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Feb 20, 2015 20:01:17 GMT
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Tried that.. towed it with a tractor still wont start..smoke coming out the exhaust but won't fire... battery a bit on the knackered side.. |
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Feb 20, 2015 20:56:52 GMT
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Will it fire on ether/ wd40/ lynx? Might get it running long enough for the pump to self bleed? Tired battery probably not doing it any favours. As has been said it can take a while to get all the air out
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Feb 20, 2015 21:12:51 GMT
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Will it fire on ether/ wd40/ lynx? Might get it running long enough for the pump to self bleed? Tired battery probably not doing it any favours. As has been said it can take a while to get all the air out While towing it noticed blue smoke out the exhaust.. wich points to diesel in the oil or knackered bottom end as head has been rebuilt .. |
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Feb 20, 2015 21:13:30 GMT
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Hi no won't fire on easy start ..
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Feb 20, 2015 21:15:16 GMT
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is it white smoke? As that indicates the timing is too retarded. If it won't even start, them it may well be quite a chunk out!
Did you tension the tensioner before, or after removing the timing pins? As the Haynes says to do it afterwards, for some unknown reason... This means it'll flop around, then when you take up the slack, it just goes wherever it wants.
A quick test, is to loosen the 4 bolts on the camshaft pulley, and turn the pulley as far anticlockwise on the slots as they will allow. If it coughs and splutters, then it does indeed need to be retimed
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You're like a crazy backyard genius! |
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Feb 20, 2015 21:26:48 GMT
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is it white smoke? As that indicates the timing is too retarded. If it won't even start, them it may well be quite a chunk out! Did you tension the tensioner before, or after removing the timing pins? As the Haynes says to do it afterwards, for some unknown reason... This means it'll flop around, then when you take up the slack, it just goes wherever it wants. A quick test, is to loosen the 4 bolts on the camshaft pulley, and turn the pulley as far anticlockwise on the slots as they will allow. If it coughs and splutters, then it does indeed need to be retimed Hi no its blue smoke. and iv tried that with the pully..It won't fire at all even when being towed in gear |
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Feb 20, 2015 21:57:17 GMT
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Has this ever run in your ownership or was it bought as a non runner? Could there be more to it than meets the eye? Not even offering to fire on easy start isn't usually a good sign
Alternatively it could be well and truely gassed up - yes it is possible with a diesel if you try and try to get them going. The 'Old School' solution to this was to remove the air filter and let it draw in some fire from a burning rag straight into the inlet manifold while spinning it over on the starter. If you are going to try this check for things that might react badly to flames/ heat first.
Blue smoke when its not running yet is just plain wierd - if it was firing then yes it would indicate burning oil but not when its not going.
Edit another thought - it has got fresh diesel in it hasn't it? Not special brew etc or even stuff thats really old and has lost its volitility?
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Last Edit: Feb 20, 2015 21:58:50 GMT by dodgerover
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Feb 20, 2015 22:06:49 GMT
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Has this ever run in your ownership or was it bought as a non runner? Could there be more to it than meets the eye? Not even offering to fire on easy start isn't usually a good sign Alternatively it could be well and truely gassed up - yes it is possible with a diesel if you try and try to get them going. The 'Old School' solution to this was to remove the air filter and let it draw in some fire from a burning rag straight into the inlet manifold while spinning it over on the starter. If you are going to try this check for things that might react badly to flames/ heat first. Blue smoke when its not running yet is just plain wierd - if it was firing then yes it would indicate burning oil but not when its not going. Edit another thought - it has got fresh diesel in it hasn't it? Not special brew etc or even stuff thats really old and has lost its volitility? Hi was taken off the road after the head gasket blew..was running well before..had head skimmed valves and valve seats machined as the valve seats were warped.. so reassembled everything checked all the timing...etch and all In spec..bleed the fuel filter..lines..etch.. glow plug light comes on the dash and goes out etch but it just won't fire... only thing left if the piston rings are shot due to the heat when head gasket went and it's loosing compression.. everything else is good and it should fire up... It was towed for about half a mile in total...maybe a little more... |
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You say the glow plug light comes on and goes out, but do the all glow plugs actually work?
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Feb 21, 2015 18:48:36 GMT
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No just tested them 1 works 3 don't
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Thats not helping then but would still have expected it to have gone with a tow or ether.
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Feb 22, 2015 11:02:12 GMT
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he managed to warp the valve seats? What on earth did he DO to it?? lol
I drove around for 2 days with no coolant (by accident) and it only needed the tiniest of skims to make it perfectly true (approx 0.2mm IIRC). Swap out the 3 easy to reach glowplugs, but don't bother with the one behind the pump - early models weren't even drilled for the 4th glowplug.
Are all the wires from the pump to the ecu ok? It's essentially a large servo that controls the pump, so if a couple of wires are broken it won't be able to supply enough fuel to crank over
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You're like a crazy backyard genius!
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steveg
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Feb 22, 2015 11:14:45 GMT
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How do you set the valve clearances on these ? My AX was a pain to start, even resorted to a capfull of petrol to get it to fire and I found the valve clearances had closed up. When it was cold there wasn't much compression as some of the valves were open. The other thing that worried me on another car was that when the head gasket went most of the coolant went into the engine. The guy who skimmed the head I might have problems with either glazed bores or the rings could have been affected.
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Feb 22, 2015 11:52:00 GMT
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ah, that's another point - the valves have hydraulic lifters. But if they weren't drained, and they were put in a different sequence, they may be holding the valves OPEN, by being too large for the gap that's actually required.
Only way to diagnose, is remove cambelts, remove the cam carrier and camshaft, then lift out the lifters (a magnet works wonders) and gently squeeze in your hand, into a bit of kitchen roll. When you can freely squish it to the bottom, it's drained. Reassemble with the correct anaerobic sealant (instant sealant will NOT work) and retime it all... again
And I've yet to see an L series with piston ring issues
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You're like a crazy backyard genius!
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Feb 22, 2015 13:18:20 GMT
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Ok cheers guys will try the lifters. do these need the glow plugs to fire or will they fire without  |
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steveg
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Feb 22, 2015 14:48:59 GMT
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Could you do a compression check ? I didn't think the rings would be very likely and the lifters should be OK.
Not sure about the glow plugs, if they aren't working it's going to make things more difficult. Squirting something in it thats a bit more combustible will help but I think you said you tried that.
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Feb 22, 2015 16:25:02 GMT
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they'll easily start on 2 - but only one is pushing it tbh
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You're like a crazy backyard genius!
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Feb 22, 2015 16:26:22 GMT
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Hi yea dI'd try a blast of easy start but still didn't fire
but if some of the valves are open that shouldn't be then it won't fire anyway
When it was being towed it should of fired even with dead glow plugs
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Feb 22, 2015 16:28:15 GMT
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they'll easily start on 2 - but only one is pushing it tbh It's the only thing I can think that's causing a no start or some of the valves are open when they shouldn't be |
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