Oh FFS not another stretch tyre thread.

[markbognor]

Just seen this link doing the rounds on facebook that claims to clear up the conjecture about the previous MOT guidance.

garagewire.co.uk/news/dvsa-updates-guidance-on-stretched-tyres/

It contains these pics:





The second of which is a much more realistic picture of a very stretched tyre than that previously published (the one where the bead was turned 90 degrees and sitting on the back) which was obviously unrealistic and still meant that even the most ridiculously stretched tyres would be inside that extream.

Unfortunately it doesn't site a source any further than DVSA. The MOT manual page doesn't have any special notices (additions to the manual that do not appear in the current published version) shown. Is there another place that official changes/interpretations are published - there is an "official" forum isn't there?

[markbognor]

So moments later this link turns up from the MOT testers Blog,

Which is the same article from last year that had the stupid diagram - but now has updated images from May this year.

mattersoftesting.blog.gov.uk/stretched-tyres-an-mot-failure/

[Ryannn]

The link you've posted reads to me that, if the entire vertical part of the bead of the tyre does not sit flush against the rim, it's a fail.

[stealthstylz]

Has anybody got the old photos on the MOT guidance saved somewhere? I'm waiting for a court date to come through got a summons for 4 stretched tyres so insta-ban if they want to and it'd be handy evidence

[markbognor]

Jul 10, 2016 20:22:37 GMT stealthstylz said:

Has anybody got the old photos on the MOT guidance saved somewhere? I'm waiting for a court date to come through got a summons for 4 stretched tyres so insta-ban if they want to and it'd be handy evidence

Ouch - so you are going to be our legal precedent are you? I remember you mentioning it on FB now - hope it goes the right way. Are you challenging an officers opinion that the tyres were being used illegally?

[stealthstylz]

He didn't measure the wheel width and there aren't any markings on them so not sure how they can prove they're inappropriate. Was stopped in February so was still on the old MOT example photos

[avengertec]

Have you got a pic of your tyres they are trying to nick you for

[markbognor]

Jul 10, 2016 20:33:43 GMT stealthstylz said:

He didn't measure the wheel width and there aren't any markings on them so not sure how they can prove they're inappropriate. Was stopped in February so was still on the old MOT example photos

This link still seems to have the original pics: www.clubpolo.co.uk/forums/topic/344944-stretched-tyres-an-mot-failure-information-from-dvsa/

And here they are out of their original context.

[stealthstylz]

Yeah I'll put em up when I get on a PC. They're pretty stretched don't get me wrong, but nothing like the old MOT photo.

[qwerty]

Jul 10, 2016 20:52:21 GMT stealthstylz said:

Yeah I'll put em up when I get on a PC. They're pretty stretched don't get me wrong, but nothing like the old MOT photo.

Have you read through the thread on Edition38, where someone has also challenged the decision in court and won? I'll try and find a link.

[VIP]

Jul 11, 2016 7:23:04 GMT qwerty said:

Jul 10, 2016 20:52:21 GMT stealthstylz said:

Yeah I'll put em up when I get on a PC. They're pretty stretched don't get me wrong, but nothing like the old MOT photo.

Have you read through the thread on Edition38, where someone has also challenged the decision in court and won? I'll try and find a link.

His tyres weren't outside the manufacturers width specs though. He took the min/max width chart appropriate for the make and model of tyre and his wheel was the minimum width, so they threw it out.

[fordperv]

Every time I see the thread title stretch tyre, I cringe, i am quite looking forward to seeing a picture of the tyres in question that they are attempting to prosecute over, obviously I have my own opinions on overly stretched tyres that I'm keeping to myself as they aren't constructive.

[qwerty]

Jul 11, 2016 10:52:13 GMT VIP said:

Jul 11, 2016 7:23:04 GMT qwerty said:

Have you read through the thread on Edition38, where someone has also challenged the decision in court and won? I'll try and find a link.

His tyres weren't outside the manufacturers width specs though. He took the min/max width chart appropriate for the make and model of tyre and his wheel was the minimum width, so they threw it out.

Yeah thats why I was trying to find it. The thread had a lot of the different tyre manufacturers spec sheets in it. I've got as far as page 31 in the bar and still can't find it haha.

[pistonpopper]

This probably isn't a constructive post, but, what's the point? In my opinion it doesn't look good, but leaving all that aside for a moment, what is the point of stretching your tyres, is it actually beneficial to the car in some way?

[ChasR]

Jul 11, 2016 12:21:13 GMT pistonpopper said:

This probably isn't a constructive post, but, what's the point? In my opinion it doesn't look good, but leaving all that aside for a moment, what is the point of stretching your tyres, is it actually beneficial to the car in some way?

Loads of reasons:

• Because you can
• Because you can really show off the edge of your rims
• Because race car - race cars do it (OK, I know it's not to the same extent, but stretch is like an exageration of a race car
• Because in some people's eyes having the tyres looking they may pop off the bead looks better than the mutt's nuts
• A mild amount of stretch on the sidewall can actually aid handling by allowing the tyre to move a little less on the rim ; My M3 has a tiny amount of stretch on the rear from the factory for example (9.5J rim with a 255 tyre). It does make it a royal pain for me to park considering it's not the easiest car to see out of!

[mikeymk]

The point is, until now, the law has been that the tread has to be covered by the arch. So if you want wider rims, so they're deeper and stick out further, fine - but you just can't have wider tyres..

This has led to people wanting to get the oddly fashionable Mario-Kart look by running wheels which run over pedestrians whilst still getting the tread to the arch, and therefore being technically blaggable in the event of some Police brutality.

Now though, the law is trying to bring some common sense into the equation, without affecting those who run wheels that fit.

[stealthstylz]

[stealthstylz]

[Dr.AK]

Jul 11, 2016 12:21:13 GMT pistonpopper said:

This probably isn't a constructive post, but, what's the point? In my opinion it doesn't look good, but leaving all that aside for a moment, what is the point of stretching your tyres, is it actually beneficial to the car in some way?

Usually it's just done to get the widest rim possible under the fenders with the smallest possible clearance. Over here in Germany it started in the 80ies when people tried stuffing wide wheels under the car and the law mandated that the thread pattern had to be covered by the fender, but the wheel itself was allowed to poke out. That law has changed a bit, but people still do it.

I like it when it's done up until a certain point, but there's a point where it just becomes silly.

[qwerty]

Jul 11, 2016 12:47:02 GMT stealthstylz said:

That doesn't even look that excessive, especially with the large sidewall.