Laters
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Jan 22, 2018 20:59:41 GMT
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Late last year saw my shed/workshop and garage flooded with 3 foot of contaminated water. It has never flooded before in the last 50 years I have lived here. Needless to say it didn't do the frames of the building much good and both the shed and garage are due for renewal. The garage was in good condition before the flood but due to its construction (wood frame with concrete/fibre sheets) its got to come down. Easiest option seems to get a prefab concrete garage put up that's as near to the same size as possible. www.lidget.co.uk/They offer 3 roof types. The apex roof which is like the current garage roof but it does possibly cause a issue needing gutters on both sides when there is only a drain available on one side. The pent roof which is their version of a standard flat roof. The mansard which is still a flat roof but with more elevation toward the front of the garage with about a extra 12 inches of headroom toward the front. The pent and the mansard don't cause any issues with their gutters as they both drain on one side only where drainage is. I have never really had a flat roofed garage before and as far as looks go my other half prefers the look of the mansard style roof. The garage is going to be 5 inches narrower than the current garage at 9 foot 6 wide and it will be 20 foot long wiith a up and over door (again a first for me). The options other than the roof type are windows and possibly a side door. I am thinking of a window in the rear and a window in the side plus a side door to make entry easier so I don't have to lift the main door all the time. The shed/workshop was used by myself for storage and as a workshop with the garage being used for storage/workshop and for storing a car if needed. Since the flooding and new builds my wife has proposed the garage be my workshop etc and the shed is going to be used to store the garden tools/mower etc leaving the garage free for my stuff and a bench at the back for the pillar drill, bench grinder and the vice. Anyone any ideas as I want to spec the garage right as I doubt I will be replacing it again any time soon. thanks
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Last Edit: Jan 24, 2018 17:37:36 GMT by Laters: spelling
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Garage Queen, 1987 Quantum Saloon
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Jan 22, 2018 21:26:43 GMT
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I'd strongly discourage anyone from ever having a flat roof on anything they're building as they will fail much quicker than any form of pitched roof.
The fact that they're not publishing prices online suggests to me that they're probably fairly expensive, perhaps that's not an issue for you but it could be that having a competent builder / brickie in to scratch build a garage out of breezeblock could be cheaper?
If cost is a consideration you'll usually find concrete prefabricated garages on sites like Gumtree 'Free if removed' (although they're often the type with a flat roof). And, check out the sectional garages on ebay to compare prices with the lidget catalogue.
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Laters
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Jan 22, 2018 21:37:57 GMT
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Thanks for your reply. The cost of a brick/block built garage is quite a bit more than the prefab garage. (the quote we got was nearly double) A used garage is also not possible due to the garage and shed being part funded due to the water damage.
Comparing the prices we have been quoted by the local installer their prices are within reason of the ebay/internet installed prices.
Ive never had a flat roofed building at all so never had any issues with them but know we will have to get a drain installed for the downpipe from the gutter on the neighbours side as the current garage has no gutters & the installer doesn't want a downpipe not going it the direction of a drain. That's the reason we were considering the flat type roofs.
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Garage Queen, 1987 Quantum Saloon
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Jan 22, 2018 21:48:17 GMT
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I know it’s not quite what you asked, but I would never have another concrete garage, I’d go wood everytime. The condensation in concrete is terrible.
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Jan 22, 2018 22:19:01 GMT
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I agree with rattlecan. I have a concrete sectional garage it's terrible always two coats colder in there as well.
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Jan 22, 2018 22:37:11 GMT
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Steer well clear of a concrete garage, as said before they condensate like mad.
I think I would be looking at a steel frame, then build the rest in wood. And always go for a pitched roof.
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Jan 22, 2018 22:49:39 GMT
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Laters
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Thanks for the replies. Its looking like the prefab concrete is a no go then as the old garage was always dry and warm. Ive never had anything to do with a prefab garage as the old garage did the job perfectly so never even thought about changing it till the water damage happened.
Just had a look at the wooden garage options and not only are they cheaper but also come with the same guarantee as the concrete garages. Something else to add to the list. thanks again.
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Jan 23, 2018 10:52:12 GMT
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I think I'd go timber also as condensation will wreck both your tools and car. I'd also go for a pitch roof as you have all the extra storage for "stuff" as well. Ok your not go to put any thing to heavy/ large in the eaves but you'll get some stuff off the floor and out of corners. With the drain you could run you gutter ware across the back of the garage into the one down pipe.
There is the downside of extra maintenance with the timber, but that's not such an issue- a coat of preservative once a year
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Jan 23, 2018 12:36:25 GMT
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I put up a 12ft x 20ft sectional garage and fitted a "black tarpaper" corrugated roof. The thicker roof helped condensation but it still dripped - I think the only way to prevent it is to insulate the roof. The gaps between the concrete panels helped ventilation so I didn't seal them, worked fine but makes it impossible to heat. The roof was "sloped flat", the door end was about 6 inches higher than the other end, a very slight slope but plenty to let the water run off. An 8 inch wide soffit around the roof hid the slope. A simple gutter at the back sorted drainage. Security thoughts - concrete is "safe", a neighbour had a hole cut in his back fence and through the back wall of his wooden shed ! other ideas & info forum.retro-rides.org/thread/189690/first-house-garage-cave-build?page=5&scrollTo=2381209
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taurus
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Jan 23, 2018 13:41:16 GMT
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I had a concrete garage with a flat roof once. Never ever again. Everything was constantly wet with condensation and the roof always dripped. I couldn't leave anything in it and working was horrible.
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Jan 23, 2018 13:52:25 GMT
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I’ve a Lidget Compton concrete garage big enough for 4 cars. My last house I had a 2 car Lidget Compton garage built. Have had no problem with condensation or damp in either garage, they vent just underneath the roof at the rear and keeps everything nice and dry. It’s not the warmest but get working on the car and you soon warm up anyway. My friends car stored in the garage has bare metal patches he rubbed down over a month ago and there are no signs of rust on these at all, even with the inclement weather we’ve had.
I think a lot of damp problems are caused by proximity to other buildings/fences trapping water and overhanging trees, etc. Luckily I have plenty of space so don’t suffer any of these problems.
Preparation of the base is very important too, I’d recommend finding a trusted builder or doing it yourself rather than using the garage builder recommendations as they don’t often do the best jobs.
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Jan 23, 2018 14:22:03 GMT
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I would point out that there are several good reasons you don't often see wooden garages, someone has already mentioned maintenance & security above. The fact that wood is flammable is the reason why us sensible Brits now build our houses out of brick and slate instead of sticks and straw, (or upvc for that matter), the garage is slightly different to the house inasmuch as it's already full of lots of tins of highly flammable stuff and car(s) full of combustible stuff! Fire in wooden garage = new garage. Fire in concrete garage = new roof & door.
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Last Edit: Jan 23, 2018 14:29:15 GMT by MkX
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dubwarrior2
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Jan 23, 2018 14:25:05 GMT
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Ive got a horrible pre-fab concrete garage with a corrugated 'asbestos' roof and an up and over metal door. Ive never had any condensation issues. Msybe because I have plenty of ventilation gaps between the walls and ceiling. I even have my tumble dryer in there.
Mu plan is to knock it down and build one from breeze blocks with a sloping flat roof
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Jan 23, 2018 17:08:58 GMT
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I would point out that there are several good reasons you don't often see wooden garages, someone has already mentioned maintenance & security above. The fact that wood is flammable is the reason why us sensible Brits now build our houses out of brick and slate instead of sticks and straw, (or upvc for that matter), the garage is slightly different to the house inasmuch as it's already full of lots of tins of highly flammable stuff and car(s) full of combustible stuff! Fire in wooden garage = new garage. Fire in concrete garage = new roof & door. Let’s get real here, if your garage goes up in flames, whatever is in it probably out weighs the cost of the garage by a hundred fold. The last of your worries would be the garage itself. Also if you have ever seen a decent fire in a concrete garage, believe me the garage is also fooked
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Jan 23, 2018 17:27:34 GMT
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I would point out that there are several good reasons you don't often see wooden garages, someone has already mentioned maintenance & security above. The fact that wood is flammable is the reason why us sensible Brits now build our houses out of brick and slate instead of sticks and straw, (or upvc for that matter), the garage is slightly different to the house inasmuch as it's already full of lots of tins of highly flammable stuff and car(s) full of combustible stuff! Fire in wooden garage = new garage. Fire in concrete garage = new roof & door. Let’s get real here, if your garage goes up in flames, whatever is in it probably out weighs the cost of the garage by a hundred fold. The last of your worries would be the garage itself. Also if you have ever seen a decent fire in a concrete garage, believe me the garage is also fooked I fear you're missing the point, wood will help a small fire take hold quickly and spread unmanageably whereas it might be self-contained / manageable in a garage constructed from materials which aren't flammable.
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Jan 23, 2018 17:33:48 GMT
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Let’s get real here, if your garage goes up in flames, whatever is in it probably out weighs the cost of the garage by a hundred fold. The last of your worries would be the garage itself. Also if you have ever seen a decent fire in a concrete garage, believe me the garage is also fooked I fear you're missing the point, wood will help a small fire take hold quickly and spread unmanageably whereas it might be self-contained / manageable in a garage constructed from materials which aren't flammable. Of course & I take your point, but I fear you maybe missing the point & that point is most garages are full of highly flammable products, cars/bikes full of petrol, aerosols, solvents etc etc, again the material the garage is made of, least of your worries
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Laters
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Jan 23, 2018 18:24:29 GMT
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Thanks for the suggestions and ideas. Must admit after looking at all the options none are ideal. So now its choosing the option that balances the cost/usability of the building/timeframe of build.
Security/looks/access for maintenance is a issue with one side wall being on the Boundaries between my property and the neighbours driveway and the back of the garage is hard up against another neighbours fence.
Doesn't help the house next door is currently empty and for sale so its a unknown as to who will buy it.
Going to have a look at a few of the options in the morning and got a builder coming round at lunch time to give us a price for a block build.
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Garage Queen, 1987 Quantum Saloon
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Jan 23, 2018 18:50:39 GMT
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I think the best option is always going to be a block construction with insulated cavity wall and a proper tile/slate roof also insulted. This is what I have done. It is more expensive but all the other cheaper options in my eyes are temporary buildings.
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Last Edit: Jan 23, 2018 18:57:12 GMT by jonsey
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brachunky
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Jan 23, 2018 18:51:18 GMT
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Last Edit: Jan 23, 2018 19:03:15 GMT by brachunky
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