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Jul 13, 2019 22:16:47 GMT
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My guess is that qm is off on his hollies again and don't want the neighbours to know... Just like last time. So if anyone wants to raid his shed, now is the time! I think you are right, I know he was discussing flights to America recently. Raid his shed? I'm off to raid his wife
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Jul 13, 2019 23:09:48 GMT
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I concur with Rob M reliantreviver. And everyone else's sentiments...... Unless it's just a ploy to get the silent watchers/stalkers/ popcorn munchers to feel they have to comment...... In which case it seems to be working 😂😆😄😬
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Jul 13, 2019 23:10:30 GMT
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I've only been perusing RR sporadically today because it's my wife's birthday. So I've been vaguely aware of the tremendous outpouring of collective grief that the nation is now experiencing in light of the Naughty Corner announcement, but I haven't exactly read everything on the last two/three pages. Apologies. Short on free time just now.
I can't recall what I had actually said at whatever o'clock I posted last night either, but perhaps I ought to explain myself better... because I've been alerted by phone that The Benevolent Dictator has personally been drawn into mediating the nation's tremendous outpouring of collective grief. So an escalation has happened somewhere, although I can't be ar5ed to go back and find out how/where/why that escalation happened. All I know is if RR was North Korea and the Benevolent Dictator had been dragged into this there, I'd now be decorating the end of an anti tank round or feeding some large dogs.
So the thing is... its not really about the moderators, nor is it really about fears of inappropriateness (I have on occasion PM'd Hotwire to ask him to let me know if it's annoying and as I've not heard back I'm fairly confident it hasn't become an extreme irritation for him just yet), it's not about self-pity or feeling needy for attention, and I'm not on holiday either. It's a good job I'm not on holiday considering the fact that if this was a necessary ruse to cover for my absence it's immediately been broadcast that I must be on holiday.
What it is, is that I feel like I've reached a point where I either need to do something else, or at the very least I don't feel I can keep doing this.
Things change and move on. L7 announced he's not going to publish his gorgeous show reports any more and aside from the ensuing discussion which drew him into the exact same rabbit snare that forums always catch people in when they decide they don't want to do something anymore - I respect and completely understand his decision.
Then I noticed the 'RR club' thread on here, and realised that was going ahead too. (I have paid my membership dues by the way, but I see that more as a tiny token of my appreciation for what's been, not what's coming in terms of the club, most of which is not relevant or pertinent to me). It's a change. Change is afoot. Change is in the air.
L7 changed.
RR is changing.
My wife is getting even older. (Blackpaps... raid my wife at your peril. Have you seen the bathroom scene in The Shining?)
It's just time for a change. For me. It's not self pity, a cry for help, a need for some attention, or a covert holiday announcement... it's just that I don't want to continue with this particular style of contribution anymore.
I actually realised it had run its course and served its purpose for me personally late last summer, and I was going to stop posting around that time. But then the weekender tickets were announced, and I thought "Why not, it's local", and the next thing I knew I had allowed myself to be coaxed into doing a BNMAC stand and people had started signing up. So I decided to keep going until after the weekender. Then i had a great time at the weekender so I stuck around a while, and then it was Gathering talk, and I briefly thought "Yeah I can get to the Gathering". I can't get to the Gathering though.
So I'm now back at the point of feeling like this almost three year long run of having a ridiculous progress thread that then became a treehouse has been good, really good... but it's time for me to stop and do something else now.
What has changed here, for me, is that I used to drop in more as a lurker on RR and there used to be more people slopping about with junker cars (at least that's how I remember it but maybe I was selective). Then I saw it evolving and it started to feel more like a place to focus on high ambition and aspiration. People stopped sticking their rear axles on with a WHSmiths stapler, and started doing mad welding skillz in state of the art workshops. Everyone's wheels started sticking out at odd angles, and immaculate paint jobs started happening. It all went a bit SEMA.
I thought to myself "that's not me. I'm not about that. I'm about not-quite-remembering the trick of cracking an egg into a leaking radiator, and instead stuffing three kilos of sausage meat in there by mistake".
So the original intention with The Naughty Corner was to not be intimidated, and to just be open and honest about being a lower rung hobbyist working on junk with one single box of basic tools I've had since 1980 when may dad donated them to enable me to fix my bicycles so he didn't have to. I wanted to try and hang on to the idea of just doing what you can and not being put off or intimidated by the experts and their awesomeness. And that's what I did. And then it became a bit of a youth club, and that was a laugh too, but three years later... I don't know... I've just lost the drive I once had to be a torch-bearer for the lower rung bodgers out there with £200 ebay cars and a packet of blu-tack to work with. Particularly when you consider that I have succeeded in attracting precisely zero likeminded lightweight bodge-hobbyists to join in with the Naughty Corner mayhem, yet I have paradoxically lured some of the most respected and skilled people from RR to be regular commenters in here (ahem, I said "SOME of the most respected and skilled people". Not you pal. Sit your ass back down).
My intention failed. I did not galvanise hapless bodgers everywhere to unite in joyful defiance of pride and excellence. Punk is dead.
I don't feel like I want to be the lone idiot any more. I guess that through this exercise I've learned that actually I am okay at what I do. I get by. I'm good enough for me. I keep my car on the road, I do as much as I can, and my bodges are not absolutely awful because they work. When it's beyond my means I get it sorted via referral to greater expertise. Nobody else is ever going to approve of how I do the things I do, and nobody else needs to approve of them. In fact nobody else needs to know at all what I'm doing or why I'm doing it that way. I've got absolutely nothing to prove.
That being the case, I also have nothing to say.
I'm extremely limited in my resources and I'm always attracted to junk cars more than minters. But there's nothing inherently wrong with what I do... so why go into such pre-emptive detail talking about it in here, while other people 3D print their own working Lancia Stratos in their lunch break?. And if I stop doing the pre-emptive talking about my minor piffling, then all that's left is "I changed my sump plug today" because I'm not ever, ever, going to take a barnfind 1962 glove box lid and regenerate a rare, restomod show-winning car out of it. I am only ever going to sellotape old pie boxes to my roof and shout "EVERBODDY! I DID A LAZER TANK!".
I feel like I don't want to be making a thread out of that anymore. I just want to drive this car of mine, fix it when I can, ask for advice on RR when I need it, and add my 'likes' and comments to other people's threads when the desire takes me.
I'm just having a change, that's all. Call it the manopause.
Maybe if I switch cars and find myself in a completely new situation, I might want to start a progress thread on here. But this one, by my own hand has been willingly and quite gloriously destroyed by mayhem. It's been a daily source of fun for me for nearly three years, but now I want to let it go and see what new thing happens.
I hope that makes more sense than the previous message. I apologise to the Benevolent Dictator for the fact you were roused from your slumber to address us peasants.
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Jul 13, 2019 23:10:58 GMT
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It's got to keep going. I used to feel guilty sometimes about LfM not adhering strictly to the forum ethos. Wondered if it really had a place here. Then along came Naughty Corner and all my guilt just fell away!
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vulgalour
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This was the NAUGHTY CORNERvulgalour
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I can empathise with this entirely, had a similar personal experience with the Retro Rides Meadowhall meet that imploded pretty spectacularly because of a Select Group Of Bumholes that started attending on the regular. Efforts to recapture the celebration of everything from boggo to minty, from barried to stylish were met with a stubborn refusal to accept that yes, we don't have to be grown ups but no, that doesn't mean burn outs on a public road and driving over flower beds.
I digress.
What I mean to say is I understand your reasoning and it is reasonable. Things have got a bit glossy of late, a bit, restorationy, and the more budgety and bodgey folks haven't posted so much in recent years which is a shame. Times change, the cars change, tastes change, that's how it is. The important thing is to keep doing what makes you happy and if Naughty Corner isn't making you happy, then it's time for the new Quatermass Experience to begin, whatever that might be.
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Jul 14, 2019 11:48:08 GMT
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NO IT ISN'T at least not any more so than it has been over the past 15 years of existence. *sigh*
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luckyseven
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This was the NAUGHTY CORNERluckyseven
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Jul 14, 2019 12:00:44 GMT
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So it's my fault! Acktcherly, I blame that insufferable odious welsh on Slavage Hunters for convincing Joe Public that rusty old chod is intrinsically valuable, rather than simply worth something to someone it matters to . Now even knackered, rusty old ebay clunkers are valuable and it's patina, darling* But joking aside ...and without wishing to have the temerity to contradict the Benevolent Dictator... I fully understand your epiphany and not just because I've had my own road to Damascus moment lately. There's been a sea change here and it's happened over a long time so you can only notice it happen when you stop and look back. And it's really hard to put into words exactly what it was...it just doesn't feel right. It may simply be as straightforward as some humans (like me, and I think to a lesser extent, Quatermass) are really bad at coping with change. I look around and think "hardly anyone whose projects first drew me here are still posting" and it makes me confused and insecure because I'm not good with change and I feel like somehow I got left behind and didn't notice until it's too late. It's a feeling like catching 40 winks in the corner of the cafe while the tourbus quietly pulls out of the carpark and no-one notices I hope it's that. Personally, I hope very much it's me...and you... and not the entire internetz. I hope, genuinely, that RR has survived the Great Forum Death Syndrome epidemic and will continue being the superb place it has been for so long. I fear it's simply delayed the inevitable because it's awesome quotient has kept it immune for longer than most. Probably not the place for a massive essay about the monetisation of the internet and the fact pretty much all of it is now owned by the largest global corporations since the East India Company, and probably with more control over international matters than any organisations in human history. The days of the little man, the club forum, the unique and the outre being able to survive are very much numbered IMO Hope not. like I say, I hope it's us who've drifted out of place. Like @quatermass, I'm more than happy to pay club membership here because it's the very least I can do for all the joy RR has given over the years. I wish all the best with it. Personally I'm praying I've just reached that stage in life where I've simply lived too long and all the colour's fallen away * see also "VW Scene"For negativity penance, a photo of some lovely flowers. And a retro. Possibly the best retro ever made [/Carlsberg voice] (See what I mean? Control. Even Carlsberg are no longer allowed to claim to be the best at anything)F40 and azaleas by Nick Liassides, on Flickr
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luckyseven
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This was the NAUGHTY CORNERluckyseven
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Jul 14, 2019 12:10:24 GMT
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Not up to your usual std Nick, the azeleas are out of focus It's art, dammit It's a damming indictment of the separation policy of the them-and-us attitude endemic at Goodwood events. The beautiful people stroll up the Drivers' Club red carpet and never even pause to notice they're walking past one of the most iconic cars ever built. The enthusiasts who know exactly what a seminal, influential unicorn they're looking at can only catch glimpses through a artfully-arranged azalea hedge that may as well be razor wire. Large be-suited bouncers not pictured just out of shot. See? Someone hands you a rose, look for thorns
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Jul 14, 2019 13:46:16 GMT
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What I mean to say is I understand your reasoning and it is reasonable. Things have got a bit glossy of late, a bit, restorationy, and the more budgety and bodgey folks haven't posted so much in recent years which is a shame. Really?Really?Really?Really?Really?picked at almost random from the first page of posts in Readers Rides.
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Jul 14, 2019 13:46:21 GMT
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Here is the thing... This happens every few years. Some people or group of people become intrinsic to the forum, posting threads, commenting on each others threads, organising stuff, organising meets/club stands etc. really really really getting involved. They become a dominant personality of the forum, and some people like them, and others don't (and those people leave). Then they have a blow up about something, maybe a few threads they posted didn't get the warranted amount of attention they thought they deserved. Maybe there was some curse word at a meet they organised and it soured their relationship to the forum. Maybe something totally outside the world of RR is happening and some how it has reflected on RR. Maybe they are just bored of shonky old cars. Whatever, there is a blow up and a big public "I'm going to do other stuff because RR has changed..." ... Thing is though, RR itself doesn't change very much. We get different people over the years, we have different dominant personalities over the years, but our core thing of what we're about HAS NOT CHANGED. We like older, preferably modified cars, we like them built in a shed with no money and minimum of tools, and we like them built by Troy Trepanier with a limitless budget, we like (well I) like Aston Martins as much as we like Austin Allegros, we like them undrivably low and we like them tuned for track perfection and we like them daily driven and totally stock. This is what RR is.
So if people are going to stop using the forum, as many many people have over the years and many more will join and become super involved in the future and then leave and do other stuff for whatever reason, do it. No need to make a big song and dance about it, unless that is what you really desire and feel you're not getting enough of, the attention.
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dikkehemaworst
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This was the NAUGHTY CORNERdikkehemaworst
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Jul 14, 2019 15:05:49 GMT
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I hoipe it makes sense , English isn't my native language , but it happens every day. People's interests shifts from time to time. Thats why we change jobs, carbrands or even lifepartners. We just do not feel at home, even as virtual as at home on a forum and that hurts from time to time.
RR stays RR , but our interests have shifted.
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Jul 14, 2019 16:15:49 GMT
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Here is the thing... This happens every few years. Some people or group of people become intrinsic to the forum, posting threads, commenting on each others threads, organising stuff, organising meets/club stands etc. really really really getting involved. They become a dominant personality of the forum, and some people like them, and others don't (and those people leave). Then they have a blow up about something, maybe a few threads they posted didn't get the warranted amount of attention they thought they deserved. Maybe there was some curse word at a meet they organised and it soured their relationship to the forum. Maybe something totally outside the world of RR is happening and some how it has reflected on RR. Maybe they are just bored of shonky old cars. Whatever, there is a blow up and a big public "I'm going to do other stuff because RR has changed..." ... Thing is though, RR itself doesn't change very much. We get different people over the years, we have different dominant personalities over the years, but our core thing of what we're about HAS NOT CHANGED. We like older, preferably modified cars, we like them built in a shed with no money and minimum of tools, and we like them built by Troy Trepanier with a limitless budget, we like (well I) like Aston Martins as much as we like Austin Allegros, we like them undrivably low and we like them tuned for track perfection and we like them daily driven and totally stock. This is what RR is. So if people are going to stop using the forum, as many many people have over the years and many more will join and become super involved in the future and then leave and do other stuff for whatever reason, do it. No need to make a big song and dance about it, unless that is what you really desire and feel you're not getting enough of, the attention. Well said that man Cheers Matt
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vulgalour
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This was the NAUGHTY CORNERvulgalour
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Jul 14, 2019 17:01:43 GMT
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Okay, so, I feel like I hit a nerve and that wasn't my intention. Perhaps it would have been more accurate to say I feel like the things I click on are less bodgey/budget and more shiny/money than they used to. Especially since half the threads @hotwire linked there are already on my bookmarks here, or on other forums.
I still enjoy the forum, I have no problem with how things are, I understand that fundamentally it is still the same. Personal perception is a funny thing. I still struggle to see the newer end of the retro scale as old cars, even though they are, so what might look shiny and not-budget to me is probably actually very budget and very RR. The W140 is a good example of this, it's a new car to my eye even though it's 21 years old and quite clearly in the RR bracket, so I gloss over it and dismiss it as 'shiny modern stuff' even though everything in that thread is the sort of stuff that pulled me here in the first place all those years ago.
Perception is a funny old thing and it can be very easy to feel like the odd one out, like you don't fit, which is especially odd when you consider how broad a church RR is. RR is communities within communities, it's a dozen different types of people doing a dozen different types of things and mixing and matching everything about all over the place.
I am very aware there are plenty of people on here doing the budget build thing, and there's a good number of folks doing it to cars that interest me and in ways that interest me. My personal perception is that, when it comes to what's being uploaded here, the sorts of cars that interest me are fewer than they were and that, primarily, is down to the fact that as cars get older and harder to find, or more valuable, the sort of folks that were budget building those are now moving on to other models instead. It's the nature of the beast.
So, not a criticism of the site, merely a personal observation, and in no way meant as an attack of any sort.
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Jul 14, 2019 21:49:16 GMT
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I've been drag racing all day so first time to comment.
I respect QM's desire to stop, but I think his reasons for stopping are based on falsehoods.
He remarked recently that he would like a job where he makes people happy and makes them laugh, well he did that here very well on this thread.
I don't believe anyone ever looked down on his car fixes/repairs/alterations, his work was as worthy as anyone elses.
His remarks about too many top end cars/builders is also misguided, I guess I fall into that bracket, yet I find QM's, Vulg's, jonthesparky, george and zelandeth's threads some of the most interesting. Not necessarily due to their technical prowess but to the readability and the journey of the owners and the cars.
That is one of the greatest assets of this forum, the broad range of cars and the fantastic non judgemental attitude of the people that post here.
So farewell Tim, but I think wherever you may post in the future may be a lesser place than here.
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bstardchild
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Jul 14, 2019 21:55:10 GMT
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I find QM's, Vulg's, jonthesparky, george and zelandeth's threads some of the most interesting. Not necessarily due to their technical prowess but to the readability and the journey of the owners and the cars. check out luckyseven build threads for similar
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Jul 15, 2019 12:24:44 GMT
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Maybe late to the party but I will make one comment here.
Been on Retrorides a long time. Posted random stuff etc.
BUT
This has always been my homebase.
The diversity and self regulation is what makes it so nice.
Actually a safe place in a world of keyboard warriors
I follow many threads and never comment as they are technically out of my league like Blackpopracing’s build.
But I love it.
Your posts QM and threads imho are entertaining and valuable.
Simples.
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Jul 15, 2019 13:29:29 GMT
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Cheers Grizz. Thats very nice of you to say so. Cheers others too, that was also very nice of you to say whatever it was that you said that I'm now saluting you for saying. Anyone who has merely skimmed my first very short post - and my second longer post where I hoped to clarify things a bit more - and has come away with the impression that I've announced a flouncing, attention-seeking departure from Retrorides has mis-read or not paid close enough attention to what I actually typed. I'm still intending to participate fully in Retrorides (unless Hotwire sends in a sniper) I just want to call my role as founder, host and primary contributor of the very excellent Naughty Corner thread to a close. That doesn't even mean The Naughty Corner has to end really - it's done a good four pages in two days since I stopped posting. It actually doesn't even mean I'm going to absolutely refuse to post in it anymore in future either, being realistic about it. It does mean I'm not going to be using it for personal updates any more. I'm not going to be fuelling the conversation with my regular trivial auto slapdashery. I'm no longer the host and compere of this mayhem. Maybe it can just become the Retrorides Speakeasy thread without it being about some aging brummy bloke's trials and tribulations with a shabby plastic car that only ever needs little tweaks to keep it squeaking and rattling in good health Heres a couple of screen shots of a thread from another forum. One day, sixteen years ago, somebody started a thread that said, simply, feeling hungry, might go and get a snack. SIXTEEN years later it's still going strong. The person who started the thread has long since departed. yet the thread gets updated numerous times every single day... The original post... Today's latest update... Its by far the most frequently updated thread on that forum, yet the person who started it hasn't been back to that forum since about 2008. It provides an essential service to the forum though, which has a very specific subject matter that defines it. It's a space where people can just talk utter sh1te, get to actually know each other, shoot the breeze and not be confined by the subject that defines the forum as a whole. I think that's an essential thing for any forum... a place where people can just dick about and be stupid without being offensive. That's what the Naughty Corner was meant to be. It's quite hard work keeping up with the posts in here, because I like to reply to every single post as much as I possibly can. So I spend a lot of time making sure every post gets acknowledged in some way, and I try very hard not to offend, cause disagreements or sound snarky - even though I do sometimes end up sounding snarky (Blackpaps always deserves it though. I have no regrets there ). It's quite hard to drop in every day (or ten times a day) and find a way to respond to posts in a way that feels good and decent but also worth posting. Darkspeed, who I admire very much, often comments on what a pile of utter drivel this is, and he's right. It absolutely is that, and I'm just a bit exhausted with it at the moment. He's also a fairly regular visitor so the joke's on him really, the daft old nugget. I'm a bit bored of my own sense of humour in this particular context. I just want to have a wander around everyone else's threads for a while, as opposed to feeling mildly embarrassed that I've just bumped my own really curse word progress thread for the 14th time before lunch in order to say nothing that is of any actual relevance or value to the community as a whole. I might polish a spark plug and that's all I do, but the nature of The Naughty Corner is that a simple spark plug polish then rolls out into weeks of daft banter. A good laugh for the 10 of us who drop in regularly (not Darkspeed though), but what about the 100s who drop in to RR every day and this cr4p is top of the list AGAIN. Maybe not so good for them. So I'm still hoping to carry on in RR. I want to see how the land lies once the club has appeared and has some tangible form that might influence or inspire a different kind of contribution, or a different structure to the main forum (who knows? anything could happen). Something is going on in my life at the moment that is a Shrödinger's cat situation for me. At some point soon I may or may not experience a fundamental change to my circumstances. It's impossible to call it either way. It sits absolutely on the fence between "going to happen" and "Not ever going to happen". But if it falls one way I'm almost definitely going to do something really stupid, something way outside of my abilities, and something which I will want to have a proper progress thread about. Equally that might not happen and I might move away from old cars completely. For now, I'm just resting this, and thinking about participating differently, and maybe less intensively for a while. There's really no need for any of this ridiculous fuss about it, you flouncing halfwits. Any more outpourings and Elton John is going to turn up with his stupid f**king face and his piano to capture to nation's mood in a recycled song. ============= THATS IT NOW. I'M NOT POSTING HERE AGAIN =============
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Jul 15, 2019 13:55:27 GMT
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Bye QM (in this form) and thanks for all the fish............................... screen fades to black.
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Needs a bigger hammer mate.......
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Frankenhealey
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This was the NAUGHTY CORNERFrankenhealey
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Jul 15, 2019 14:43:33 GMT
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The beautiful people stroll up the Drivers' Club red carpet and never even pause to notice they're walking past one of the most iconic cars ever built. I didn't do it. No one saw me do it. You can't prove anything. I had free tickets. She was my niece. The champagne and canapes made up for my lack of erudition. I am not beautiful. Mea culpa! What was the car again?
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Tales of the Volcano Lair hereFrankenBug - Vulcan Power hereThe Frankenhealey here
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