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Apr 10, 2013 23:10:10 GMT
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Trust me, I've looked down that avenue and due to the shape/size of the grille aperture and the way the inner wings are formed in that area, there's nothing that comes close to fitting. Poor RobinXR4i went through a book of literally thousands of rads seeing what came closest. Some rads would have fitted, but they were from something like a 600cc Mira etc...hardly suitable for a 2.5 V8. I know modern rads are more efficient, but something the same height and width as the Daimler radiator won't be suitable to replace something that nearly four times deeper! Plus then I'd need to get a seperate AT cooler....and pipework, plus new top and bottom hoses to suit the different locations on the rad. Add all that up and you're up to what I'm paying for mine to be re-done. Plus, 'for the time being' isn't relevant because I'm off on holiday on Friday and when I get back all the things to (hopefully) resolve this once and for all will be here and ready to fit. Anything else will just delay things rather than speed things up. Anyway, we can move on from this train of thought (Radweld and other alternative rads) because mine, as said, is already in being done and as far as I'm concerned, it's the right solution for peace of mind. If the car was a £200 banger, that would be a different story all together.... ....but this isn't. Even if it looks it. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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stealthstylz
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Apr 10, 2013 23:17:05 GMT
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Apr 10, 2013 23:22:12 GMT
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I thought you would have looked into lol. What about 4 Mira rad's stuck together.... j/k Glad it's all in hand, bet you cant wait to get back behind the wheel now. Always sucks when your trying to fix something and all it does is refuse to be fixed.
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sorry to hear about the rad problems. Just bear in mind that it is a 140bhp engine. Many smaller engines today produce similar power and will have similar cooling needs. Also many vehicles todat fit bigger rads to account for traffic jams... not somthing that was probably that common in the 60's.
Interesting Daimler fact: The 2.5 v8 was designed by Edward Turner (of truimph motorcycle fame).
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Apr 11, 2013 10:10:42 GMT
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Just bear in mind that it is a 140bhp engine. Many smaller engines today produce similar power and will have similar cooling needs. Also many vehicles todat fit bigger rads to account for traffic jams... not somthing that was probably that common in the 60's. Just to clarify, I've altered this to say exactly the same thing, just using BHP instead of engine size: "Poor RobinXR4i went through a book of literally thousands of rads seeing what came closest. Some rads would have fitted, but they were from something like a 55bhp Mira etc...hardly suitable for a 140bhp Daimler. I know modern rads are more efficient, but something the same height and width as the Daimler radiator won't be suitable to replace something that nearly four times deeper!"Also: "Plus then I'd need to get a seperate AT cooler....and new AT cooler pipework/connection, plus new top and bottom hoses to suit the different locations on the rad. Add all that up and you're up to what I'm paying for mine to be re-done."Hence why it's currently being re-cored so that I have a radiator that will cope with 140bhp/2.5 litres *and* will fit into the tiny aperture that Jaguar deemed 'suitable' for the car. Pretty much any other radiator that would have been suitable power/cubic capacity wise was simply too big. Even factoring in turning some of the 'possible fit' ones 90 degrees. I also forgot to mention that of the few that would/could have fitted, they also neeeded a seperate reservoir/header tank because they didn't have the filler on the radiator. Even MORE stuff to have to source and find somewhere to fit in the cramped engine bay. Like I say, it was thoroughly researched (many thanks again to Robin for the help) and the only radiators found to even remotely fit were deemed just too small to cope. Even when factoring more modern efficiency. Fingers crossed when I get back from holiday I'll be able to fit the refurbed rad, sort the water pump, fit the lower rated 'stat, put all this coolant issue behind me and actually start to enjoy the car. Something that's been missing since the moment I bought it to be honest. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png)
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Apr 11, 2013 11:21:25 GMT
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Exactly the right thing to do from where I'm sitting Bruce. It's the only way you'll be happy with it. And by the time you'd faffed around making something up that might work you'd have done twice the legwork, spent nearly as much if not more and ended up with something that probably wouldn't have been as good as if you'd followed the course of action you have done. Might not be the cheapest thing now, but it's still cheaper than having to do it all again when it actually becomes warm and suddenly your lovely Mira radiator can't cope Anyway, it deserves it. It's gorgeous.
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Apr 11, 2013 12:34:53 GMT
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Just bear in mind that it is a 140bhp engine. Many smaller engines today produce similar power and will have similar cooling needs. Also many vehicles todat fit bigger rads to account for traffic jams... not somthing that was probably that common in the 60's. Just to clarify, I've altered this to say exactly the same thing, just using BHP instead of engine size: "Poor RobinXR4i went through a book of literally thousands of rads seeing what came closest. Some rads would have fitted, but they were from something like a 55bhp Mira etc...hardly suitable for a 140bhp Daimler. I know modern rads are more efficient, but something the same height and width as the Daimler radiator won't be suitable to replace something that nearly four times deeper!"Also: "Plus then I'd need to get a seperate AT cooler....and new AT cooler pipework/connection, plus new top and bottom hoses to suit the different locations on the rad. Add all that up and you're up to what I'm paying for mine to be re-done."Hence why it's currently being re-cored so that I have a radiator that will cope with 140bhp/2.5 litres *and* will fit into the tiny aperture that Jaguar deemed 'suitable' for the car. Pretty much any other radiator that would have been suitable power/cubic capacity wise was simply too big. Even factoring in turning some of the 'possible fit' ones 90 degrees. I also forgot to mention that of the few that would/could have fitted, they also neeeded a seperate reservoir/header tank because they didn't have the filler on the radiator. Even MORE stuff to have to source and find somewhere to fit in the cramped engine bay. Like I say, it was thoroughly researched (many thanks again to Robin for the help) and the only radiators found to even remotely fit were deemed just too small to cope. Even when factoring more modern efficiency. Fingers crossed when I get back from holiday I'll be able to fit the refurbed rad, sort the water pump, fit the lower rated 'stat, put all this coolant issue behind me and actually start to enjoy the car. Something that's been missing since the moment I bought it to be honest. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png) I know you've been around this a few times, but I may have just (as in a day ago) acquired something that isn't far off what you need - looking at the photos it might be a bit tall, but it's a one off prototype part so would be pretty easy to shorten ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) What is the size of rad will fit? I'll measure the one I've got and let you know if it's near. If it'll work for you it's yours for the cost of postage, only fair since it came to me free and is too narrow for any of the projects I've got/will have going ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Apr 11, 2013 13:18:05 GMT
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Just bear in mind that it is a 140bhp engine. Many smaller engines today produce similar power and will have similar cooling needs. Also many vehicles todat fit bigger rads to account for traffic jams... not somthing that was probably that common in the 60's. Just to clarify, I've altered this to say exactly the same thing, just using BHP instead of engine size: "Poor RobinXR4i went through a book of literally thousands of rads seeing what came closest. Some rads would have fitted, but they were from something like a 55bhp Mira etc...hardly suitable for a 140bhp Daimler. I know modern rads are more efficient, but something the same height and width as the Daimler radiator won't be suitable to replace something that nearly four times deeper!"Also: "Plus then I'd need to get a seperate AT cooler....and new AT cooler pipework/connection, plus new top and bottom hoses to suit the different locations on the rad. Add all that up and you're up to what I'm paying for mine to be re-done."Hence why it's currently being re-cored so that I have a radiator that will cope with 140bhp/2.5 litres *and* will fit into the tiny aperture that Jaguar deemed 'suitable' for the car. Ok.... just a tryin' to help. I'll shuffle off now. ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png)
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Apr 11, 2013 13:48:24 GMT
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I reckon you're doing the right thing with the rad. I'm all for fixing/repairing rather than replacing where possible, but it's false economy or a fool's errand to keep on attempting to fix something so fragile. You would always have a doubt in your mind about whether repairs would hold up or leave you stranded at an inopportune moment. Some things are worth splashing the cash on for peace of mind. This will get you to the point you want hopefully - enjoying driving the car.
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Apr 11, 2013 14:22:29 GMT
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Anyway, it deserves it. It's gorgeous. Thanks Dude, that's the conclusion I've come to as well. I've got to the point now where I just want to drive it....and another one of my projects being delayed a bit longer due to me spending more on the Daimler means at least I've got something on the road sooner. I know you've been around this a few times, but I may have just (as in a day ago) acquired something that isn't far off what you need - looking at the photos it might be a bit tall, but it's a one off prototype part so would be pretty easy to shorten ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) What is the size of rad will fit? I'll measure the one I've got and let you know if it's near. If it'll work for you it's yours for the cost of postage, only fair since it came to me free and is too narrow for any of the projects I've got/will have going ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) That's a really, really awsome offer! Many thanks. I had a call an hour or so ago that my radiator is now finished and ready for collection (I'll hopefully be picking it up tomorrow), so I will stick to that route and keep with the original rad. I really do appreciate the offer though and please don't think I'm looking a gift horse in the mouth, but I'd rather someone else possibly benefits from it who might actually need it? Once again though, many thanks. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) Ok.... just a tryin' to help. I'll shuffle off now. ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) Hi Jon, I know you're trying to help and I am grateful. Apologies if I came across harshly, I didn't mean to be - it's difficult sometimes to try and respond over the internet without being interpreted wrongly so sorry if I did? ![:-[](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/embarrassed.png) I was just trying to highlight that I'd looked very closely, and at length, down all the possible avenues for an alternative, cheaper system and drew pretty much a blank each time when weighing up the pros and cons of deviating from the original set-up. The nearest radiator beyond the sub-1 litre mini car ones was actually a Land Rover Discovery radiator. This ticked a LOT of boxes in that is was only fractionally bigger than the original, had more than enough cooling for my car, had a built in AT cooler AND the hose inlet/outlets were pretty much in the right place. What put a spanner in the works was the 'fractionally bigger' part. The extra 20mm width would have meant cutting the inner wings to get it to fit and there is no way I was going to start down that route for the sake of trying to save some money. It's such a shame that the space in there is so restrictive. Apologies again..... I reckon you're doing the right thing with the rad. I'm all for fixing/repairing rather than replacing where possible, but it's false economy or a fool's errand to keep on attempting to fix something so fragile. You would always have a doubt in your mind about whether repairs would hold up or leave you stranded at an inopportune moment. Some things are worth splashing the cash on for peace of mind. This will get you to the point you want hopefully - enjoying driving the car. Many thanks, you (and Matt/Phuq) have hit the nail on the head. I jsut want to get to drive the thing now and realise that the peace of mind can only really come from knowing everything is absolutely right. If one of the rads had been able to be fixed fairly easily, I would have put one of them in and used it whilst saving up for a recore. As soon as I started realising the fragile state they were both in (probably both original 40+ year old radiators) I jsut decided to get it done now, one and, hopefully, for all. Collecting the rebuilt radiator in the morning, then off on holiday. I can't wait to get stuck into the car as soon as I get back. Fingers crossed my mojo will return sometime shortly afterwards?? ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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stealthstylz
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Apr 11, 2013 15:29:01 GMT
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What about fitting a radiator from a different car? ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Apr 11, 2013 15:30:49 GMT
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bring back welshcakes
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Apr 11, 2013 15:57:00 GMT
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I've done a quick mockup and I can see a clearance issue with the overriders. Have you thought of using a Land Rover Discovery radiator? ![](http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff217/EmDee420/Rad_zps4f6a9935.jpg)
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Apr 11, 2013 16:58:15 GMT
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EmDee, I now have a tea/monitor interface issue ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) Bruce, I can well understand the route you've gone, the last thing you want is to boil the lump and start warping stuff, a £2-300 well spent I think. And if it means you can get on and enjoy using it, has to be the right thing ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Apr 11, 2013 17:14:07 GMT
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I've done a quick mockup and I can see a clearance issue with the overriders. Have you thought of using a Land Rover Discovery radiator? ![](http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff217/EmDee420/Rad_zps4f6a9935.jpg) Bwhahaha. ;D
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Apr 11, 2013 17:20:47 GMT
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^^Funniest thing ever!^^ ;D ;D ;D I've got a radiator *just like that* in my dining room. Why the hell didn't I think of that before? ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Apr 11, 2013 18:28:25 GMT
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don't be so fecking stupid emdee
Trv's on a cast rad look plain silly...
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Apr 11, 2013 18:30:50 GMT
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I've done a quick mockup and I can see a clearance issue with the overriders. Have you thought of using a Land Rover Discovery radiator? ![](http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff217/EmDee420/Rad_zps4f6a9935.jpg) actually amazing.
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Apr 11, 2013 18:32:34 GMT
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I think you could get away with it too, as long as you put the jag emblem on top.
Like a makeshift Rolls Royce-esque grille of sorts
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Apr 11, 2013 20:52:00 GMT
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Glad to hear the good news MM, getting out in your car and driving will bring back all the enthusiasm I'm sure. I look forward to seeing it ;D
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