braaap
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Nov 18, 2022 12:39:26 GMT
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Well how about this thing. What an absolute total pig this was & it didn’t matter which angle you viewed from, zero redeeming features Funny, title says great car design and what You do is give an example of the complete opposite (in Your opinion). In my opinion the Mercedes W210 looks worse than the scorpio, of which I only dislike the rear lights.
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maf260
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Nov 18, 2022 12:41:39 GMT
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This absolutely boils my p1ss!
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braaap
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Nov 18, 2022 12:52:36 GMT
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I always turn to the window to open it- it makes no sense for the switch to be as for away as possible from the thing it operates, it isn’t intuitive. Maybe, but on the other hand many looms going inside the door tend to break with the years ( vw t4 e.g.) and leave You with non-functional windows.
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Nov 18, 2022 13:01:04 GMT
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Early classic Minis with front-mounted distributor that would short out in heavy rain, and Morris Minor front suspension trunnions that could pop out with resulting suspension collapse, also typical Triumph snags such as crude IRS on Heralds, Spitfires, Stags with endless issues, etc.
Lancia Gammas with cambelt snapping if you had the steering on full lock from a cold start.
Chronic rust with Lancia Betas and AlfaSuds.
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stealthstylz
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Nov 18, 2022 13:06:15 GMT
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This absolutely boils my p1ss! Was just about to post this. Always annoying. Not a car but the Insignia A20 DTH is one of my favourite design cock ups. They're a pretty solid engine in every other car they put them in, apart from the Insignia as they decided to fit a rubber crush seal between the oil pickup pipe and engine block that goes brittle with age, drags air in and starves the engine of oil.
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Dez
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Nov 18, 2022 13:42:05 GMT
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I always turn to the window to open it- it makes no sense for the switch to be as for away as possible from the thing it operates, it isn’t intuitive. Maybe, but on the other hand many looms going inside the door tend to break with the years ( vw t4 e.g.) and leave You with non-functional windows. Show me a car with electric windows that doesn’t have wires going into the doors? 😉
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Dez
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Nov 18, 2022 13:49:55 GMT
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This absolutely boils my p1ss! I love that this annoys so many people 😂 If it was run down the outside of the car and exited point right, like everything else, no one would care. But cos it’s *just* off centre, people loose their sh1t about it… From a design packaging point of view, it’s perfect. If it were any further left the spare wheel wouldn’t fit flat under the boot floor. Any further right and it’s just wasting fuel tank space. The bmw designers went ‘performance over asthetics’. I actually find cars with odd little bits of asymmetry kinda appealing.
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Nov 18, 2022 13:52:18 GMT
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Oh that's easy.. The Volvo 140/240 estate. For cost reasons saloons and wagons had the same rear doors. So a Great Car Design that stood the test of time for 20 odd years with this one 'bad' flaw (well two - one on each side ) (the little downward swoop that doesn't meet up with the boot area windows)
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Nov 18, 2022 15:22:13 GMT
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Well how about this thing. What an absolute total pig this was & it didn’t matter which angle you viewed from, zero redeeming features Funny, title says great car design and give an example of the complete opposite. In my opinion the Mercedes W210 looks worse than the scorpio, of which I only dislike the rear lights. It was a great car design though. I had 3 of the previous models (one being the Cosworth option) they were fantastic cars, awesome interiors, problem was, when they made this model they bolted a sh1t looking body on it, pretty much the same car underneath & inside. So I’m sure it’s lovely to be in & drive, you’ll just be wondering why everyone on the pavement is being violently sick as as you drive past 😀
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dragon
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Nov 18, 2022 15:51:42 GMT
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[/quote]Show me a car with electric windows that doesn’t have wires going into the doors? 😉[/quote] Centre mounted low down on our Polo open air. Guess which opens first.
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norm75
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Nov 18, 2022 15:55:12 GMT
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Show me a car with electric windows that doesn’t have wires going into the doors? 😉[/quote] Centre mounted low down on our Polo open air. Guess which opens first. [/quote] where would be the electric window motor and wires going to them then?
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norm75
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Nov 18, 2022 15:58:20 GMT
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Maybe, but on the other hand many looms going inside the door tend to break with the years ( vw t4 e.g.) and leave You with non-functional windows. Show me a car with electric windows that doesn’t have wires going into the doors? 😉 get what you mean as thought the same, but do merc grossers and Lincoln continentals have wires?
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teej
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Nov 18, 2022 16:03:57 GMT
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The 6-speed gearbox on the Peugeot 306 GTi6 and Rallye. Chronically messes up the turning circle, you have to seriously consider which car parks you'll be able to manoeuvre adequately in!
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Nov 18, 2022 17:04:38 GMT
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Well how about this thing. What an absolute total pig this was & it didn’t matter which angle you viewed from, zero redeeming features Well I really like that, when they first came out when I was a kid I thought they were ugly but I think they have aged really well. I nearly bought an estate in dark metalic green but decided against it and have regretted it ever since.
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braaap
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Nov 18, 2022 17:40:03 GMT
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Maybe, but on the other hand many looms going inside the door tend to break with the years ( vw t4 e.g.) and leave You with non-functional windows. Show me a car with electric windows that doesn’t have wires going into the doors? 😉 Good point. There was me thinking with buttons anywhere else in the interior that would be one cable less to go into the door. My nonsense, sorry.
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Dez
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Nov 18, 2022 18:18:18 GMT
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Show me a car with electric windows that doesn’t have wires going into the doors? 😉 Good point. There was me thinking with buttons anywhere else in the interior that would be one cable less to go into the door. My nonsense, sorry. You may think I’m being facetious, but the long form answer is that the wire in a door loom that breaks first will ALWAYS be the largest diameter one, in normal operation (I.e. not getting trapped or caught). This is because the larger wire will always be less flexible, and work harden first. In an electric window system, that’s always the main motor power feed, which is about 30-40A, compared to the 3-5A for the switch wires. I’ve fixed tons of unop electric windows, and always test that wire first. It’s always that one, or sometimes the comparatively sized earth of they run an earth back to the shell rather than it earthing to the door shell. Its why when an electric window stops working the relay nearly always still clicks. It’s a sign the low amps circuit is still working fine. Car manufacturers know this too, I’ve seen a couple or cars where they split the wire into two smaller ones where it goes through the door loom, then join back together in the door, in an attempt to increase wire flexibility. But, it also means a car with the switches mounted elsewhere in the car is no less likely to have electric window loom failure. It’s often just a cost saving measure.
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Dez
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Nov 18, 2022 18:22:59 GMT
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Show me a car with electric windows that doesn’t have wires going into the doors? 😉 get what you mean as thought the same, but do merc grossers and Lincoln continentals have wires? Yes. Vacuum systems (of the type in classic cars anyway) don’t have the sustained torque to operate electric windows. On the continentals the central locking is vacuum, as is the seat track adjustment as they are relatively low-torque applications. but the electric window motors and seat tilt is electric as they require more umph. The Lincoln’s actually have a LOT of wires in the doors as the drivers side has a master panel that controls all 4 windows The Merc central locking is definitely vac but I’m fairly certain the windows are electric.
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bstardchild
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Nov 18, 2022 18:25:23 GMT
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Not a car but the Insignia A20 DTH is one of my favourite design cock ups. They're a pretty solid engine in every other car they put them in, apart from the Insignia as they decided to fit a rubber crush seal between the oil pickup pipe and engine block that goes brittle with age, drags air in and starves the engine of oil. Having done that job recently and whilst I'm not going to defend the design I would like to point out in a non confrontational way that the engine design is Italian In that basis it should have had a bit of spark about it in terms of performance or tone to balance things out Unfortunately it has neither
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Nov 18, 2022 19:12:28 GMT
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Superb car……..poor thread
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Fraud owners club member 1999 Jaguar s type 1993 ford escort
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Nov 18, 2022 19:37:15 GMT
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I'm going to go with one that stands out to me. The austin maxis cable change gearbox. Nothing wrong with the gearbox, or the rest of the car, it was just the cables when they stretched and needed adjusting. Rod change ones are generaly fine but they carried that reputation for years. They are basicly a big mini and a good one is a genuinely great car.
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