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Hi all! Here is my new toy, this started out life as your average 2cv6, owned by my dad as a daily runner, he got fed up with chasing rust around the car, so decided for his 40th to build a car that is not going to tie him up weekend after weekend, welding and grinding. Having been browsing through the usual kit car conversions for these, he stumbled across a new release from Deauville cars. Having viewed only a prototype built, we thought we'd have a crack at it anyway. This kit is basically a large body kit, having no need to touch any of the chassis or running gear, so we built it on the floor of the garage, fitting lights, loom, custom dash, framework and roll bar before stripping the 2cv body off the chassis and bolting the kit onto it one Sunday, ready for inspection on the Monday. Few years later we decided we wanted to take it off road, so we wanted to 4x4 it. There is a kit out there to run drive from the front to the back, but that was expensive, and we figured as we had a spare engine/box/front swing arms, that we'd simply fit that in the back, keeping it all separate so you don't suffer from gearboxes unwinding etc. plus the added benefit is you can control how much power goes to each end. Plus Citroen built the 2cv Sahara with twin engines, so we're kind of sticking to true roots. Long story short, 8 years after it was first built, my parents split and this ended up in storage, last Christmas I cut a deal with my dad to buy this, but as I can't save money it took until today before I could pay him and get her on my drive. So we move onto today, I gets up nice and early, take the girlfriends 106 to meet my dad then drive to the snug carpeted barn where the jeep has been patiently waiting. Didn't have to do much to get it going, just gave everything a once over, tested the brakes, lights etc, chucked some fresh petrol down the carb and jump started it. Just a case of driving it home! Easier said than done, the engine died 2mins from mine and as it was still rolling, dad decided to bump start the back engine to nurse it home.. Then the rear gear linkage broke(wasn't check as it wasn't intended to be used). To keep things simple, the rear engine runs from the battery at the front, so there's no alternator for it to recharge, and as the battery was pretty low on juice it didn't take long to kill that engine too. No issue, I had an AA toe rope to drag it back on, but I live up a very steep hill and it had decided to die there. The clutch in the 106 didn't approve of this abuse much! So, long story cut considerably short, that's a quick sum up of my new toy. I do have build pics somewhere, and I will post them, but here's some I took today- Few years ago, in its 'prime'  Half out of the barn-   On its way home-  Home!     |
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Not even seen the car today as I've been working and visiting my god daughter, but I've ordered a few bits for it already. Basic service kit( oil filter, two spark plugs, two sump washers etc) and extra pair of plugs for the front engine ( oil filter is not original and bigger, pointless buying two service kits) a spare air filter and a set of 4 headlight bulbs all for £30. Sorted! Just need to find my spare pair of kingpins, and order the correct filter for the front, and some oil and I can get cracking! Will have a quick butchers in the morning before work at the fuel lines and charge up the battery as i think it was a combo of both that caused it to pack up yesterday.
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Nice.
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That is very smart... I like the idea of kind of, sort of 'up-cycling' old cars as it were... It certainly makes for a more presurable re-birthing experience I suppose!!! Superb...
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Never seen one of those before, very cool  |
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I like that, looks funky.
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Really love that. It's very reminiscent of the Mehari but the front and canvas roof give it a hint of Hummvee. I like that it mimics the Sahara, they are great cars and I have seen ex Paris-Dakar Sahara's that work really well.
A little modernisation and refinement and that could be a really purposeful machine. Nice to see you are carrying on a family tradition as it were.
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What a weird and excellent piece of kit. Looking fwd to reading more. Forgive my twin-engine ignorance, but how do you control how much power goes to each axle?
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1969 Land Rover Series IIa
1980 MG Midget (bro's)
1981 Land Rover Series III
1981 Mini 'Cooper'
1982 Mini HL
1983 Mini Sprite
1987 Mini Advantage
1994 Mini Sprite auto (oil leak left as standard)
2002 Alfa Romeo 147
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Thanks for the positive comments! Didn't think this plastic bath tub would get much interest to be honest! As we had (literally) shed loads of 2cv and Dyane parts we recycled everything we could to keep true to the a-series Citroen, headlights are from a Dyane, as is the light switches and covers etc, the chassis and running gear are all standard. there are only three moving parts on this car that aren't Citroen, they are the seats (sporty fords) ignition barrel, and bonnet hinges. I'm now uploading pics of how we use the 4x4 system, but there are aspects I want to change for safety reasons. Currently trying to work out how to put videos on here, as I got it running today!
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Rightio, front engine, standard 602cc lump, yellow coil from a Harley, 123 electronic ignition and a cheap cone filter, as the standard won't fit under the trimmed bonnet  Rear engine, again standard, lumention ignition, standard coil(although that'll have my spare yellow coil) facing backwards, so the CROWNwheel was flipped in the gearbox technically giving 4 reverse gears. Had to fit a second (electric) fan as we found cooling an issue. Both engines have a CPD non-return valve between the oil breather and the air filter, just in cast the breather does decide to pack up.  I'll try to explain how the 4x4 setup is currently. The rear engine is mounted as it would in the front, so it faces backwards in the car, and the gear leaver pokes out of the box like it would coming through the dash. We had to buy a Ali race tank as the engine sits where the original tank sat   How it's been used so far was to simply fire up both engines (separate keys so you don't have to run both) pull up the clutch for the rear engine, which is a mk1escort hand break (forgot to upload that pic) on the floor, put it in 4th gear, pull away as normal using the front engine, when decide you want the extra 'boost' or when you've just put the front engine into second, link the two throttles, drop the clutch for the rear engine and away you go through the other two gears on the front, the rear engine will give you the momentum while you change  Cable from the front throttle is attached to the loop, simply hook it over the old heater control which cable is linked to the rear carb, so when you put your foot down it operates both. So if I were to take it off road, let's say its a 2nd gear hill, I can have both engines in 2nd but operate the throttles and clutches to compensate for any wheel spin, or link the two for double power. I hope it makes sense, it's difficult explaining it in words! I want to try and link the gearboxes, but without a trafficlutch which are a) very rare and b) very expensive, it's very difficult to do, plus I have no idea how to physically connect the two gear linkages! |
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Jan 19, 2014 22:16:36 GMT
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Hi all! Haven't forgotten about this, I've just been so busy! As I've not been home, nothing has physically happened with this. I have however had a few ideas on what I want to do with it. I've decided to re-design the rear engine box to something with more air flow(no final drawings). Come up with plans for re-wiring behind the dash, fitting a secure sound system with something powerful enough to hear it! I've also been deciding wether not to put it straight into an mot and use it. Reason being, I may rip the rear engine out and replace the front with something with a bit more poke, or, if new job/funds work out how I hope, I'll develop a way to link up the gearbox linkages/clutches/throttles and buy a pair(yes a pair) of these-  This is a BMW r type bike engine, largest size being a 1300 with 175bhp(I hastily researched) There is a bloke I know who has done this conversion a few times, and has the kit readily available. I may require a pair of gs/GSA gearboxes that could handle the power a bit better. Tempting... |
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Jan 23, 2014 21:58:34 GMT
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I believe the 175hp 1300 you found is probably an inline 4 from a K1300S or K1300R. The big 1200cc boxers are making good power these days but it's closer to 125hp in the R1200GS if my memory is correct.
Have you considered something like a Hayabusa engine or something else in the 1200+cc range from a Japanese bike? Probably worlds simpler than linking two separate engines together and you can get insane power with the addition of a turbo.
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Last Edit: Jan 23, 2014 22:00:44 GMT by euroshark
'84 308 GTS /// '88 528e /// '88 M5 /// '89 944 Turbo /// '98 E430
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Aye the hayabusa was considered with my first car, it's been done too many times on the continent for my liking, I'm looking to do something new. My concern with that is the fact I don't think it'll fit without butchering the fibreglass front. The 2cyl BMW lumps are shorter than he original 2cv one without the oil cooler mounted on the front. Even fitted they still fit under the bonnet. All I'd have to do is make new inner wings(which are bolt on) I'm not rushing into anything yet, a friend of mine suggested using relays and servo to control the rear throttle but as I don't have a first clue what he was on about, I was wondering if anyone on here could maybe shed some light in simple mans terms?!
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Hi all, not a lot of progress I'm afraid, I'm trying to get dry storage for this and my tools, proving difficult! Wet weather hasn't helped with progress. As the last few days have been pretty reasonable, I decided to have a bit of a play-   Decided to get her up and have a poke underneath, Got stance?   Chassis has a guard all the way down its length, protecting it, and both engines.  Rear gaiters all ok  Bone dry-  2>1 exhaust on the front well protected by the sump guard, all looking good!  Got it back on the drive and up on ramps to make a start  Had to remove all the junk in front if it but yeah..  Then I ripped its face off-   To start sorting all this wiring properly-   I hate these blocks.  More news as and when. |
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Oh, and the reason the engines were never linked was because after talking to an expert, I found out that unless it's a production car with all the correct serial numbers it won't pass relevant tests including mot.
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Oh, and the reason the engines were never linked was because after talking to an expert, I found out that unless it's a production car with all the correct serial numbers it won't pass relevant tests including mot. That should get the other "experts" going! |
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Last Edit: Mar 6, 2014 8:12:32 GMT by georgeb
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Aye I have been waiting for it to kick off! I had the perfect idea to link the two boxes, and clutches wouldn't be too much if a headache if I can adjust the rear cable. In the meantime it's not going to pass any mot in its correct state
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Been a while, had to save up for a new set of tyres and I've been so busy out of work to finish off the kingpin that I'd started. Anyway, popped in some overtime last month and ordered some rubber. It's been sat like this since my landlords catalytic converter was nicked off their car, it's not insured and not lockable so I decided to take off all the wheels so they couldn't come back for this!  Can't find pics of removal of the old pin, basically drill the top cap and prise off, unscrew the bottom cap, 1/2" extension on top of the pin and smack it out with a big hammer. Made myself a puller to pull in the new collars that the kingpin pivots on.. Wasn't up to the job and bent the threaded bar so I resorted to a socket 1/2" bar and a hammer again.  Then these fiddly little beauties go in between the swing arm and the hub, two shims(only one in pic) and the grease washer sandwiched between go inside the cup(far left) have to be slid on with the hub and slide the new pin in.. In theory.  Like this-  New pin-  Took me a good half hour to get the new pin in past the darling shims that have a tendency to shift when you put them in, but it's all in and done!   Steering arm on, driveshaft in, done!  Tyres turned up, so in theory, a quick tidy up of wires and we'll see if she pass the MOT!  Cheers, One excited Rebel! |
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Ooh, I got sent these pics by my dad the other day and forgot to post them! Original build pics! Picked up the 'tub' and the framework from Bognor Regis and trailered it home (the house in the background is made from the same GRP that the kit car is!   The 2cv was still in daily use so it was built on the floor in the garage, it came in three parts, the tub, front panel with wings, and bonnet.  Metal going in  I cut a face in it  Me at 15..  Old body off-  New on.. And me again-  And the only pic I have with its original roof, with my first car  For a few years it was used to advertise the conversion at Newark kit car show  |
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Mar 13, 2015 19:21:25 GMT
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So, Mr. Taxman sent me a cheque few weeks ago, which enabled me to tax, insure and mot the jeep! It's taken far too long but I physically couldn't afford to get it done until the cheque cleared and I got rid of my expensive flat. Unfortunately I can't seem to upload pics so that's tough! Its running sweet as a nut, couple of bits need doing, hand break is shocking, my headlights have frosted and I really need (want) to re do the interior. Hopefully I'll have a decent wage in a couple of weeks to buy new lights and carpet for the interior. Then it's seriously time to save for a BMW engine  ? |
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