era in the modified car timeline. I'd even go as far to say, and I expect to be flamed to a 'medium rare' for saying this, that Ed Roth made some of the least tasteful cars imagineable! Even his logo is shocking IMO...... but it was all of a time when taste didn't seem to matter. It was also a time when modifications didn't have to serve a purpose, it was just showmanship and 'making your car look different', which is as close as your going to get to todays modified car scene.
And thats the fundamental difference between the origional hot rodders of the 50's and todays modified car scene IMO- the origional hot rodders' showmanship was all in the performance of their creations where as today its all in the way it looks/how much has been spent/how big the wheels are.
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Sept 19, 2006 11:31:09 GMT
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Max Power v's Max Bygraves!!! Its about attitude, do you think the bloke who owned the Saxo pictured previously looked at he's car and said 'right this is how i want to do it' or just followed the trends and worried about what he's friends said that night down Southend seafront. Where as the bloke who owned that Nova also pictured before thought about what he wanted and did it, didn't care what anyone said or who would laugh at him down the seafront, he did it cos he wanted to. And i'll give him respect, he has got great imagination, i'd never thought you could do that to a nova and get away with it.
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Sept 19, 2006 11:38:56 GMT
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Max Power v's Max Bygraves!!! Its about attitude, do you think the bloke who owned the Saxo pictured previously looked at he's car and said 'right this is how i want to do it' or just followed the trends and worried about what he's friends said that night down Southend seafront. To my untrained eye, ALL Hot Rods (or whatever the black thing is that you posted) look the same to me, I honestly can't tell one from another... Black paint or rust, 30s bodyshell, no bonnet, no wheelarches, red wheels, whitewalls, etc etc. How many built Hot Rods and thought "this is how I want to do it" and didn't just do what everyone else did? (it's still a lovely car by the way )
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Sept 19, 2006 11:44:09 GMT
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If the owner of these two cars met in a pub and started talking cars what would they talk about? Its obvious to me that if there cars are this different then there interests and personality would probably be different too! If the owner of the pink car had been born in 1936-ish he would have been the person that built the black car.
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Sept 19, 2006 11:44:41 GMT
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does anyone remember bull whip antennas that could stretch from the front to back wing on a Capri Wasn't that a tasteful mod. I actually want one of those for the Datsun,.. couldn't find one anywhere.
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Sept 19, 2006 11:46:38 GMT
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does anyone remember bull whip antennas that could stretch from the front to back wing on a Capri Wasn't that a tasteful mod. I actually want one of those for the Datsun,.. couldn't find one anywhere. Yeah I nearly bought a Mk3 'tina with one fitted, the only mod too. It had a bearing on buying it but it was just too expensive being at a garage. if anyone finds one of those ariels let us know!
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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Sept 19, 2006 11:46:47 GMT
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I can see your point, but just buying one in the first place is such a big step that you've got to be a certain kind of person just to buy it. But you are right in a way. I went to wheels day this summer and the whole front row was dedicated to 1932 fords. If i'm honest, i did walk past them quite quickly, firstly as it was raining, secondly as i was jealous but thirdly because even though i love them i have seen them 100 times before. There is a certain style 'rat rod' that i can stare at all day, but i couldn't find one in my pics. Perhaps the Nova pictured by someone else is a better example of what i am trying to get at.
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Sept 19, 2006 11:50:51 GMT
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I was parked next to bodydrops nova in an invisible 90's car and the amount of interest in the nova was amazing, general people didnt know whether to like it or not, and whether they should like it or not. same goes for Streets escy on the friday, great people watching. come to think of it the same people were sussing out my 'Merc wheels'.
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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