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That Merc is a beast , id lov a big fast barge like that !!
Retrowrongun , yes the pinto cranks are fine arent they , its just the cossie one has the extra bolts compared with having to get the other doweled .
As for turbo , i haevnt had experience my self , but heard that a td 04 ? off a volvo might be better than a t3 as its more modern and spools up quicker ? Might be talking out of my asre . And I'm betting you could get a secondhand one dirt cheap .
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If your building a 4 pot turbo/supercharged lump. A 318is m42 lump will take either on its standard ecu and be good for 200-220bhp. Full car is about £300 and by the time you have sold any spares you should habe a free engine.
Or as i mentioned before a mr2 turbo engine can be mated to a is200 6 speed box if you use an alteza bell housing.
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Last Edit: Jul 28, 2014 8:02:08 GMT by joem83
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Jul 28, 2014 10:16:29 GMT
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Bobble you probably can get a tdo4 just as easily and they maybe are slightly better than a t3 but much more options in terms of flanges and fittings in terms of the t3 that's all Either unit would do the job nicely though for budget build
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Jul 28, 2014 14:08:12 GMT
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Last Edit: Jul 28, 2014 14:15:47 GMT by joem83
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JC
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Jul 28, 2014 15:22:33 GMT
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How much would I need to push the budget up by to cover a V8 install? Realise it's a bit of a "how long is a piece of string" question, but assuming the tunnel doesn't need cutting, the bulkhead isn't in the way etc...
Guess it still leaves:
exhausts prop box x-members v6 shells had some strut and inner wing reinforcements too, guess those should be done, along with a strut brace.
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Jul 28, 2014 15:44:06 GMT
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How much would I need to push the budget up by to cover a V8 install? Realise it's a bit of a "how long is a piece of string" question, but assuming the tunnel doesn't need cutting, the bulkhead isn't in the way etc... Guess it still leaves: exhausts prop box x-members v6 shells had some strut and inner wing reinforcements too, guess those should be done, along with a strut brace. Have you decided which v8 your going for?
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1988 Mercedes w124 superturbo diesel 508hp 1996 Mercedes s124 e300 diesel wagon 1990 BMW E30 V8 M60 powered! 1999 BMW E46 323ci project car
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Jul 28, 2014 16:56:35 GMT
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On the subject of diesels - don't they sound a bit pants compared to a v6 or v8 petrol? I don't think I'd want a naff sounding engine even if it did save me some fuel money. Mercedes OM606 is the one you want, horrendously over engineered as standard, and no they don't sound naf..
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Jul 28, 2014 17:29:43 GMT
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A rover would be cheapest and easiest i guess . Run on a four barrel carb . Not expensive and i think you might be able to get mounts off the shelf . That link above if you didnt look is for a 4.6 for £300.
A ford v8 , you would need a t5 cosworth mustang box , say maybe £400 ,a v8 maybe £400 , rebuilt if needed diy maybe £500 . don't know about the tunnel , it might fit seen as a t9 goes in sierra and capri and a t5 goes in a sierra . I guessing ypou would need a good pair of front struts as well as at least 2.8i discs and 4 pots if you can get some , maybe princess ones .
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JC
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Jul 28, 2014 20:39:07 GMT
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Have you decided which v8 your going for? Ford small block would be nice. If only for the "It should have come like this from the factory" angle. Mercedes OM606 is the one you want, horrendously over engineered as standard, and no they don't sound naf... Ooh yeah, they do sound good! A rover would be cheapest and easiest i guess . Run on a four barrel carb . Not expensive and i think you might be able to get mounts off the shelf . That link above if you didnt look is for a 4.6 for £300. A ford v8 , you would need a t5 cosworth mustang box , say maybe £400 ,a v8 maybe £400 , rebuilt if needed diy maybe £500 . don't know about the tunnel , it might fit seen as a t9 goes in sierra and capri and a t5 goes in a sierra . I guessing ypou would need a good pair of front struts as well as at least 2.8i discs and 4 pots if you can get some , maybe princess ones . I did look, thanks Still not convinced on Rover V8s, but if it's an affordable way to V8 power though, it might be worth doing it for the v8 burble alone!
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Jul 28, 2014 20:45:25 GMT
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Yes jc , it not going to b as good as a ford v8 , but it will have grunt and a great noise , and is very affordable . Your spoilt for choice !
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another thing to think of when doing an engine swap - you don't have to have all the fuel/ignition as your "dream setup" from the go
eg: On the RV8 - there's no reason why you can't just use the factory twin SU carb setup once you've got it fitted - will work fine, and one less thing to try to cost up. Same goes for the ignition, just use a dizzy.
Another example, staying with the same engine - if you get offered a stock, but running, 3.5 V8, it's going to make your life cheaper. By all means build your "ideal" engine, whilst you drive around with the other lump fitted
Trying to make it "perfect", first time round, and on a relatively small budget, will mean a drawn out build time, and you losing interest a year down the line of having an immobile car
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You're like a crazy backyard genius!
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JC
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Jul 31, 2014 14:37:38 GMT
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True, I'll bear that in mind. If it were worth it, I'm sure I could convince myself to overspend on the budget a little I guess...
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Can I ask what you found unreliable? I've got 3 hard used bmw v8's here, none have had any mechanical problems yet. 2 are fitted to e30's running the factory bosch managment, the 3rd is still in it's 7 series home. mine were cheap high-mileage nikasil motors pulled from the scrappy, 2/2 had worn or scored bores
I don't doubt the reliability of the later alusil motors, the rest of the design is pretty bulletproof. And if it weren't for my bad luck I'd only have good things to say about them, lightweight block, good head design, sounds awesome at 6000rpm
fitting in something older like a capri is awkward as the oil pump is right where the steering rack & crossmember lie
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Not read the complete thread but if you looking for cheap POWER can I suggest you look at the Chevy LSx motor? Replaced the venerable small block and is now found in pretty much everything. If you go for the LM7 variant (5.3 or 4.8) truck motor they make about 300hp and the same in torque, last for 400k miles and can be had for around $600-$1200. Yes you will need to modify the loom but plenty of how too's on the web or just go megasquirt and MSD. Fuel system is an 044 pump and a sumped tank and away you go! Best bit is they love a little boooooosssssstttttt Easy and reliable 600hp with an $800 kit... One of the magazines got over 1000hp on a standard engine with abigger injectors, cam and spring swap.... You will need to run a bonnet bulge if you go the truck motor route (Vortec) as they have a different inlet to the car engines. And a gearbox. And an axle. And a prop. And...you get the idea. Probably the cheapest way of getting 'real' power. P.
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Forgot to add that in a 4000lb+ truck they get about 19mpg US...
And for the source of all turbo LS tomfoolery may I suggest looking up Matt, the sloppy mechanic.
I will just leave this here...
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