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Jan 23, 2018 18:53:24 GMT
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Thanks for the suggestions and ideas. Must admit after looking at all the options none are ideal. So now its choosing the option that balances the cost/usability of the building/timeframe of build. Security/looks/access for maintenance is a issue with one side wall being on the Boundaries between my property and the neighbours driveway and the back of the garage is hard up against another neighbours fence. Doesn't help the house next door is currently empty and for sale so its a unknown as to who will buy it. Going to have a look at a few of the options in the morning and got a builder coming round at lunch time to give us a price for a block build. I don't know if the price of the Lidget garage includes prep and erection, I'd suspect not - probably only delivery. If so there will be additional costs, probably extending existing concrete base / footings, etc. With a pre-fab you're buying an existing product and so having to compromise, with a purpose built garage you get what you want, no compromise.
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Jan 23, 2018 19:10:02 GMT
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I've got a Lidget garage. It's got some sort of coating on the roof, that stops condensation, I've also paneled it out inside, & it's now dry enough to leave a bare sheet of steel in there without it going rusty.
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Jan 23, 2018 19:17:21 GMT
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Laters
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Jan 23, 2018 19:17:46 GMT
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The Lidget price I have is fully installed.
The builders I have approached so far are able to match the existing building size exactly but at a cost of just under double the cost of the Lidget quote. None of the prices include removal of the old garage which is a separate cost.
The compromises of the prefab garage is its 9foot 6 wide instead of 10 foot width like the current garage. The length is within a inch or so nothing in the length. I must admit I am not 100% happy with everything having to be free standing and not wall mounted like is currently if we went the prefab route. (the panels warranty is voided if its drilled) Suppose I could knock some brackets up that hang on the bolts if push came to shove.
My wife has spoken to the Lidget dealer with the concerns that have been raised over the damp, condensation and cold. He suggested we go and have a look at their demo garages to see what we think.
I suggested a steel garage to my wife at the start of this and she isn't keen at all. Saying that I also suggested just getting a 20foot container instead of the garage :-)
Hopefully the builder who is coming tomorrow will give a better quote that's not double the quote the local Lidget dealer gave us late last year.
Hopefully it can all be decided as we have a date for the removal of the old garage already that is being done by a separate company. So when its removed the rebuild can start sooner rather than later.
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Last Edit: Jan 23, 2018 19:20:38 GMT by Laters
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brachunky
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Jan 23, 2018 19:43:17 GMT
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Mine was made in Poland and is galvanised. Company called Secure Sheds did the installation & were very professional.
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GJUK
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Jan 23, 2018 20:16:50 GMT
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I guess you're right most of the time. But I'd have to have a 3 or 4 of my cars to be the same value of the garage I just built.
OP - look at steel buildings, if you have the budget get an insulated one. You can get a tight 3 car garage for ~ £10k.
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Jan 23, 2018 21:37:03 GMT
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Prices of the Lidget’s include everything except the base usually. Of course whoever you buy it from will usually have a builder that can do the base (I opted for a different builder for my current garage base, my first garage I did the base myself).
You can mount to the walls of the Lidget’s, they have pre-drilled holes that you can affix batons to and then attach shelves, etc, to them.
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Jan 23, 2018 21:37:53 GMT
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Oh and you can usually haggle for about 70% off the brochure price which is handy.
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Jan 23, 2018 22:23:35 GMT
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I've been involved in a few take-down / rebuild projects For info I dismantled the concrete workshop below in 2 short days (ie a full days work) myself using an angle grinder and an SDS drill / chisel. A mate helped load the pieces into the hired skip. We left the concrete base as it was needed for the new project. This was a steel roof, 3x sectional concrete walls + 1 breezeblock wall with sliding doors. Roof and doors came out on day 1, walls came down on day2. It's hard physical work but not complicated if you're sensible, it might save you some cash (the large skip cost us £240 for the week) forum.retro-rides.org/thread/192268/sectional-concrete-mancave-garage-north
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Jan 24, 2018 13:33:45 GMT
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That looks fun to park in! Goodbye rear axle!
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Laters
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Jan 24, 2018 15:23:02 GMT
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The old garage is being removed by a asbestos specialist as the roof is asbestos & the sides are to be treated as asbestos even though its probably not as per the local rules. The removal of the old building is not being paid for by ourselves due to the cause of the flood so I am not too concerned about the cost of removal.
Been to look at the Lidget garages this morning. I am not 100% sure what I was expecting but if we go with a prefab the pent roof type is a no go simply because there is limited headroom and it felt so small. The ones with the peaked roof seemed a lot better in that respect. There didn't seem to be any condensation or damp issues but I did notice all had some airflow/ventilation where the roof meets the walls.
We also looked at a steel garage (uninsulated type at a guess) but my wife isn't keen at all on the way the look.
The builder turned up as promised. His price was less than the other builders but still a huge amount more than the prefab garage. He did try to get his price as low as possible but he cant come anywhere close to a price that is acceptable for the garage.
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brachunky
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Jan 24, 2018 16:54:29 GMT
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That looks fun to park in! Goodbye rear axle! Lol! Job for summer mate so have my trike project in there for now and even if the ramp was finished, the Lexus is too bleedin long to get in
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Jan 24, 2018 19:44:29 GMT
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I have had a concrete garage, with the original slightly sloping flat corrugated concrete sheet roof it suffered with condensation which even etched into the paint of the car and also leaked at the joints. I replaced the concrete sheets with a pitched roof made of board covered with felt shingles and it has been fine ever since, I've never had a problem with damp on the walls though.
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GJUK
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Jan 25, 2018 23:58:19 GMT
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Okay. Reconsider steel buildings. I just had this built, it's an industrial building and was custom made by a company I'd recommend. Try try try again with the image I'm expecting yours will be much smaller but they still would work with you towards a good result - not cowboys (half the battle). You can go insulated or not - Tata steel can make the cladding, its comes with a 30-40 year warranty. Better than wood, more insulation, no painting and longer lasting.
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Last Edit: Jan 26, 2018 0:01:31 GMT by GJUK
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Okay. Reconsider steel buildings. I just had this built, it's an industrial building and was custom made by a company I'd recommend. Try try try again with the image I'm expecting yours will be much smaller but they still would work with you towards a good result - not cowboys (half the battle). You can go insulated or not - Tata steel can make the cladding, its comes with a 30-40 year warranty. Better than wood, more insulation, no painting and longer lasting. That looks lovely, very nice
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That extra 6" in width will be a huge consideration with a car in there. It's the difference between it being usable space and a total pain in the . I'd make sure to go for the max width possible.
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Jan 26, 2018 14:55:18 GMT
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If this works, here are a couple of pics of my garage just after it was built...
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Laters
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Sept 28, 2019 19:40:47 GMT
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As a bit of a follow up post about the garage. Its been up for well over a year now & I thought I would add my findings to the end of this thread so if anyone does a search its not left dangling.
The garage we went with is the lidget Compton but went with the pent mansard roof. Size wise as much as I wanted to go larger it just wasn't possible due to finances & other issues.
Overall inside it is now 5 or 6 inches narrower than the old wooden framed garage but a little longer.
It would have been nice to get it another foot or two wider but the extra costings needed for the extra width it just wasn't possible. The garage is 100% better than the wood garage it replaced.
There were a few issues after it had been built but in fairness to lidget Compton they did resolve all the issues even though it took a couple of visits and a extra roof truss to stop the roof panels sagging where the roof truss spacing was messed up at install.
So far zero issues with condensation & moisture. It can be a little cold when its cold outside but my small heater soon resolves that.
The lighting was done with LED strips on every roof truss and smaller led strips mounted low down on the wall. The lighting is well over the top & the low down mounted strips make it so much brighter when a car is in the garage. The inside of the panels were all painted white (lets see how long that stays white) with the floor being done grey. That helps make it look bigger and brighter than the old garage ever could.
I did end up putting a better door seal on the bottom of the main door as there was quite a gap at the bottom. I've ended up putting several locks/bolts on both the main door and the side door to improve security plus its now wired into the home alarm system properly unlike the old garage that just had a internal pir sensor.
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