New skool barry vs rockabilly/rodders.

[MWF]

Something I've often winged about and had published in the Street Machine letters section a few years ago is that the hot rod scene is a lot harder for young people to get into.

[arthurbrown]

darrenw said:

Expensive? Check.
Loud green paint? Check.



Subtle? Err..

But it's not OFFENSIVE to look at. Most barry-spec cars are. Whether they are £500 budget horrors or £50,000 show pieces.

[HoTWire]

To your taste pog,..

[Dave Dorson]

to be honest, I just love cars.

I run a small site for Modified owners in Stamford (Lincs) and surrounding areas, and the "barry's" that use it are as open minded and cool as any other "car" person I've come across.

It's modifying, just in a different way, for different reasons.

I.e. Form over function.....

I'm not into their cars, and they all pretty much love my bus (NO, I've not done it, I've been ill and not really able to!) and completely "get it"

It's really easy to dismiss something you don't like as pointless and rubbish, people PROBABLY did the same with Custom Cars, Rods etc.

[DarrenW]

arthurbrown said:

darrenw said:

Expensive? Check.
Loud green paint? Check.



Subtle? Err..

But it's not OFFENSIVE to look at. Most barry-spec cars are. Whether they are £500 budget horrors or £50,000 show pieces.

Personally I think it looks hideous! There's NO WAY I'd want to be seen in it, that's just my taste... ;D

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arthurbrown said:

Alright... put it another way.

Drive down the street in a 'rod and you'll turn heads.

Drive down in the kermit's handbag and you'll turn heads and have 'Nescafe' gestures made at you.

Chuckle out loud!

Not everyone will think you are cool in an hot rod IMO, but you'd certainly believe in it more.

That Lurid greeen actually gave me some Kawasaki ideas for the Mister2.

[mitch]

Now when i first looked at that green thing i wanted to puke, but after examining it, although i don't like it i appreciate what he's done (stop laughing) even though the car itself is sh1t he had tried something different with the alligator look. Love it or hate it (i'm with the latter), you cant deny, its different.
I don't agree with the comment that older people have got more money to throw at there cars though. I did some graphics on a Focus (thats what i do for a living) last year and the bloke had spent £8,000 on the audio.........oops sorry i mean ICE. Add to that the rest of the work done, there was probably about £15,000 in that car.
Originally hot rodding was about making a slow car fast by doing as much work you could yourself and spending as little money as poss. Thats why i like this forum, from what i gather most of you are very hands on when it comes to doing your own cars (and helping out yer mates) Most of these Saxo boys pay for people to do the work.
I'd like to get three identical cars, maybe a Peugeot 106 and give one to a Barry, one to a Retro boy and one to a traditional rodder...........wonder how different they'd end up?

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darrenw said:

arthurbrown said:

But it's not OFFENSIVE to look at. Most barry-spec cars are. Whether they are £500 budget horrors or £50,000 show pieces.

Personally I think it looks hideous! There's NO WAY I'd want to be seen in it, that's just my taste... ;D

I'd want to be seen in it, and it is offesnsive to a hell of a lot of peole. Older generations, police etc...

[HoTWire]

mitch said:

I'd like to get three identical cars, maybe a Peugeot 106 and give one to a Barry, one to a Retro boy and one to a traditional rodder...........wonder how different they'd end up?

Now THATS a TV show I'd like to see..


As a side note (and not to invite abuse) I do think there could be a better term for the modern car modifiying type people than Barry or "that Max Power lot"

[MWF]

I can't be the only person who understands where Pog is coming from?

There are cars that are well put together, tasteful and genuinely fast.

And then there are cars that are bodged together, garish and a sheep in wolfs clothing.

A huge amount of what people would call barried cars are the latter.

[HoTWire]

mwf said:

And then there are cars that are bodged together, garish and a sheep in wolfs clothing.

A huge amount of what people would call barried cars are the latter.

So were a lot of the 70's customs, late 80's show Beetles and a frightening ammount of current Hot Rods.

[DarrenW]

mwf said:

I can't be the only person who understands where Pog is coming from?

There are cars that are well put together, tasteful and genuinely fast.

And then there are cars that are bodged together, garish and a sheep in wolfs clothing.

A huge amount of what people would call barried cars are the latter.

And a huge amount of Custom cars are/were too! Bucketloads of filler and wobbly panels, dodgy shutlines and crappy paintjobs... It's not exclusive to this generation of car modder

[Dave Dorson]

mwf said:

I can't be the only person who understands where Pog is coming from?

There are cars that are well put together, tasteful and genuinely fast.

And then there are cars that are bodged together, garish and a sheep in wolfs clothing.

A huge amount of what people would call barried cars are the latter.

I "get" it.

But some call a lot of cars "barried" when they don't deserve it.

Chaz, one of the guys at smvoc has a Mitsi GTO that he's put 17k into, the styling may be "barry" to many, it has under car LED's and all that curse word.

BUT it's also made using really GOOD quality stuff, same as a lot of lowriders, just on a GTO, rather than Impala or such likes

[DarrenW]

cappuccinocruiser said:

It's modifying, just in a different way, for different reasons.

I.e. Form over function.....

[...]

It's really easy to dismiss something you don't like as pointless and rubbish, people PROBABLY did the same with Custom Cars, Rods etc.

100% spot on.

And I'm with HoTWire too, I wish there were a proper term for the current modding trends.

[phatphord]

we lowriders have no taste at all

[MWF]

darrenw said:

mwf said:

I can't be the only person who understands where Pog is coming from?

There are cars that are well put together, tasteful and genuinely fast.

And then there are cars that are bodged together, garish and a sheep in wolfs clothing.

A huge amount of what people would call barried cars are the latter.

And a huge amount of Custom cars are/were too! Bucketloads of filler and wobbly panels, dodgy shutlines and crappy paintjobs... It's not exclusive to this generation of car modder

No sh*t sherlock LOL!

But go to a hot rod show and most of the cars on display will be very high quality well performing cars, often done in good taste. Go to Max Power Live and it's not the case.

[phatphord]

but there will be more tittys...

[HoTWire]

On both counts thats only true if you've not been transported back to the 70's or 80's ..

[mitch]

When i said i wanted to puke at the green thing, i meant the saxo not the 34 ford. That rod isn't my taste, too high tech for me.
But isn't this discussion proving what it started out to, i wouldn't be seen dead in a nasty little saxo and yet other people wouldn't want to go in that green 34 ford. Its because, even though they are both cars thats where the similarity ends, they wouldn't like rods at there shows and rodders don't like saxos at there shows.
I must admit, if they did do that TV show i think the retro one would look best. The 'Mod rodder' would make it look exactly as you'd expect with the standard lump in it, the retro one would (maybe) be slammed on 13" revolutions and all original trim and personally i think the hot rodder would set fire to it!!

[Seth]

This is an unwinable discussion (I wont say argument since everyone's being polite!). I know someone who set up their own forum for classics that are popular who would find that 33/34 Zipper stylee rod offensive. Actually I could probably find you a bunch of trad rodders that would find it so and slate it for being chequebook built!

Mitch, I'm not conviced that the comparison of that pink car and the roadster you posted is what Tig was getting at with this thread. Of course they are totally different but the "Bird Puller" that Hotwire posted is where the Custom and Hot Rod scene in this country developed from and is very similar in may respects to the current fashions in modifying.

The roadster has no direct links to the history of modifying cars in this country. Hot Rodding of that sort is a US import and a damn fine one at that! (and yes I know nostalgia kinda started here with the Low Flyers!) When the Americans were building rods the Brits built "specials" That is why it is tricky to find out or learn about rodding in this country and why I think it will only attract people who are already messing with cars in one way or another, be it VW's or hatches or whatever.