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Jul 30, 2020 12:48:38 GMT
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I was browsing around on Copart earlier and came across this: www.copart.co.uk/lot/36694300It is listed as a Cat B and appears to have no damage. It is currently MOT'd as far as DVLA is concerned. Auto Italia magazine featured it a couple of years back and suggested it is one of the best Alfa 75s in the country :
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Jul 30, 2020 13:02:58 GMT
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One of the pictures shows that a wheel has hit something. Not a massive bit of damage, tyre seems to hold air still so can't see the damage being enough to cat B it, unless there's something underneath? Bent frame perhaps? I should be working, but a little carcheology is more interesting. Looks to be the last 75 imported into the uk too. www.facebook.com/permalink.php?id=148225491887319&story_fbid=1823285837714601
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Last Edit: Jul 30, 2020 13:11:07 GMT by Soopahfly
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Jul 30, 2020 13:13:02 GMT
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Jul 30, 2020 13:57:52 GMT
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Nothing but nothing will ever relate to understanding how the insurance market operates - from pricing policies to the writing of the small print exclusions - from inventing rules in order to avoiding admitting liability and paying out - to classifying a vehicles damaged status - the insurance market has always worked in very strange circles - Its the largest regulated but 'Make it up has we go along & sugar coat it' industry that you are ever likely to come across - WHICH IS WHY - rather than insure your classic / retro with just the cheapest insurance quote possible - its always wise to seek out the companies that offers 'Salvage Retention' of your vehicle even if it does cost another £20 - £40 per annum
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Last Edit: Jul 30, 2020 13:58:37 GMT by Deleted
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fogey
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Jul 30, 2020 14:35:46 GMT
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I have been told that a number of cars have appeared on Copart in recent months appearing to have no visible damage but have actually suffered 'flood damage' in the torrential rain we seem to be getting on a more regular basis. Soaked electrics/ecus/interiors (not just clean water but sewage etc from flooded drainage etc). . . . . but hey, don't shoot me, I'm only the messenger . . . .
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Last Edit: Jul 30, 2020 14:36:14 GMT by fogey
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duncanmartin
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Jul 30, 2020 14:38:58 GMT
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If it was flood damage, then wouldn't they have to say that on the listing? It's listed with "Side" damage and additional of minor dents/scratches.
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Jul 30, 2020 15:23:08 GMT
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Last Edit: Jul 30, 2020 15:23:38 GMT by HoTWire
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Jul 30, 2020 16:24:55 GMT
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I suppose it could be have previously been a cat c so this time they have just fully written it off (no idea how it works 😂) my money would be dubious id or flood though.
Unless the chassis is badly damaged underneath
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Last Edit: Jul 30, 2020 16:25:25 GMT by joem83
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Jul 30, 2020 19:27:33 GMT
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Various scratches and dents around car Normally means where copart have shunted cars around on a forklift! , yes happens regularly, squashed petrol pipes on many cars that have come from there!! Personally I think this business is a farce on the insurance companies part write the car off for minor damage pay out usually a pittance unless the individual fights them Then the car is sold to salvage and back on the road Win win for the insurers , it’s wrong just my humble opinion of course
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Last Edit: Jul 30, 2020 19:40:56 GMT by Mercdan68
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Jul 30, 2020 20:14:12 GMT
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I'm thinking there must be a way to get in touch with someone that actually knows why it has the cat rating it does.
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60six
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Jul 30, 2020 20:55:17 GMT
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That car was featured everywhere - I have contacted the Alfa Romeo owners club and had no response. It had the most extensive restoration in the past - Proper nut and bolt stuff. Just type the reg number into google and it had been featured many times in various mags, and was either the last or second to last alfa romeo off the production line before fiat took over.
With those features and documented condition the insurers would not of been able to argue the condition, but to be sold on condition that a certificate of destruction is signed is quite rare, especially as it is so clean.
For it to go straight to breaking only is the choice of the owner, or the estate of the owner, especially if the owner passed away in it. Sad, but the only reason I can think of.
It's stuff like this that almost forces people to do the wrong thing and to illegally change vin numbers etc.
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Last Edit: Jul 30, 2020 20:59:41 GMT by 60six
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Jul 30, 2020 21:09:05 GMT
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I was thinking it may be along those lines. I have seen perfectly repairable cars get total lossed because someone died in the incident.
Many would be surprised to know that a lot is down to the engineer's discretion so it could be all sorts of reasons. I had a guy collect his salvage retained B-class the other day tell me it was deemed cat N despite needing a new quarter and a tug on the jig. Monocoque damage = cat S for structural? Apparently not.
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Jul 30, 2020 22:13:44 GMT
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A customer of mine bought a flood damaged and written off '96 Volvo 850 estate (this WAS some time ago, the flood was that which hit Worcester in 98) A few months later, he was visited by members of the constabulary who suspected it was a ringer as it had been the old Cat B and shouldn't have been sold. The car checked out OK and it turned out that so many cars had been damaged in that flood, the insurance companies had been overwhelmed and just written off everything, sight unseen and frequently in misleading or incorrect categories. The car is still with the same owner and still going well to this day.
Steve
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This is one of the reasons why I don't touch insurance companies with a barge pole. Unless it's completely and utterly beyond your means to pay for the damage you've caused, I can't see how it's worth it to claim. The industry will get its money back somehow through raised premiums and whatnot, so it's very little different from just getting a loan to cover things.
I will say that if the brown stuff really does hit the fan, it's well worth having a known good insurance company behind you rather than the dirt cheapest one you can find. But apart from that, I find it best to view it as another tax to get on the road (that happens to be there to cover your backside if you do something very, very stupid).
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andyborris
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Have a bid and worry about it later....?
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Have a bid and worry about it later....? Why would you bid on it - the car cannot be returned to the road it must be broken up and only a registered vehicle dismantler / end of vehicle life facility can purchase the vehicle
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Ritchie
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'Spose it could make an interesting track day car. It would be a shame to break it up.
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Hmmm, that's in Newbury, tempting despite not having another Alfa to put all the bits on. If anyone is thinking of bidding without license, you can break it on their premises using www.copart.co.uk/BreakerBid4U/ I'd be happy to help anyone bag and tag the bits they want carefully just let me know a time and date and I'll book the day off and come help.
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cjj
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Jul 31, 2020 13:55:08 GMT
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I guess there's a chance that it was "extensively restored" in the past using a bit of cheeky P40, and the wheel damage has uncovered it. Hence major structural damage?
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Jul 31, 2020 14:36:17 GMT
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I guess there's a chance that it was "extensively restored" in the past using a bit of cheeky P40, and the wheel damage has uncovered it. Hence major structural damage? All done by Alfa Aid www.alfaaid.co.uk/DetailingNo idea on their work, but I doubt they'd want to put their name to it if it was full of bog.
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