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Nov 23, 2007 13:47:18 GMT
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I reckon it'll be weighed in due to the size/weight of it and the use of a Hi-ab. This is definitely getting out of hand, the question is, what can you really do to stop a Hi-ab? If you steal goods or handle stolen goods worth more than £1000 you should be hanged. Under £1000, you should be flogged and spend 10 years in jail. I guarantee that after you'd hung one scrapyard owner and a couple dozen thieves the problem would disappear.
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1995 Range Rover 4.0 1995 BMW 320i Saloon 1989 BMW 325i Touring 1991 Mercedes 300TE-24 1991 Mercedes 190e 1970 Sunbeam Imp Sport
1966 Valiant 200 Custom 1964 Ford Fairlane 500 Station Wagon
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Agreed - bring back some authority... punish the curse word.
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Dec 26, 2007 20:52:53 GMT
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Don't think it was ever recovered, unfortunately
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I know this was AAAGES ago now.. but i thought i'd pop by and say "no" it was never recovered. The police weren't interested in the slightest even tho there was CCTV footage of it being taken. I found my bass tube being sold on EBAY in Briton Ferry. (matched serial numbers) police did nothing. Scrap prices are on the UP again.. so be careful out there! My stomach still went over when i saw the pic of my Coupe in this thread. Daft to get so attached.. but i loved that car.
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fanboy
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I know this was AAAGES ago now.. but I thought i'd pop by and say "no" it was never recovered. The police weren't interested in the slightest even tho there was CCTV footage of it being taken. I found my bass tube being sold on EBAY in Briton Ferry. (matched serial numbers) police did nothing. Scrap prices are on the UP again.. so be careful out there! My stomach still went over when I saw the pic of my Coupe in this thread. Daft to get so attached.. but I loved that car. ive got a 825 there such an underrated car lovely to drive, smooth fast and looked great i need to get rid of mine (cry) three cars ill be a little to much for a sixteen year old when a volvo 1.4 rover 2.5 v6 and the merc 3.2 soon the be 6.3 a bit over the top
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I refuse to answer that question on the basis that i do not know the answer
"if in doubt flat out"
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I don't think thats daft, I suppose thats what makes us enthusiasts.
I had a Rover 825 Turbo Diesel and in many ways it was the nicest car I had ever owned and I do miss it and would like another one day.
I do think that the police should be more pro-active with investigating scrap yards. If it is too hard to catch the thieves then try to cut off their cash supply. Most people know where the more dubious scrap yards are and I think a few arrests would send out a message. Then again it is probably easier said than done.
The police have specialists who deal with 'antique crime'. I wonder if they could set up a similar one for classic car crimes!?
Peter.
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Well, i think something needs to be done. They didn't even go and look at the CCTV footage. I had to do that myself, then get the bit that showed the vehicle being taken copied then take that to them. I told them that you can see the 2 men clearly on the footage and the reg number of the truck. They said "I very much doubt there's a legitimate plate on the truck and we don't have the man hours to track down the 2 men"
They really weren't interested in the slightest. There are cameras everywhere around the area. They could have been tracked. Not one police officer cared. That's what hurt more than anything. They let them get away with it. A lesser crime that simply didn't matter. Still to this day makes me angry. When i hear rag and bone men shouting round the streets now my blood boils. Even more so when i caught one of then in my back yard trying to grab a couple of old cast iron gates.
They are out of control and i think there should be operators licenses for ALL involved with scrap metal.
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Unfortunately with the current cuts that are going ahead, car crime is going to be even lower down the agenda.
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1980 Renault 14TL (LHD) 1998 Renault Megane Scenic RT
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Apr 10, 2011 12:39:03 GMT
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The police weren't interested in the slightest even tho there was CCTV footage of it being taken.
I found my bass tube being sold on EBAY in Briton Ferry. (matched serial numbers) police did nothing.
It's not just car crime there not intrested in.All crime seems to get the same responce from them round here.Waste of time and money.Sack them all and save loads of money.
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crazymonkey
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Apr 10, 2011 15:06:02 GMT
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there ought to be a scheme set up where if the victim can prove that the police were negligent in doing their duties which resulted in the non-recovery of the ehicle then they should be forced to pay some sort of compensation.
I know it would be hard to set up and there would be loopholes etc but it really does make you want to go down the cop shop, start shouting. Lets face it, they're more than happy to give out fines and points for doing 10mph over the speed limit but when it comes to stolen cars they don't give a toss. Sorry but its true in most cases.
my old neighbour had their windscreen stolen, wheels stolen and car covered in horse manure. 3 separate occasions, all 3 occasions police were called, all 3 occasions cops said "tough luck". yet a complaint was made against them for something and the cops were on the doorstep within an hour. Safe to say she didnt like cops, the last one we saw come near her, ran off scared after she told him to sling his hook ;D and one of my other neighbours had their fiesta stolen, found it himself a few miles away on its roof when around the area, cops didnt give a damn.
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whoever said dogs were man's best friend....obviously never heard of cable ties
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Rob M
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Apr 10, 2011 15:09:31 GMT
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Well, I think something needs to be done. They didn't even go and look at the CCTV footage. I had to do that myself, then get the bit that showed the vehicle being taken copied then take that to them. I told them that you can see the 2 men clearly on the footage and the reg number of the truck. They said "I very much doubt there's a legitimate plate on the truck and we don't have the man hours to track down the 2 men" They really weren't interested in the slightest. There are cameras everywhere around the area. They could have been tracked. Not one police officer cared. That's what hurt more than anything. They let them get away with it. A lesser crime that simply didn't matter. Still to this day makes me angry. When I hear rag and bone men shouting round the streets now my blood boils. Even more so when I caught one of then in my back yard trying to grab a couple of old cast iron gates. They are out of control and I think there should be operators licenses for ALL involved with scrap metal. I have to, very respectfully, say that you let the police get away with it!! You had CCTV footage of a crime being committed, full captures of the people involved in the crime, you, consequently, had enough of a lever to force the police to do something. Did you not get in touch with your local newspaper? Did you not contact the local BBC/ITV news programmes? Did you not contact ANY of them and point out that your local MP was also being contacted and vice versa, thus playing both off against each other? The last thing the Police need is negative publicity, a force that complains that it doesnt have the resources to investigate a vehicle theft, even though you have given them a vehicle AND moving pictures of the scumbags carrying out the theft is going to find it very tough to justify their position under the scrutiny of the press/media MP intervention. Sorry, you have let the police get away with massaging a statistic ( you) to ensure their "performance measurements" wouldnt be compromised by the theft of "an old car" which they couldnt give a flying f*ck about anyway. If things are to change, Joe Public needs to wise up, the Police are NOT always your friend when you are in need!
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speedy88
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Apr 12, 2011 10:30:36 GMT
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The police were very helpful even though they couldn't find anyone in regards to my car getting broken into the other week. It does depend heavily on where you live of course but alas it will never change because of the tiny budgets governments allow (even before the recession). It might seem like they don't care, but you've got to think about all the other people they had to let down that day. If you're going to hate anyone, hate the government for paying pittence and do something about it (letters, marches).
And if you can't be arsed to do that, don't bother moaning. However, I do know the frustration you feel.
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Apr 12, 2011 12:28:29 GMT
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The police were very helpful even though they couldn't find anyone in regards to my car getting broken into the other week. It does depend heavily on where you live of course but alas it will never change because of the tiny budgets governments allow (even before the recession). It might seem like they don't care, but you've got to think about all the other people they had to let down that day. If you're going to hate anyone, hate the government for paying pittence and do something about it (letters, marches). And if you can't be arsed to do that, don't bother moaning. However, I do know the frustration you feel. I do see your point of view, however,I don't think for one moment that the Police are paid a pittance. Nurses and firemen may well be but not the Police. The theft of the Rover was recorded by CCTV, considering we are the most recorded nation ( allegedly) on Earth, it makes a total waste of time having ANY CCTV if the police don't have the resources to act upon information gained from them. Ok, "it was only a car and its not like somebody died or anything.." but it was theft. There is no possibility that the thieves were just cutting their teeth on this crime, they are probably career criminals and are known to the Police. They may well be travellers and the police, from my experience, wont go onto their sites to arrest on what they consider to be petty crime, primarilly because A) they are scared to and B) it would allow the travellers to play the victimised/racist card. Now thats just my opinion, the resourcing could be alleviated if we wernt paying chief constables, commisioners, deputies etc, etc a bloody fortune and leaving more money for recruitment. Thats all neither here nor there tho, the bottom line is that thieves were filmed in the act of stealing a car and the police were not interested in persuing it. That leaves a victim, an insurance payout and loaded insurance policies for the rest of us! You only have to see how many cars have been reported stolen on this one site to see that there is a big problem, times that by all those cars stolen that don't make the forum and all those cars not retro but old enough for nobody to care and you have all the reasons why we are now paying through the nose for car insurance. Ultimately,because the Police didnt even attempt to chase it up the owner of the Rover wasnt the only one to suffer, we all have.
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Apr 12, 2011 13:29:25 GMT
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I do see your point of view, however,I don't think for one moment that the Police are paid a pittance. Nurses and firemen may well be but not the Police. Utter Pish! Try Googling average salaries before making an assumption like that.....
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Oh Lord, Won't you buy me a Vauxhall Chevette....? Pretty please? I can't find any!!!!
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speedy88
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Apr 12, 2011 13:30:44 GMT
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Agreed. But again they may be guilty of being rude but they know it's never going to go anywhere, even if they took the guys to court due to the way evidence works. That's why it's not worth yours or their time.
Sure you may inconvienience the blighters but the cops would rather hit them hard when they have hard evidence, something they would find harder to do if there was a harrassment order.
Sorry, I didn't really want to turn this topic into a discussion, I hope to look back on these days as bad for car crime but for future years to have better resources.
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Rob M
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Apr 12, 2011 14:02:42 GMT
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I do see your point of view, however,I don't think for one moment that the Police are paid a pittance. Nurses and firemen may well be but not the Police. Utter Pish! Try Googling average salaries before making an assumption like that..... I did. www.police-information.co.uk/policepay.htm#constables£23,000 starter wage is a "pittance?" Try slogging your a r s e off in a factory on a 5 day week for considerably less.
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Rob M
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Apr 12, 2011 14:08:52 GMT
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Agreed. But again they may be guilty of being rude but they know it's never going to go anywhere, even if they took the guys to court due to the way evidence works. That's why it's not worth yours or their time. Sure you may inconvienience the blighters but the cops would rather hit them hard when they have hard evidence, something they would find harder to do if there was a harrassment order. Sorry, I didn't really want to turn this topic into a discussion, I hope to look back on these days as bad for car crime but for future years to have better resources. I think it was inevitable that it would become a discussion because people are sick to death of being victims of crime. Its no bad think to vent your spleen ( just not on this forum)it clears the cobwebs
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Apr 12, 2011 14:31:51 GMT
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I do... but thats beside the point... try getting the blame for everything, try having abuse hurled at you, being spat at regularly, threatned almost daily, hated by those you seek to protect.... Reckon that poor copper in NI that was recently blown up should have been paid £14000 a year? or what about the PC who was shot by Raul Moat and will never actually see his family again? Sorry for the thread hijack, but throw away comments like that thoroughly get my goat.... People only ever notice the bad stuff....... Say the Police actually had pursued the case above, knowing they would struggle to get a conviction, how many people do you think would moan about them not using their resources properly, not securing convictions elsewhere..... I work beside folks who sit at a desk all day, not doing very much and earning a DAMN site more than your average copper...... Apologies to the OP again..... I have also been the victim of traveller's too.... with no result..... Frustrating, very frustrating... www.mysalary.co.uk/average-salary/Nurse_Practitioner_3397ww2.prospects.ac.uk/p/types_of_job/firefighter_salary.jsp
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Oh Lord, Won't you buy me a Vauxhall Chevette....? Pretty please? I can't find any!!!!
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Rob M
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Apr 12, 2011 15:39:52 GMT
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Look, I fully appreciate that the police are subject to all kinds of abuse and issues in their day to day work but all that is besides the point! Its not the police who decide whether they can get a prosecution, its the CPS. This wasnt a crime without witnesses, bloody hell, A CCTV camera captured the people carrying it out!! If that isnt enough evidence what the hell is? The police cannot cherry pick what they investigate or don't, I'm fully aware that much crime reported only ellicits a crime number for insurance purposes BUT if you have a case like this where the people commiting the crime could be identified then, surely, the Police MUST act? CCTV is used all the time to catch and convict offenders , what was so different about this case? That was the whole point of my original post, short of actually bringing the b'stards to the station and handing them over, what more help in capturing them could the police have been given? If the consensus is that they are under resourced and overworked, fine, lets not bother reporting this type of crime to them, we know they wont be actively looking. Mind you, if you catch somebody snatching your car and you kick seven bags of s*it out of them make sure you don't do it infront of a CCTV camera because, as sure as eggs are eggs, they will use the evidence to prosecute you. What a perverse world we live in, eh?
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The Victims Charter is a good starting point to get satisfaction - www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ERORecords/HO/421/2/vicexpt.htmEvery crime should be investigated and remember these days it is all about detections. I am surprised this incident wasn`t more thoroughly investigated. For those who have never been a Police Officer don`t complain about the wages. If you have dealt with the things I have over the years then you have earned every penny of it. The Police are an easy target but try running a "decent" society without them. Sorry for the loss of the car as it looked a good one. Since I am now retired I can say things like "I hope the traveller bastards burn in hell" especially the ones who last week nicked my ornamental gate from the driveway.
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