taurus
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It wasn't until I got to the lawnmower that I realised this isn't a picture of our front drive.
The whole thing was a government cock-up from the beginning. Most of the cars ended being traded for vehicles built by foreign manufacturers anyway. If I remember right Hyundai did very well out of it.
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My mother traded in an absolutely mint peugeot 106 diesel with 60k on the clock for an hyundai i10, or whatever they are, at the time i tried very hard to get a better deal to buy the new car outright but couldn't, even without factoring in the hassle of selling the old one privately, it was a criminal waste really, it wasn't a particularly exciting car but it would have made a perfect first car for someone, but in the end the scrappage deal made the most sense purely from a mercenary point of view in that case.
You'd wonder though ho scrapped some of those classic cars, those land rovers for a start were worth way more than the money being offered on scrappage even then, series 3 may have been borderline perhaps, but that unmolested 90 county? find me one for less than £3500 with test on it. also some of the older cars, why would someone own a car like that but have no empathy for it at all? It seems odd.
Presumably the guys at the dealers must have been idiots as well, i mean you're presented with a car worth £3K for scrappage, why not simply say we'll give you the £2K ourselves and then take the £1000 profit? perhaps they're making enough already not to be bothered?
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Presumably the guys at the dealers must have been idiots as well, i mean you're presented with a car worth £3K for scrappage, why not simply say we'll give you the £2K ourselves and then take the £1000 profit? perhaps they're making enough already not to be bothered? you'ed be surprised how little some salespersons know about their brand of cars, let alone cars in general.
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Apr 10, 2015 11:18:09 GMT
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Presumably the guys at the dealers must have been idiots as well, i mean you're presented with a car worth £3K for scrappage, why not simply say we'll give you the £2K ourselves and then take the £1000 profit? perhaps they're making enough already not to be bothered? you'ed be surprised how little some salespersons know about their brand of cars, let alone cars in general. Hi, absolutely right. They are sales people who sell cars, not car people who do sales. I can remember one case at the time of a car (a Viva I think) that had single digit 1000s of miles on it and the kerfuffle they had to go through to extract it from the scheme after the salesman had written it all up before anyone noticed. Colin
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Apr 10, 2015 12:47:25 GMT
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I think even if the car was worth over £2k at the time it still had to be scrapped if it was over ten years old and went through the scheme? Surely the government paid the first £2k and the dealership made up the extra?
We all know on cars of that age the price a salesman quotes on p/x only gets put on top of the new car price anyway. So you never work out any better off. A few people I know have been offered way more than market value for their p/x just to seal the deal.
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Apr 10, 2015 12:55:35 GMT
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the petition makes it sound like the government were driving round in end of life detector vans sucking up all the shonky cars and waving cheques under peoples noses.
people voluntarily surrendered their cars, it was a choice.
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Apr 10, 2015 13:17:04 GMT
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Fair points, the salesman i spoke to at the toyota dealership might as well have been selling sofas, if i'd have offered to trade my 300tdi 90 in instead of the 106 i doubt he'd have batted an eyelid.
she'd initially wanted the toyota equivalent, i forget what it was called, they all look the same to me. The toyota salesman said they had a one off deal that ended that day, and i though oh yeah, right, no way i'm falling for that one and said i think about it. I mean the golden rule is always shop around and never take the first deal you come to, right?
when my late father bought the 106 in 1997, he'd virtually done the deal on another car but when he came to sign for it he realised it was the 13th of the month, and being superstitious said he'd come back on another day, which he would have done, but purely by chance he passed another peugeot garage the next day and thought he'd go in for a look, and found out that he could have the same car from them for £800 less. He always told that story as a cautionary tale when i was thinking of making a purchase on anything from a washing machine to a new tractor.
In this case however, although i tried, i couldn't match that original one off deal, certainly not without the scrappage allowance.
thing was, the base model was much cheaper than variants with metallic paint etc, even though these things cost a few pence more to fit at the factory, and all the demo models i could have got a deal on were higher spec, and even though i got offered a keen deal on a higher spec car to buy outright, it was still £1000 shy of the scrappage deal on the base model, assuming i could sell the old one, with all the potential aggravation involved there. IIRC by the time i'd faffed about there were no base model toyotas left so she had an i10 instead, which was better specced for the money and TBF seems like a decent buy.
you'd wonder what the point was of storing these cars for so long, is there really a backlog of designated breakers who can process them?
I know it's probably small beer in the great scheme of things but selling those cars would make no difference to new car sales, and would generate some money. I thought this was austerity britain and we were all in it together? surely there's enough money stood there to keep a couple of hospital wards going for a month or two? i don't suppose it's costing nothing to store them, either.
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Apr 10, 2015 17:25:08 GMT
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Some of the Cars must have gone to breakers as I remember being in my local yard when the scheme had just finished and the owner was on the phone. I overheard him saying he was expecting a batch of scrapage scheme cars comming in.
Like someone has already said though it's seams odd the it seams to be the older/rarer stuff that's been left behind.
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Last Edit: Apr 10, 2015 17:27:36 GMT by southside
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All those old cars will be auctioned off I reckon.
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1993 Mercedes-Benz 190e LE in Azzuro Blue.
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FOAD
Scotland
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Why are so many people getting upset about this? It's never going to happen so get over it.
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1981 Vauxhall Chevette 1984 Mercedes S123 230TE 1988 Peugeot 305 GR 1988 Hyundai Stellar 1992 Subaru MV BRAT 1992 Peugeot 205 D-turbo 2004 Ford Ranger retroshite.wordpress.com/
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Apr 11, 2015 16:20:54 GMT
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Why are so many people getting upset about this? It's never going to happen so get over it. On the one hand they're only inanimate objects, old cars that the owners didn't want anymore, so what does it matter? OTOH, it's not surprising that people who like old cars get a bit frustrated at seeing old cars going to waste, especially when they are told that said cars aren't available to them for some obscure bureaucratic reasoning. there's also the somewhat curious question of why they're still there after all this time? It's a bit like an automotive version of that last scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark with the packing cases replaced with rusty classics.
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It is sickening to see part of our automotive history being scrapped when the good ones could be preserved. I've never seen an imaginative bureaucrat unless they are dreaming up new taxes or treacherous forms to fill out.
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Old School and proud of it
1972 Mercedes Benz 250c, daily driver
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