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Hello right I got a issue basically, I recently done my front and rear coil overs and needed tracking doing so I called up few local garages and asked prices on wheel alignment, the first garage asked about the car and I said golf mk1 he said that be just front wheel alignment and camber caster, and said that it only be fronts that will need adjusting, and said £75-£100 the second garage said £30, and when I said about the adjustable camber bolt they didn't want to know and said a special machine is needed for that and referred me to another place, which I called and they could do it but its £45 and it could go up to £120, and they only make 4 adjustments, I said it will need doing as I know it needs doing, another garage said £30 again and said they can't do it because of the camber adjustment, all garages have said that only the front will be adjusted and cant do nothing to backs, now I know I got neg camber as I tucked my wheels in my arch but I still need tracking, so why are these garages being put off, and why the high prices its only a adjustable camber bolt with eccentric washer I adjusted it the best I can but the tracking needs doing as the wheel is toe-in I bought a camber gauge, but the tracking needs doing then I can do the camber so my question is why the high prices because they should know its a adjustable camber bolt, and why cant they do my tracking but they saying they cant, and is it true its only the front tracking \adjustment they can do but I thought you could use laser 4 wheel alignment to make sure all 4 are correct, all help appriciated thanks
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Find a motorsport based place to do it , they will know what they are on about .
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Any good motorsport places around Buckinghamshire?
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Wilk
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I had mine aligned using a hunter system. They did all 4 wheels irrelevant of the amount of adjustments required. Believe it cost around £75 all on from memory
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Last Edit: Aug 8, 2016 22:56:42 GMT by Wilk
If it can be fixed with a hammer, then it must be an electrical fault
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Put a post up in the mk1 club and the tracking alignment and camber should be adjusted together when its all done prices are about £60 but it might depend in where you are, but I was told to avoid people that don't know which I think everyone local to me don't know, does anyone recommend someone in Buckinghamshire thanks
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The places quoting £30 is just for front wheel tracking, the kit to do the front and rear tracking and camber costs a lot of money as does the proper training for the staff which is why they will charge more.
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Any good motorsport places around Buckinghamshire? E D motorsport in Bicester if your not too far , there has got to be other places . What about GMbodycraft in milton keynes , I'm not sure if they can do it but they will be able to pout you in touch with someone , Gary is a great guy there . |
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Thanks guys I don't mind traveling mk is about hours drive, but I will give them a shout and see how it goes, I want to find the right person, but these days it seems like these new mechanic don't really understand old skool cars its like these days it plugged in to a computer and it tells you stuff, lol bit off topic but needed to get that of my chest ..... Rant over
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^Not wrong there mate. I sometimes think real mechanics are in danger of becoming extinct.
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I travelled to WIM to do the final set up on my Triumph because they had built such a good reputation from knowing what they are doing.. Albeit, it was a few years ago but I was very impressed.... |
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Aug 10, 2016 12:48:31 GMT
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Hello right I got a issue basically, I recently done my front and rear coil overs and needed tracking doing so I called up few local garages and asked prices on wheel alignment, the first garage asked about the car and I said golf mk1 he said that be just front wheel alignment and camber caster, and said that it only be fronts that will need adjusting, and said £75-£100 the second garage said £30, and when I said about the adjustable camber bolt they didn't want to know and said a special machine is needed for that and referred me to another place, which I called and they could do it but its £45 and it could go up to £120, and they only make 4 adjustments, I said it will need doing as I know it needs doing, another garage said £30 again and said they can't do it because of the camber adjustment, all garages have said that only the front will be adjusted and cant do nothing to backs, now I know I got neg camber as I tucked my wheels in my arch but I still need tracking, so why are these garages being put off, and why the high prices its only a adjustable camber bolt with eccentric washer I adjusted it the best I can but the tracking needs doing as the wheel is toe-in I bought a camber gauge, but the tracking needs doing then I can do the camber so my question is why the high prices because they should know its a adjustable camber bolt, and why cant they do my tracking but they saying they cant, and is it true its only the front tracking \adjustment they can do but I thought you could use laser 4 wheel alignment to make sure all 4 are correct, all help appriciated thanks It seems like no.1 is the best shout of your lot. Remember that adjusting one measurement will throw out the rest, meaning they will always be running around the car, not just adjusting it once and that's it. Ideally you'd get a 4 wheel alignment. I know the rear is not adjustable but it is good to dial in the thrust line into the mix which adjusting the front can cater from when the rear is also looked into; i.e how the car 'crabs', I've not seen many that don't do this. The reason why some people do not want to know is due to the extra work and they don't fancy playing about with more seized bolts than they are used to on a job ; I can appreciate your car has none of these issues. Thanks guys I don't mind traveling mk is about hours drive, but I will give them a shout and see how it goes, I want to find the right person, but these days it seems like these new mechanic don't really understand old skool cars its like these days it plugged in to a computer and it tells you stuff, lol bit off topic but needed to get that of my chest ..... Rant over Moderns still need all of what you need adjusting. It's just a pain when it is all seized up, when something like an MOT or a basic service will generally be easy money in comparison and something anyone can do. On a 944 it's more £100 to adjust everything if all of the bolts are free (caster, camber and toe up front, camber and toe on the rear), but those costs spiral when things are seized up, the rear being the usual culprit on a 944. As for places to try there are some good suggestions here but here are a few more, where are you based? -Chris at Centre Gravity, Athersone ; Chris' reputation preceeds and he is one of the best out there. Cheap he is not and he has quite a waiting list. -Ross at BT Tyres, Rugby: Tell him Chas sent you. He can do your measurements and is reasonable with his costs. He enjoys his trackdays as well. -Southam Tyres in Leamington Spa ; they are not too bad and were OK with my E36. IIRC they charged around £60 to fully track it and also mess about with the seized TREs up front. But you are right to be cautious. A few big names around here and I am not talking about Kwik-Fit will happily charge around £60 and cheat on the job quite a bit. |
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Aug 10, 2016 20:54:26 GMT
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Thanks chas I will be going to see someone that knows more about these and WIM seem to know a bit, hopefully get it done, your not the only one to say that about.kwik-fit a fellow mk1 had a very bad experience, everything is freed on the hub with camber but the tracking side I don't know when it was last touched, but I think I will get some new camber bolts before I get it done as they seem to be a little rusty,
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Thanks guys I don't mind traveling mk is about hours drive, but I will give them a shout and see how it goes, I want to find the right person, but these days it seems like these new mechanic don't really understand old skool cars its like these days it plugged in to a computer and it tells you stuff, lol bit off topic but needed to get that of my chest ..... Rant over And this is why we should be using old school mechanics to train new mechanics and not a bunch of spanner monkeys Its the same in the building trade, I'm a chippy and don't think i will ever retire as they seem to think 6 months to a year turns out a tradesman these days  |
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Aug 17, 2016 22:50:02 GMT
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Thanks guys I don't mind traveling mk is about hours drive, but I will give them a shout and see how it goes, I want to find the right person, but these days it seems like these new mechanic don't really understand old skool cars its like these days it plugged in to a computer and it tells you stuff, lol bit off topic but needed to get that of my chest ..... Rant over And this is why we should be using old school mechanics to train new mechanics and not a bunch of spanner monkeys Its the same in the building trade, I'm a chippy and don't think i will ever retire as they seem to think 6 months to a year turns out a tradesman these days So true, I only used used a garage to do my timing belt as I didn't want to mess it up even tho i was told its quite simple on the mk1 golf, and also got a guy to do some welding other than that it was done by myself which I enjoy plus being in here and the mk1 club you have guys ready to help you when you need that bit of guidence, and you know the work has been done, the work van goes in to the mechanic for the past 5/6 years who does any work needed doing and does a MOT test, but it was then taken to another garage who pointed out it needed alot of work doing to it which was not done by the garage we use, so I feel its better to do the work yourself, think that's why I haven't really got on with modern cars as its just to much work with these sensors and stuff and getting it plugged in, I like to keep it old skool, less hassle and less sensors and stuff. |
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Even modern cars aren't as simple as sensors going wrong; alot of people will misinterpret the data and generally go on a "replace all the parts until its fixed" regime until the car works.
What you really want is a mechanic who is a bit of both. Old school so that he can interpret what the car (read the computer) is telling him, and new school so as to harness the new technology.
I say this as I had a Passat once which had been misdiagnosed a camshaft by two garages. It took a VW specialist and some careful reading of the results to get to the bottom of it. Many were telling me to replace the MAF due to the codes...
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