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Mar 13, 2017 22:43:13 GMT
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Quick question:- I have a power pack for emergency starting. The power pack, being a cheapo gift from my last company is broken with a capital F, having started approximately one vehicle, once in its life. This act obviously overtaxed the battery, and it died. I do not have a battery charger. Now, assuming that when you plug the pack in (or at least when you did) the 12V batteries inside were charged, what's to stop you cutting out the middle man, taking the batteries out of the pack and hooking the charger gubbins straight up to the vehicle battery to charge it? It's got fancy lights on the front that tell you when things are good (or when things used to be good) so I'd like to keep those, but not madly essential. This would give me no starter pack, which in effect I don't have anyway, but it may give me a charger, which I don't. Anyone see any issues? I thank you.
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Last Edit: Mar 16, 2017 0:08:34 GMT by georgeb
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colnerov
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Hi, The batteries in those battery packs are one of various gel types and need tightly controlled charging voltages otherwise...OMG...FIRE. The reason it probably packed up is because the charger turned its toes up. So I think you need to do an autopsy on the pack and check the voltage you're getting out of its charger, if any, and decide its suitability to charge a lead acid one. Hopefully someone with more knowledge will be along soon.
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Last Edit: Mar 14, 2017 0:16:03 GMT by colnerov
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The battery is lead-acid and has this written on it... Then I wondered... The kit is from the US so the packs little charger is 110v 60Hz input and 12v 500mA output. All well and good, but of course we're on (nominally) 220v so I'd bought an inverter which is 220V - 110V and 50W. I'm now wondering if all the changes we're putting the electrickey through is causing issues with the charging of the battery. I know it puts some charge in there which is enough to light the worklamp, but not enough to turn a motor over. It just strikes me that the battery says it wants more than 12V according to its label but that's what it's getting. I have a charger for another unit (locally bought cordless drill) that is 220V in and 15V out at 400mA which fits. You'll have to forgive me, anything less than 750V DC traction packages and I'm lost! What does the team think? Obviously, it's more useful to me as a starter pack, so if I can use it like that, it would be preferable. By the same token, I could live without an explosion!
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Last Edit: Mar 14, 2017 2:26:28 GMT by georgeb
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you probably need a much bigger capacity unit for an old v8. granted its not a big block but its much more demanding than a little econobox.
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are you getting any volts out at all? it may be a toasted thermal cutout switch or similar.
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you probably need a much bigger capacity unit for an old v8. granted its not a big block but its much more demanding than a little econobox. This was the only engine it ever started, so I know it will (or would). Mine only needs a flick to start up, no churning. are you getting any volts out at all? it may be a toasted thermal cutout switch or similar. Erm, here we have a problem. Meter is in back of Range Rover. Range Rover battery dead. Can't access back with dead battery! I've got the thing on charge now with the alternative charger to see if it'll take enough to hook up and operate the tailgate solenoid. It's currently sitting there with it's red, "I'm dead" light staring at me. If I can get it to amber, there may be half a chance.
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Last Edit: Mar 14, 2017 2:55:02 GMT by georgeb
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Stop Press!
Red, amber and green lights are all lit now. That's a first!
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fad
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Mar 14, 2017 20:31:03 GMT
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You likely just drained it to dead when you used it.
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fad
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Mar 14, 2017 20:32:20 GMT
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...and the isdue you would have using it as a charger would be the required grunt to juice up a larger battery. It may work, it may take an age to get there, or it may just flick the V and die.
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How about attaching a generator to an exercise bike, and employ a local to provide the needed charging, while you relax and bathe in the self satisfaction of providing employment to the needy. Ttfn Glenn
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fad
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Mar 15, 2017 15:03:09 GMT
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How about attaching a generator to an exercise bike, and employ a local to provide the needed charging, while you relax and bathe in the self satisfaction of providing employment to the needy. Ttfn Glenn This is my plan for when I take over the world. The unemployed who have never been in gainful employment or contributed to the pot in terms of tax and national insurance, who are otherwise deemed fit and able, will be given dynobikes and will have energy targets to meet in order to be paid their benefit entitlement. It will be a gradiated system, according to the age and medical condition of the applicant on a case by case basis, and there will be thresholds for the amount you receive (a base universal income which will be enough to buy a couple of Greggs pasties per day), then for anything above this you gotta get on your bike and pedal. Vitals will be monitored and your ID verified to prevent chancers making other people do it for them, and health will be monitored closely. Those who are not fit and able will be employed to administer the system. Those unable to do that will be assigned tea making duties. This will generate a small amount of power, but most importantly will improve the physical fitness of the nation, instill a sense of value in their work, lessen the burden on the NHS with the improved physical state of everyone, improve moods with endorphin release through exercise, and sets goals for people to reach in order to unlock more cash which will in turn help with the sense of value and worth. And the best thing is that they can still watch Jezza and Tipping Point while they pedal. Folk might think twice about spending their hard earned on fags and curse word booze when they think "That just cost me 4 hours on the bike..." then and that too will, in turn, lessen the NHS burden owed to the decrease in smokers and increase the energy yield owed to greater lung capacity now everyone stopped smoking. People will be issued with industrial strength MTFU pills (man the F up) when the lazy inevitably complain about the various injuries and ailments that have afflicted them as a result of the pedalling, and they will also be provided literature about natural selection, survival of the fittest, and reminded that they would have been weeded out already by disease or predators were the social care systems to which they are now contributing not in place... And as a back up, we will have a few packs of specially trained tigers here and there to prove the point for the more stubborn candidates. Once the system is up and running, a choice of apparatus could be offered including rowing machines, human sized hamster wheels, and for the adventurous, kegal exercise resistance machines. Vote Fall-Apart-Dave (or "FAD" for short)!
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Mar 15, 2017 15:55:46 GMT
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fad
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Mar 15, 2017 16:06:38 GMT
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I don't mind working to keep those who have fallen over a leg up. They will be exempt from the system for a length of time proportional to the time they contributed (note: time, not amount, of contribution) in order to get back into gainful employment. Note also, the goal is not to power the Country with slave labour, that would be unethical. This is simply a means of improving the fitness, mental state and welfare of the Nation. The people with un-testable ailments, if resistant to MTFU pills, will be given the tiger test. Essentially, if they manage to run away, there's clearly curse word all wrong with them. If they don't, well, maybe they were telling the truth or maybe not, we'll never know really. However, the tendency towards those ailments will have been removed from the gene pool, thus reducing the burden on the NHS further still. It will have also made administering the system a little cheaper, as we don't need to buy tiger food for a couple of days... And the tree huggers will be happy because there will be a vested interest in breeding tigers and preventing them from going extinct.
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Last Edit: Mar 15, 2017 16:08:26 GMT by fad
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Mar 15, 2017 23:59:46 GMT
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See, this is just another typical situation where the west tries to impose its expensive and impractical ideas on a poverty stricken Asia without thought or care. My concern here is the initial capital cost. As of last year, the population of the Philippines was over 102 million (that they know about - and don't forget, they breed like fruit flies) so, if we say 2 million actually do something productive, and that's debatable, then we'd need over 33 million dynobikes to operate a 3 shift system with no days off. Now, I've no idea of the unit costs but it strikes me that it would be more expensive than, say, half hundredweight of rice, thus putting the whole plan outside the financial resources of government. = ? There are probably many ex-politicians who could afford it, but of course, this is the reason the government couldn't! Another thing to consider is that there is that hardly anyone pays any tax anyway, so it's just as well there's no social security or health service to fund in the first place. Anyway, our President has the right idea. Just mow 'em down! A far more appropriate Asian response and cheap too, with the free bullets those lovely Chinese people are giving us. And while we're on the subject, my charger/starter has indeed flicked the V, so it's back to giving my little "How many batteries can we get on one charger" man a quid!
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Last Edit: Mar 16, 2017 0:09:59 GMT by georgeb
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fad
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Doesn't your President throw people out of helicopters when he doesn't like them?
Well anyway, obviously I was speaking for the UK. Were it the Philippines, I would suggest waiting until the President has killed all the drug dealers. To be honest though, political reform and sorting out the issues over there would be a momentous task, dynobikes should be a long way down your list of priorities. Perhaps a means-tested licencing system for reproduction, whereby the population is sterilised at birth and then if you pass a set of criteria you are then given permission to breed? The criteria could include the means to support offspring, proof that you are able to ensure, as far as possible, prosperity for your offspring, coupled with genetic testing to make sure that your children are of suitable quality (not eugenics though, that would be unethical). From there you have tight population control and once the Country has stabilised, you can implement a fair taxation regime (a flat rate tax would be fine here). Once that is set up, you keep your helicopter on standby for pushing people out of where required, and start to build a social care system. THEN you can buy your dynobikes. Tigers are not likely required for over there, you could probably get away with a few regular cats or something and tell everyone that they are trained aswang who will hunt down the weak, lame and lazy. You could have a small pack of them and name them kling-kling, wak-wak, bayot, sok-sok and tik-tik, just so that they really get the message.
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Last Edit: Mar 16, 2017 9:41:09 GMT by fad
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mattiwagon
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Mar 16, 2017 21:11:34 GMT
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Fad your plan sounds way to organised to be implemented by any known government!
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If they cant be nice f**k em!
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Mar 16, 2017 21:14:45 GMT
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Also sorry I cannot add anything to your battery booster charger idea George but thankyou for starting the thread none the less. Have a San Miguel on me( I will reimburse you as and when I see you)
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If they cant be nice f**k em!
84 low t25 panel 1.9td beige and rust combo 97 Goped Bigfoot G260RC with clutch conversion 97 Impreza turbo 2000 builders wagon 76k sold 04 Fabia vRs 50mpg pocket rocket 04 battered T5 pickup in blue! Chainsaws lotsa Chainsaws
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Mar 16, 2017 21:48:25 GMT
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Fad your plan sounds way to organised to be implemented by any known government! The Third Reich were pretty darn close though to be fair... So were the Romans.
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mattiwagon
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Mar 16, 2017 22:56:59 GMT
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Best leave it be then, I shall go open another bottle
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If they cant be nice f**k em!
84 low t25 panel 1.9td beige and rust combo 97 Goped Bigfoot G260RC with clutch conversion 97 Impreza turbo 2000 builders wagon 76k sold 04 Fabia vRs 50mpg pocket rocket 04 battered T5 pickup in blue! Chainsaws lotsa Chainsaws
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Mar 16, 2017 23:50:04 GMT
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But He only threw one person out and anyway, it probably wasn’t Him. Maybe. And even if He did, that was for corrupt officials and there ain’t a helicopter big enough for them! No, He’s a simple man and likes His retribution in .45 flavour although He has been known to use the new-fangled 9mm stuff too. Anyway, to the points raised. I’m glad it is understood that a “One size fits all” policy may not be appropriate in some circumstances and ignoring Hitler or Nero, let’s look a bit closer at the Philippine context. Let's imagine I am appointed, by our Glorious Leader (soon to be known as Chairman Rody - Master of All He Surveys), as Minister for Population Control and the first thing I need to do is get all the priests, nuns, journalists etc., thrown out (poor choice of words there) so they can’t harp on about stuff. Then I need something I can put in the water to prevent women getting pregnant. Luckily, my cousin happens to know a man who can supply, at a mere 150% mark-up, some magic formula made in China, obviously. This starts off at $200/tonne but by the time my cousin has taken his slice and I’ve covered my “expenses” it’s up at around $600. Then there’s distribution to the water sources. Fortunately I have another cousin who has a 1946 vintage ex-US army lorry who tells me he’ll do family rates of only $300/tonne delivered. Of course, there’ll be some additional operating expenses, which I’ll need to allow for, so let’s say $500/tonne. Now the stuff stands the government at $1,100/tonne and it can only afford two tonnes so it’s decided, after six years deliberation, to scale the country-wide programme back and do a preliminary trial. This is to take place on La Monja Island which was formerly thought to be uninhabited, but has been found to be the retirement home of Mr and Mrs Sanchez, late of Tondo. Six companies bid to undertake a comprehensive census and the contract is finally awarded, after four re-bids, three years and many brown envelopes, to my cousin's company. For a mere Peso7m, plus my commission, they send an intern out, who declares in a report that takes 12 months to write, that the population is two.This is therefore considered ideal, as any increase in the number will be quickly spotted at the next census. Ignoring the fact that Mrs Sanchez is 79 and her husband 83, the entire consignment is poured into the 50 gallon drum they use to collect rainwater for drinking. After 12 months another census is undertaken and eventually the project is declared a great success, since the population remains at two. It is noted however, that Mr Sanchez looks a bit peaky and it could soon be one. I, of course, receive a large bonus and retire to my beach mansion on Boracay. A sample is tested and found to be baby milk formula, with added lead. The programme sinks without trace and the population hits the 200 million mark. I've put a battery charger on my shopping list.
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Last Edit: Mar 17, 2017 0:12:14 GMT by georgeb
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