Is this retro?

[keithyboy]

Or is it just japcrap? Whether it is or isn't is largely academic because the deal is done. I just wondered if it counts.

anyone know any decent Nissan forums?

[Mike D]

I'll say NOT retro, still a good buy for daily duties though

Is it a GT?

[pantiesniffer]

v8mike said:

I'll say NOT retro, still a good buy for daily duties though

Is it a GT?

have to agree

[HoTWire]

Not yet,.. but I've been thinking that Primera will be full on Retro eventually... what with BTCC results under its belt..

Anyone know the spec of the BTCC cars??

[keithyboy]

v8mike said:

I'll say NOT retro, still a good buy for daily duties though

Is it a GT?

Yup!

[milfordcubicle]

I'm on nissanprimera.net, which is fine if a bit quiet.
The NPOC forum requires you to be a paying member for most bits, so fook that.
I think an early eZX or eGT is definitely worthy, and black bumper models are getting scarce.
I like Primeras, here's mine; RATLOOK etc. Will probably end up being lowered with some OE alloys and with another odd-coloured wing to replace the rusty passenger side one. It's only a 1.6i but it goes well enough being quite light for its size.

[penski]

I'm with HTW. These press all my Supertouring buttons.

Early Primeras, Lagunas et cetera for immenent retro win.

*n

[Robinxr4i]

Not retro (yet) not a bad car sure it will come of age and be cool. Plus the GT are pretty quick remember being d!cked by one in my old XR3i

SR20DET anyone?

[BenzBoy]

I have much love for any kind of old minicab fodder, so these will have a place in my heart in the near future for sure. The Nissan Bluebird is already there!
Still too many knocking around for me to look and go "WOW OMFG a PRIMERA!!!11!1!" but it won't be long.
Plus like HW says, BTCC heritage means extra coolness points.

[reanimation]

Blimey didnt realise they were that old. Oh how time catches up Controversially i'll say not retro, but it has potential... specially if it'll kill XR3's

[Fuzzy]

Mk1 Primeras are getting there, and the GTs (like that red one) are really rather quick. My dad's old company car was a toss up between aa GT and a Civic VTi, the VTi won in the end but I would've been happy with either.

[jiminwatford]

Not curse word, shame they didn't boost the power when going from P10 to P11 though as it's heavier.

I got this one for 300. Long gear, high revving, extremely capable fast road weapon

[jiminwatford]

and there's
www.nissanforum.com/
www.npoc.co.uk/
www.nissanprimera.net/
primeracarclub.co.nz/
www.g20.net

[jiminwatford]

admin said:

Anyone know the spec of the BTCC cars??

Well...

NISSAN PRIMERA MARK 3 SUPER TOURING CAR

BUILT BY RAY MALLOCK ENGINEERING

YEAR OF MANUFACTURE: 1999; UPDATED TO THE FULL 2000 SPECIFICATION BY NISSAN MOTORSPORT EUROPE


TECHNICAL SPECIFICATION

Category: FIA Super Touring Car.
Base Model: Nissan Primera Mark 3 GT – Chassis Number 56
Body style: 2000 specification 4 - door saloon. Steel body shell with computer - optimised welded roll cage for torsion rigidity and driver safety. 60 litre under floor safety fuel tank. New 2000 aerodynamic front splitter and rear wing.
Engine: Nissan SR20DE unit modified for racing. 1998cc, 16 valve, dual overhead camshaft, 4 - cylinder unit, transverse mounted. Aluminium block and head, forged pistons and lightweight con-rods. Dry sump lubrication. Rev limit 8,500 rpm (as per BTCC / ETCC regulations)
Max Power: 320+ BHP at 8,300 rpm.
Max Torque: 27 + kg / m (200+ Ib / ft)
Transmission: Front wheel drive with Nissan / X -trac 6 speed sequential gearbox. Straight cut, non-synchromesh gears with choice of ratios.
Clutch: 3 - plate 5.5-diameter carbon clutch
Cooling: Engine water radiator - front mounted with side - exit ducting, Engine oil radiator.
Suspension: Front: Nissan multi-link wishbones and tubular steel anti-roll bar.
Rear: Beam Axle with tubular steel anti-roll bar.
Steering: Nissan / TRW high ratio rack and pinion. HPI power assistance - 1.25 turns lock - to lock.
Wheels and tyres: Racing 19’’ diameter, 8.2 wide wheels with Michelin racing tyres.
Brakes: Hydraulically assisted dual circuit system. Front: Vented 378mm diameter discs. Rear: Solid 280mm diameter disks.

And apparently...

as for how they got that much power, the trick was that they had a custom made intake and exhaust manifolds made and then flipped the head of the engine. The intake would start right behind the grill. They also tilted the engine forward about 10-15*. This way the flow of the air would be almost a straight line from intake to exhaust tip. Then of course the did the normal engine stuff: polish/port, cams, lightweight connecting rods, upgraded valvetrain and valves, and an engine balance. After all that, you get one kick ass 300hp engine.

I personally still have some questions about how they got the engine to work with the head flipped as the timing chain and belts wouldn't work. The only way I see it working is by just flipping the whole engine around. One other thing to mention, they don't have alternators in those cars. they run straight from the battery.

from www.g20.net

[Mike D]

Bargain

[BenzBoy]

as for how they got that much power, the trick was that they had a custom made intake and exhaust manifolds made and then flipped the head of the engine. The intake would start right behind the grill. <snip>
I personally still have some questions about how they got the engine to work with the head flipped as the timing chain and belts wouldn't work. The only way I see it working is by just flipping the whole engine around. One other thing to mention, they don't have alternators in those cars. they run straight from the battery.

I'm thinking that they didn't reverse the head by turning it around, but reversed the ports so that the intake becomes the exhaust and vice versa. A re-profiled cam would sort the rest out, or switch over the inlet / exhaust cams.

[keithyboy]

Reversed heads were all the rage in BTCC back in the day. I seem to recall that the Cavaliers also ran a reversed head. I remember reading a fascinating article in CCC about Swindon Race engines who built them but I can't remember the details. All I can recall is the the supertouring rules allowed the builders to do more or less whatever they wanted. CCC once featured a normally aspirated 2.0 cosworth powered FWD Mondeo that was legal under the regs.

[nisfan]

Love these , its the BTCC that got me hooked starting off with Matt Neals winning at donny as an independant. Aready had three ,First was a p10 sri saloon with 156bhp, next P11 GT(swapped for s13) only photo i could find,

and finally daily hack 125k 1.6lx for £150 (now dead )

[milfordcubicle]

I thought SRis came with the boggo 2-litre engine worth 120-ish bhp or was yours tuned/fitted with an eGT engine?
£150, bargain! Mine was £140.
Still not keen on those alloys like.

[Harold Ramp Bumface Fandango]

www.hakx.co.uk/purep10/forum/default.asp


or


www.nissanprimera.net/forum/default.asp


Wouldn't say it was Retro yet but a bloody good car all the same.