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Hi all
My missus' 2004 rover 25 is having issues engaging gears. I *think* it's a 1.2 model (petrol).
Basically when the engine is running, it is very hard to select ANY gears (she usually manages to drive it like this wheras i find it impossible). Ti also seems to get worse the hotter the car is. Last night it was worse than ever for her when she got stuck in traffic and only just managed to force it into gear.
It had a new clutch early this year, so we should really rule that out. However note that the bite point is very low.
It engages all gears easily when the engine is switched off.
The linkages are probably a little worn but i don't think this is the overriding issue.
Could it be the cable?
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Joe
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Midas
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It sounds like a clutch issue if turning the engine off makes the problem go away. Assuming this didn't start immediately after the fitting of the new clutch then the cable and its adjustment would be my first port of call.
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It sounds like a clutch issue if turning the engine off makes the problem go away. Assuming this didn't start immediately after the fitting of the new clutch then the cable and its adjustment would be my first port of call. Yeh i'm thinking the cable as well, but don't know anything about these cars. One other thing possibly worth mentioning is that you can engage the gears (with the engine OFF) without even engaging the clutch pedal. But like i say, as soon as you turn the engine on, i struggle to get it out of neutral!! (the missus has managed to drive to work this morning though, said it was ok, but went mega hard again once the car had warmed up?!) Joe |
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Midas
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Is it definitely a cable? A quick scan suggests the 25 may have had hydraulic as well as cable clutches.
I don't know the 25 but you definitely sound to have a lack of clutch action going on, if it's a cable I'd change it for a new one, if it's hydraulic I'd bleed the circuit and get rid of what is almost definitely old fluid loaded with water. I've recently had a problem with gear engagement when hot that was fixed by flushing the hydraulic system out.
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I'm 85% certain it's a cable on this one. Going to have a good look when i get home tonight and double check.
I'm sure the gearbox oil would probably benefit from changing or topping up as well, but i don't think it's the main problem.
Cheers
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Rover 25? Hydraulic, with plastic sealed-for-life master and slave cylinders. Used to be available as a set but I can only find freelander ones listed on ebay at the moment.
They fail for fun, especially after a clutch change - if you don't tie back the plunger on the slave it pops out ruining the seal.
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in |
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check the gear oil too, they're related to the peugeot MA boxes on many rovers, and I know the MA is particularly sensitive to oil choice due to the material used in the synchro rings.
it needs to be 75w80, NOT EP oil.
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the clutch will be fine, the oil will be fine, and the release bearing *may* still be fine.....
Your issue will 99.999% be, the clutch arm seizing in the gearbox housing. They corrode, and get stuck, meaning you can't disengage the clutch.
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You're like a crazy backyard genius! |
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^ Doesn't that usually cause the opposite problem (slippy clutch) rather than making it hard to engage gears?
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in |
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Oct 10, 2014 17:15:02 GMT
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they tend to seize in the "clutch engaged" state, so pressing the clutch does very little, meaning you can't change gears  |
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You're like a crazy backyard genius!
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Oct 10, 2014 19:59:15 GMT
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OK, but the last three I did clutches on had stuck in not out... one had got so bad that it bent the arm to the point where the slave cyl pushrod popped off and dumped all the fluid.
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in |
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Oct 10, 2014 20:03:39 GMT
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If the clutch arm isn't seized in the box (although it probably is) check the cable, they are self adjusting but the internal ratchet can fail. You can manually adjust it by twisting it where it enters the bulkhead, this will wind out the slack. It will probably go baggy again soon but if it improves things, you know the cable is at fault.
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Al.
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Oct 14, 2014 22:12:34 GMT
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I've never seen a hydraulic clutch on an R25, OTOH the 45/ZS has one. I've also not seen an adjuster either. IIRC the old wedge shaped 200s had a circlip style 'adjuster' on the cable at the GB end. Nothing seems to show up looking on the Rimmer Brothers site. www.rimmerbros.co.uk/ImagePopUp.aspx?i=GRID001353 |
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Oct 15, 2014 16:29:16 GMT
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To echo BatFastard:Turn this clockwise, several times, and see if it makes a difference. It's where the cable goes through the bulkhead.  Also make sure the adjustment bolt hasn't fallen out of the top of the clutch pedal. Upside down in the driver's footwell is the only way to see, I'm afraid. |
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Oct 16, 2014 11:30:13 GMT
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Well there's a thing! I've been rallying 200s and 25s for almost ten years and never knew the clutch cable had an adjuster! I've got the engine out of the current 25 at the moment, so I'll have a look tonight!!
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Oct 16, 2014 13:48:32 GMT
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What's also funny is that I was always under the impression that the new MINI has the same Midlands gearbox that was used in the 25. The MINI is hydraulic so obviously if it's a Rover you get a cable instead. The main problem with that midland gearbox is that the bearings wear out quickly. But that's not what is happening here. This one looks like a classic clutch problem.
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Oct 16, 2014 17:36:26 GMT
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What's also funny is that I was always under the impression that the new MINI has the same Midlands gearbox that was used in the 25. The MINI is hydraulic so obviously if it's a Rover you get a cable instead. The main problem with that midland gearbox is that the bearings wear out quickly. But that's not what is happening here. This one looks like a classic clutch problem. And, that's news to me too? Rover predominantly use their PG1 gearbox (pretty much an uprated, mirror version of a Honda based gearbox) Rover 200/25/MGZR have a cable clutch, Rover 400/45/MGZS use hydraulic |
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You're like a crazy backyard genius!
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Oct 16, 2014 17:39:08 GMT
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Fair enough, It's possible I'm remembering a 400/45 job not a 200/25 one. I fix a lot of cars.
Cause is still the same though, lack of lift causing the clutch to drag.
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in |
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