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Mar 21, 2018 17:55:30 GMT
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Mar 21, 2018 21:49:27 GMT
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ST24 or ST200 are the only ones i would go for - the RSAP makes them look good, the standard MK2 looks really awkward imo
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MK4 Ford Escort XR3i - Standard MK6 Ford Escort GTi - Track Car
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Mar 21, 2018 22:46:05 GMT
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MOT history does not say it's never failed a test, it failed in 2007 albeit on tyre issues. It's had lots of clean passes since and, most importantly, no fails or advisories on underbody corrosion. It is low mileage. It is manual, has leather, etc. It's not expensive for what it is but it would be good to get it a bit cheaper if you can, try the 'make an offer' feature. Factor in the cost of getting it trailered back to your neck of the woods. Don't buy it unless it's right, listen to the car, drive it around the yard if you can, check service history, etc. try to assure yourself they're not hiding something expensive. It's a gamble like all used cars, it's a Ford so it's not as well engineered as most but that means you get it cheaper and it's cheaper to fix. If this is what floats your boat, go for it - life's too short! With a full MOT, all niggles ironed out and valeted within an inch of its life I think this should be a £1½K-£2K car.
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Mar 22, 2018 18:45:20 GMT
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I think I missed the fail of 2007!
Looking through rose tinted specs
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Mar 22, 2018 21:55:05 GMT
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I think I missed the fail of 2007! Looking through rose tinted specs If it was perfect it wouldn't be a £350.00* car! *(probably what he'd take).
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We've have two V6 Mondeos: -2004 2.5 V6 Ghia X Auto 5 Speed -2005 3.0 V6 Ghia X Manual 6 Speed Both were superb cars. The first one was a bit of a lemon thanks to iffy previous mechanics, but the second was as good as gold. We covered some big numbers in them too. The Auto went from 114k to 281k, while the 3.0 went from 112k to 262k. The latter was a car I really wanted to keep; I was about to drop £700-1k on suspension parts until somebody rear ended it. It was a great car. Both were also infinitely more reliable than the Passat B6 1.9 TDI that replaced the auto. That Passat to this day is the worst car I have ever owned. Once sorted the drive of it was fine, but they have so many problems it is an absolute joke. And people moan about Ford build quality? It's no worse than the rest, and in quite a few instances, not bad at all .
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Mar 23, 2018 11:43:13 GMT
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We've have two V6 Mondeos: -2004 2.5 V6 Ghia X Auto 5 Speed -2005 3.0 V6 Ghia X Manual 6 Speed Both were superb cars. The first one was a bit of a lemon thanks to iffy previous mechanics, but the second was as good as gold. We covered some big numbers in them too. The Auto went from 114k to 281k, while the 3.0 went from 112k to 262k. The latter was a car I really wanted to keep; I was about to drop £700-1k on suspension parts until somebody rear ended it. It was a great car. Both were also infinitely more reliable than the Passat B6 1.9 TDI that replaced the auto. That Passat to this day is the worst car I have ever owned. Once sorted the drive of it was fine, but they have so many problems it is an absolute joke. And people moan about Ford build quality? It's no worse than the rest, and in quite a few instances, not bad at all . I appreciate some people have good experiences, if every Ford customer had a bad 'un there'd be no repeat trade. An acquaintance owned a slightly earlier diesel Mondeo, all the injection system needed replacing at a cost of £2K before the car had clocked up 120K miles. I have sooo many anecdotes about Ford problems I don't want to bore you. A mate of mine, a Mechanic & MOT tester loved them. He'd never own one, he just benefited from Ford's disproportionately high fail rate which paid for his fortnight in the Caribbean every year, (most of the lads who worked in his garage ran around in old Micras). Mid 1990's a mate of mine was looking for a used run-around, he needed it to be reliable and to last a few years. He'd already ignored my advice not to buy a FIAT and had experienced non-stop problems with a rapidly disintegrating Uno. He was now favouring Ford, I was determined to nudge him in another direction. We had to go on a return trip from Llantrisant to Manchester, I told him to pay attention to the cars broken down at the roadside, specifically make. On this 400 mile round trip we came across 17 cars broken down, only 2 of them weren't Ford! Ford certainly didn't have an 88% market share or anywhere near that. I think as far as longevity and reliability is concerned, Fords built in the 80's were a particular low point when contrasted with German and Japanese imports. Mid 90's my neighbour bought a new Fiesta, the central locking didn't work properly, after about 30 attempts Ford couldn't rectify the problem and gave him another car. That said, around the same time another neighbour who'd had non-stop problems with his Civic, (usually lauded for being very well engineered and ultra-reliable), bought a shonky old Fiesta. He drove it for years, spent next to nothing on it and it never let him down.
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Absolutely MkX. I'd be willing to bet all of the issues were on MkIII Mondeo TDCIs. They have a "flaw". I say flaw in that way because it's a relatively unknown issue, but also something with careful measures that is avoidable. I know of a MkIII and X-Type diesel that are on over 150k, still on the original Ford injectors and most importantly the fuel pump. It's the pump that nests all of the problems. How did the above survive? Correct servicin g & V-Power fuel; in a car that does 50+MPG I think a few quid more on fuel isn't that hard an expense. Which is why I've seen so many fail, and so many bankroll mechanics, as it seems you have Their Achilles heel is their fuel pump; it's a sensitive thing. Only three fuel filters out there filter to the levels that the original Ford one did; The Ford item obviously, then the Delphi item, but it has to be the premium quality filter, since Delphi does a cheaper economy version, and Bosch's filter. Neglect that bit of advice and any shred of curse word will go beyond the filter. That takes out, the fragile fuel pump. That breaking up goes into the injectors. That then goes back into the fuel tank. With an economy filter that of course goes into a collapsing fuel pump, and so the cycle repeats. Never running out of fuel and going to Ford/Jaguar for the parts obviously gets rid of these issues. But when an owner is faced with a £400 bill for a service on a car worth £1k tops most will take the easy option. They have flaws, yes, but ultimately, the owners kill the cars. Once the fuel pump breaks up you may as well put a match to a MkIII TDCI.
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Absolutely MkX . I'd be willing to bet all of the issues were on MkIII Mondeo TDCIs. They have a "flaw". I say flaw in that way because it's a relatively unknown issue, but also something with careful measures that is avoidable. I know of a MkIII and X-Type diesel that are on over 150k, still on the original Ford injectors and most importantly the fuel pump. It's the pump that nests all of the problems. How did the above survive? Correct servicin g & V-Power fuel; in a car that does 50+MPG I think a few quid more on fuel isn't that hard an expense. Which is why I've seen so many fail, and so many bankroll mechanics, as it seems you have Their Achilles heel is their fuel pump; it's a sensitive thing. Only three fuel filters out there filter to the levels that the original Ford one did; The Ford item obviously, then the Delphi item, but it has to be the premium quality filter, since Delphi does a cheaper economy version, and Bosch's filter. Neglect that bit of advice and any shred of curse word will go beyond the filter. That takes out, the fragile fuel pump. That breaking up goes into the injectors. That then goes back into the fuel tank. With an economy filter that of course goes into a collapsing fuel pump, and so the cycle repeats. Never running out of fuel and going to Ford/Jaguar for the parts obviously gets rid of these issues. But when an owner is faced with a £400 bill for a service on a car worth £1k tops most will take the easy option. They have flaws, yes, but ultimately, the owners kill the cars. Once the fuel pump breaks up you may as well put a match to a MkIII TDCI. I fear that the fragility you're describing is simply underlining my point. If you went out and bought a contemporary Merc, VW, Volvo, etc. you could clock up half a million miles running it on bitumen.
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Mar 24, 2018 17:53:58 GMT
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They have flaws, yes, but ultimately, the owners kill the cars. Once the fuel pump breaks up you may as well put a match to a MkIII TDCI. I fear that the fragility you're describing is simply underlining my point. If you went out and bought a contemporary Merc, VW, Volvo, etc. you could clock up half a million miles running it on bitumen.[/quote] Far from it. An 80s or 90s Merc yes. But even they have potential faults that can finish off an engine, like the injector pump driven vacuum pump on the OM60x engines. Besides that, yes the OM60xs are a solid unit and surprisingly refined for oil tech. New stuff? Far from it -Mercedes have 'Black Death' issues on the common rail cars; it can result in a new head in a few cases -BMWs of that generation had swirl flaps that broke for fun but generally were OK. The later N47s have a timing chain problem; it's at the back of the engine making it a massive pain to change and quite a few cars have seen a massive bill just outside of the warranty period; they can snap with little warning. It is said going more stringent than BMW's service intervals can get around it but the evidence is slim. The N47 chain problem even made it to Watchdog back in the day and a few BMW techs warned me to run a mile from them. -VAGs were terrible back then. The Twin cam PDs had porous heads as well as curse word injectors (most were recalled for the injectors as VAG went to Siemens as Bosch wanted too much money initially). They also had an oil pump shaft problem, which if it sheared would have you lose oil pressure and need a new engine. The single cam wasn't much better as that also had the porous head issue, but to a larger extent; it's one reason why a friend of mine has stuck with his MkV Golf GTi, much to my dismay (I wanted it!). The 1.9 PD wasn't too bad at all, but they had camshaft issues due to the camshaft having the injector lobes occupying alot of space. Thankfully, they are not "too" hard to change (I did mine in half a day) but many are misdiagnosed, with people having new turbos, EGRs, MAFs, injectors before the camshaft is actually changed. My car was one of those, but thankfully I didn't buy the bits . The recalled VAGs now have EGR, DPF and turbo issues, with even gearbox problems being reported in very unlucky cases. But I've never been one to believe a badge much. My M3, for instance, is known for inherent faults. But then people and the manufacturers do a great job of convincing Joe Public, even with Dieselgate.
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Apr 27, 2018 17:52:23 GMT
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Just seen anotther Mondeo V6 this one is making the right noises and the guy sent pics of the chassis - Its practically begging me to buy and drive it! lol
My current Focus 1.6 is a worthy steed but it's that call of a V6!! LOL
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Apr 27, 2018 18:21:19 GMT
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Love a V6, and early Mondeos are getting rare... go for it!
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Apr 28, 2018 13:10:55 GMT
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If you do go for one of these, listen out for any spitting noises from the front and rear of the engine. This can mean either an exhaust manifold gasket or more likely, a blown head gasket that will eventually leave a coolant pool of water on the deck. When i did mine, it was pushing for £400 in parts!
Despite that risk, i may be looking for one soon and there is an auto machine tempting me just now! All the very best, Geoff.
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