Candy concentrates in the UK?

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Where's the best place in the UK to buy candy concentrates (inks or powders) who will also sell samples at sensible prices to mix up enough to shoot test cards?

Had a punt on some from EBay (powder) to shoot test cards, mixed as per directions (5g powder to 100ml thinners to make ink, then 1ml ink to 10ml clear). Made up two different inks, tangerine and red apple.

Sprayed over a light metallic silver base (aluminium colour, can't remember the shade)

The results are pants. Flat, no vibrance. Hit 5 coats, after coat 2 I upped the amount of ink in the clear because coverage was poor and colour was washed out.

The tangerine just looks like a glossy orange. Red apple is pink, and again no vibrance.

Put it down to rubbish candy powder. So what concentrates for use in 2k clear do folk recommend?

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I must have been hiding in a sound proof dark room for the last 40 years has I have never heard of this effect being done this way - i.e. adding a colour effect to a lacquer / clear coat - conventionally done by applying basecoats to gain the colour effect then a lacquer / clear coat to achieve the gloss / satin / matt finish - Don't get me wrong I have seen lacquers / clear coats doctored before today but never with good results - the go to for custom paint in the UK is 'House of Kolor' www.house-of-kolor.co.uk/ but you are probably aware of that already

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Nov 12, 2017 7:14:05 GMT @grumpynorthener said:

I must have been hiding in a sound proof dark room for the last 40 years has I have never heard of this effect being done this way - i.e. adding a colour effect to a lacquer / clear coat - conventionally done by applying basecoats to gain the colour effect then a lacquer / clear coat to achieve the gloss / satin / matt finish - Don't get me wrong I have seen lacquers / clear coats doctored before today but never with good results - the go to for custom paint in the UK is 'House of Kolor' www.house-of-kolor.co.uk/ but you are probably aware of that already

I am indeed aware. You must've been hiding in a box lol candy in clear is commonplace!

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Always put candy in the base coat....don't know where I have been hiding, Evidently not in the clear coat🙄😂😂

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Nov 12, 2017 19:38:44 GMT @johnnybravo said:

Always put candy in the base coat....don't know where I have been hiding, Evidently not in the clear coat🙄😂😂

I'm watching tons of how-to vids where its put in the clearcoat... Hmm...

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As above, I've never put candy in the clear. I've always applied the undercoat as a base, shot the candy and then the clear. Surely if you're putting the candy in the clear, you`ll not get the desired shiny/deep effect?

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There are about four different types of Candy paint systems. The most forgiving one has the candy already in the basecoat. You do get one with the candy in the clearcoat,but best left alone for those in the know,as it's very easy to get it streaky and uneven...
Main problem with all of them ,to varying degrees,is that it isn't UV stable and starts to look Carp in a couple of years as it fades...

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I'd imagine with candy in the clear when it comes around to wet sanding/polishing you'll end up taking away some of the desired colour?

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Nov 12, 2017 7:53:37 GMT fad said:

Nov 12, 2017 7:14:05 GMT @grumpynorthener said:

I must have been hiding in a sound proof dark room for the last 40 years has I have never heard of this effect being done this way - i.e. adding a colour effect to a lacquer / clear coat - conventionally done by applying basecoats to gain the colour effect then a lacquer / clear coat to achieve the gloss / satin / matt finish - Don't get me wrong I have seen lacquers / clear coats doctored before today but never with good results - the go to for custom paint in the UK is 'House of Kolor' www.house-of-kolor.co.uk/ but you are probably aware of that already

I am indeed aware. You must've been hiding in a box lol candy in clear is commonplace!

Maybe commonplace but I think it's more of a shortcut than a proven method so I will stay in the soundproof darkened room and stick to my old school route to achieve the results - never had a problem doing it this way - Slower: yes - Bit more expensive: yes - Takes more time & effort: yes - Ever had a complaint or a comeback: NO - Ever had to redo the job again: NO

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Hmm. The effect I am trying to replicate wouldn't work any other way (following guides from other painters). Anyway thought you said you'd never heard of it done with candy in the clear? ;-)

So the normal way is what? Metallic base with candy in there?

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Nov 13, 2017 8:53:43 GMT fad said:

Hmm. The effect I am trying to replicate wouldn't work any other way (following guides from other painters). Anyway thought you said you'd never heard of it done with candy in the clear? ;-)

So the normal way is what? Metallic base with candy in there?

Never heard of the colour / candy being added to the lacquer is correct until you said that you were giving it a go - read up on it since and remain unconvinced that it would work for me and the type of work I undertake for my clients - not knocking what you are trying / attempting to achieve at all - Like most guys that have been at the coal face of the refinishing / restoration trade for a long period we have heard no end of horror stories where products have been doctored / methods shortcut to obtain a desired effect and occasionally it works but for a majority of the attempts it ends in abysmal failure.

That's not to state that most timeserved / old school hard method guys are intolerant to change either some of the advances in chemicals / refinishing products and the way that technology has advanced the tools equipment is a proper breath of fresh air and for several years my best paint finish is achieved by utilising a combination of old methods & products along with new technology / new products - but I must have two reps a week come knocking on my door trying to sell me the latest wonder product that self applies / self heals and produces a toffee apple gloss finish at the first hiss of the spray gun when in reality it's so bad I wouldn't paint a wheelbarrow with it.

But in response to your question the route would normally be a solid or metallic basecoat with candy applied over it and a lacquer over the top of the candy to achieve the right results.

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Might be worth a punt asking these guys

www.hmgpaint.com/

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Nov 13, 2017 9:25:16 GMT @grumpynorthener said:

Nov 13, 2017 8:53:43 GMT fad said:

Hmm. The effect I am trying to replicate wouldn't work any other way (following guides from other painters). Anyway thought you said you'd never heard of it done with candy in the clear? ;-)

So the normal way is what? Metallic base with candy in there?

Never heard of the colour / candy being added to the lacquer is correct until you said that you were giving it a go - read up on it since and remain unconvinced that it would work for me and the type of work I undertake for my clients - not knocking what you are trying / attempting to achieve at all - Like most guys that have been at the coal face of the refinishing / restoration trade for a long period we have heard no end of horror stories where products have been doctored / methods shortcut to obtain a desired effect and occasionally it works but for a majority of the attempts it ends in abysmal failure.

That's not to state that most timeserved / old school hard method guys are intolerant to change either some of the advances in chemicals / refinishing products and the way that technology has advanced the tools equipment is a proper breath of fresh air and for several years my best paint finish is achieved by utilising a combination of old methods & products along with new technology / new products - but I must have two reps a week come knocking on my door trying to sell me the latest wonder product that self applies / self heals and produces a toffee apple gloss finish at the first hiss of the spray gun when in reality it's so bad I wouldn't paint a wheelbarrow with it.

But in response to your question the route would normally be a solid or metallic basecoat with candy applied over it and a lacquer over the top of the candy to achieve the right results.

Will respond properly later. Just wanted to say & make sure no sticks have been grabbed by the wrong end, not having a pop nor am I feeling like you are. Too easy for things to get misunderstood. Very much appreciate advice from all on this thread, thanks guys! (Proper reply soon)

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So most candies I find are inks or powders, or premixed into clear. So how do you use these?