Engine swap paperwork?

[Retro_Tony]

There was a thread on here recently about needing written evidence like reciepts and engineers reports when an engine swap has been done. I can't find the thread so i'll apologise in advance if i'm going over something thats already been covered.

I've had a look on the dvla site and from what i can see this only applies if your changing the engine number and the cylinder capacity. If i'm changing the engine but the capacity is unchanged, do i still need to supply written evidence or do i just fill in the new engine number on the V5 and post as i would have done previously?

Here's a cool looking van from last years classic car show at the NEC

[1900sr]

I sent two off a couple of months back, just with engine number swaps and they came back fine.

[`state]

Ive done loads of engine swops in recent years,maily c20xe conversions and have never had any bother.
Think you only need the paperwork if your going down in cc,say a 2.0 to a 1.4 as the tax bracket will be lower.

[Retro_Tony]

If you've had yours back ok i should be alright then, fingers crossed. I've done a few swaps in tha past myself without any problems with the paperwork. I'm pretty sure these regulations are a recent addition though, hence the thread on it here recently.

[fogey]

Quote from the DVLA website:

Change to engine and cylinder capacity (engine size)

DVLA will need written evidence of any changes to engine number and cylinder capacity (cc). Written evidence can be:

a receipt for the replacement engine
written evidence from the manufacturer
an inspection report provided for insurance purposes
written confirmation on headed paper from a garage if the change in engine size took place before you bought the vehicle

End quote

It does indeed say 'engine number AND cylinder capacity' . . .

See www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/ChangesToYourRegistrationCertificate/DG_4022054

[IDY]

written evidence from the manufacturer

I wonder if that means that they would be happy with a letter from the engine manufacturer confirming that engine No ABCDE123456789 left the factory with a cylinder capacity of xxxxCC ?

[hongkongphooey]

I've not got my car back on the road yet because of this stupid f'ing rule and it's lack of clarity
I'd love to know exactly what 'written evidence from the manufacturer' means!
I presented 'a receipt for the replacement engine' to them aswell but it has to be on headed paper apparently! wtf!

Here's the original thread.. retrorides.proboards86.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=46720&page=5

[popuptoaster]

probably easiest and fastest to just pay for an engineers report.

[hongkongphooey]

Nov 25, 2008 17:35:47 GMT popuptoaster said:

probably easiest and fastest to just pay for an engineers report.

Is there a specific company you'd recommend for this?

[Lankytim]

I thought you only needed an inspection if the new engine would place the car in a lower tax bracket, if the car ends up in a higher tax bracket they just take your word for it.

[Lopez]

Nov 25, 2008 17:35:47 GMT popuptoaster said:

probably easiest and fastest to just pay for an engineers report.

You reckon? I would have thought

"a receipt for the replacement engine"

would be a lot less hassle, not to mention cheaper!

[hongkongphooey]

Nov 25, 2008 18:38:48 GMT Lopez said:

Nov 25, 2008 17:35:47 GMT popuptoaster said:

probably easiest and fastest to just pay for an engineers report.

You reckon? I would have thought

"a receipt for the replacement engine"

would be a lot less hassle, not to mention cheaper!

Yeah but it has to be written on gold leaf with a dodo quill pen before they'll accept it.

[popuptoaster]

Nov 25, 2008 18:21:58 GMT hongkongphooey said:

Nov 25, 2008 17:35:47 GMT popuptoaster said:

probably easiest and fastest to just pay for an engineers report.

Is there a specific company you'd recommend for this?

i dunno sorry, i get mine done at a local garage by a mate of me dads.

[popuptoaster]

Nov 25, 2008 18:38:48 GMT Lopez said:

Nov 25, 2008 17:35:47 GMT popuptoaster said:

probably easiest and fastest to just pay for an engineers report.

You reckon? I would have thought

"a receipt for the replacement engine"

would be a lot less hassle, not to mention cheaper!

they wont accept your mate writing

"sold, one V12 engine, no. eleventyninetytwenty for 25p to mr joe bloggs"

in pencil on the back of a fag packet, when they say receipt they mean proper headed one from a VAT registered company or they get shirty about it and either reject it or take months to sort it.

[bodieanddoyle]

who does an engineers report then? I have a technicians diploma in motor vehicle engineering, so I should be able to write then myself
if your replacing an engine- ie. ones beyond economic repair and you do a like for like replacement then the dvla can't do a thing I wouldn't have thought

[Lopez]

popuptoaster said:

they wont accept your mate writing

"sold, one V12 engine, no. eleventyninetytwenty for 25p to mr joe bloggs"

in pencil on the back of a fag packet, when they say receipt they mean proper headed one from a VAT registered company or they get shirty about it and either reject it or take months to sort it.

Who said anything about a mate scribbling on a fag packet? A proper printed receipt will do just fine. When I did my last swap I just made a DIY receipt on our company paper.

[popuptoaster]

Nov 26, 2008 13:20:01 GMT Lopez said:

popuptoaster said:

they wont accept your mate writing

"sold, one V12 engine, no. eleventyninetytwenty for 25p to mr joe bloggs"

in pencil on the back of a fag packet, when they say receipt they mean proper headed one from a VAT registered company or they get shirty about it and either reject it or take months to sort it.

Who said anything about a mate scribbling on a fag packet? A proper printed receipt will do just fine. When I did my last swap I just made a DIY receipt on our company paper.

not everyone has that luxury, or can put up with the bother if the DVLA decide to check up, plus an engineers report sometimes comes in handy for your insurance or if yoyu decide to sell the car as well so its not wasted expense.

[rob0r]

I'm currently worried about this. My BMW E21 has just jumped from a 4cyl 1.8 to a 6cyl 2.5. I got the engine from a car I bought privately (no reciept) so I'm wondering if I will have to stump for an engineers report (anyone know how much this will likely to be?) or get a reciept made up somewhere...

[fredtransit]

Guys, just tell the DVLA what you want them to know. Fill out the V5 and if they ask, tell them more. End of. The DVLA are on the 'need to know' list as far as I am concerned.... If you offer them a whole file of papers, they may well just ask for more anyway, so give em what they ask for, when they ask for it. Just fill out the V5, and send it off. If you can't afford the reports or whatever, just leave the engine CC as it is, and make sure your insurance company is kept informed.

[Nathan]

flakes, this means I now need to find someone who will look at my engine BUGGGERRRRRR!!!!