Dutton phaeton registering from dutton chassis plate

[Phil]

Looking at buying a kit car, and have found a dutton chassis in budget.

However it has no v6 or reg plate, but it does however have a dutton chassis plate and number.

Would I be able to register it with this, or would it require an iva?

[colnerov]

Hi, Yes and no, so a definite maybe. See this thread, so you can get your ducks in a row. -

forum.retro-rides.org/thread/212098/vin-plates-uk-when-compulsory

Colin

[Phil]

It's all as clear as mud to me, obviously it has a ID plate from mr dutton, but with no docs/ reg plate do I just fill in the v62 and leave the reg blank?

And as it wont be using the original running gear, will it even retain that id?

Or will it be on a q plate and require an iva?

I'm not overly against going for an iva or having a q plate, I'd just rather I didnt have to.

[Phil]

i called the dvla today and they were surprisingly helpful, if i buy it i can apply for a logbook with a v62, in the reg section put unknown and include a covering letter explaining whats what

[steveg]

That's interesting. If it was previously registered then the chassis number ought to correspond to a reg number.
The only worry I would have is that it might have been registered badly when built and still listed as an Escort. An Escort logbook is probably worth more then a Dutton chassis to some so the logbook could now be being used for an Escort again somewhere.

[Phil]

Mar 9, 2020 23:22:20 GMT steveg said:

That's interesting. If it was previously registered then the chassis number ought to correspond to a reg number.
The only worry I would have is that it might have been registered badly when built and still listed as an Escort. An Escort logbook is probably worth more then a Dutton chassis to some so the logbook could now be being used for an Escort again somewhere.

That was my concern too, I've sent rebuilda a pm and hes going to look into it for me.

My thoughts are, if I try and register it on it's original info first, and if I can't then build it to the iva manual and itll have to go on a q plate

[steveg]

Is it a rolling chassis with body or just a bare chassis ?
Some owners clubs are very helpful with stuff like this assuming there is one. Cars are often known and they might even have a list.
I worked out the reg number on a kit car I bought from marks left by the number plate. The old style riveted on plastic numbers leave rub marks and then with a few options you can do an HPI check.

Hope you can sort it out.

[Phil]

Rolling chassis with a body, the sellers photography skills leave a lot to be desired, I've messaged the dutton owners club via rebuilda of this parish.

[Darkspeed]

As IVA will cost you a grand + a load of extra work - you would be better off to make sure that the project that you are about to buy can be re-united with it's registration prior to purchase.Rebuilda is certainly your man as he has an extensive archive of cars/plates

Did the DVLA assistance stretch to confirming that the chassis number was in the system or was it just that you can make an application via the V62?

Guessing its an S3 or an S4 if it has a Dutton plate - as mentioned above though - having that plate is no guarantee that the car was ever registered using that number.

Fun cars

Have a picture of one of my previous cars (genuine barn find)to colour the thread. + retro towing.

[georgeb]

Maybe Rebuilda could help with this one?

[Phil]

Mar 10, 2020 17:55:57 GMT Darkspeed said:

As IVA will cost you a grand + a load of extra work - you would be better off to make sure that the project that you are about to buy can be re-united with it's registration prior to purchase.Rebuilda is certainly your man as he has an extensive archive of cars/plates

Did the DVLA assistance stretch to confirming that the chassis number was in the system or was it just that you can make an application via the V62?

Guessing its an S3 or an S4 if it has a Dutton plate - as mentioned above though - having that plate is no guarantee that the car was ever registered using that number.

Fun cars

Have a picture of one of my previous cars (genuine barn find)to colour the thread. + retro towing.

Dvla assistance stopped shy on confirming thier records unfortunately...

[mylittletony]

I thought Duttons were ripe for ID theft for other kit cars?

i.e. you might find any reg associated with the car is currently in use on another car (illegally)

Hope not though!

[Darkspeed]

Mar 11, 2020 12:48:37 GMT Phil said:

Dvla assistance stopped shy on confirming thier records unfortunately...

Which is what I figured - so the actual assistance was just to confirm that they have a form.

Personally I see little value in pursuing the purchase of a Dutton project unless you can 100% confirm the existence of an associated V5c - It really makes no financial sense otherwise as it will always end up costing far in excess of buying a project correctly registered with its documents or at least a plate you can check online.

[Darkspeed]

Mar 11, 2020 12:53:21 GMT mylittletony said:

I thought Duttons were ripe for ID theft for other kit cars?

i.e. you might find any reg associated with the car is currently in use on another car (illegally)

Hope not though!

Sad fact - That and destruction through being robbed of components to build Escorts back up again - In a strange turn of events, as steveg eludes to, an incorrectly registered Dutton - Escort Donor type - for all the wrong reasons may well be worth more now than a correctly registered one!

Have another old project picture.

[Rebuilda]

I'm on it like a tramp on chips lads. Been out of the loop for a week due to personal issues.
Here is the correct process in this case.
Provide photo of production plate via PM as requested.
Transfer ownership online if possible as less human involvement = less hassle.This may require the old V5C in which case it will have to be via V62 and snail mail.
IF you have the genuine car the DOC will back you to the hilt to get the V5 back. If as suspected it is currently being held on SORN (yes I have a reg) then there may be an issue and the DVLA will contact the last recorded keeper. If he no longer has the physical car it will be very hard for him to provide dated photographic evidence to back up any claim on the V5.
Get me those two photo's

[briang]

Guessing its an S3 or an S4 if it has a Dutton plate -

I built a series two in the early 80's. That had a Dutton plate on the chassis (Pxxxx), so it could be an earlier model.